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    Iraqi leaders want US trainers but reject immunity

    BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraqi leaders said Tuesday that they need U.S. military trainers to stay beyond a year-end deadline for American forces to leave but that the troops should not be granted immunity from prosecution.

    The late evening announcement was significant in that the Iraqi leaders were clear on the need for further help. But it raised questions about the feasibility of ironing out an agreement when the immunity of American troops remains such a contentious issue.

    "The head of the political blocs met today ... to discuss the training of Iraqi forces with the help of the American side," said Deputy Prime Minister Roz Nouri Shawez in a statement after the meeting held at the home of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.

    "The leaders agreed on the need to train the Iraqi forces and to complete equipping the force as soon as possible," he said, flanked by some of the main Iraqi political leaders.

    But Shawez said the blocs did not want to give troops immunity, as has been demanded by the U.S.

    "The heads of blocs agreed on the necessity of not granting the immunity," he said, adding that the training should occur only on Iraqi bases.

    Immunity from prosecution is a key issue for the Pentagon, which would not risk American forces ending up in an Iraqi court. Last August, the then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, said the U.S. would only consider an immunity deal if it were passed by the Iraqi parliament.

    But for Iraqis who are trying to regain their sovereignty, the immunity issue is equally contentious.

    The political coalition loyal to anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr objected to any American presence.

    "From the first meeting as a Sadrist Trend we showed our absolute rejection to keeping of the forces whether it is as trainers or others, whether it is with immunity or without immunity, and this rejection is fixed forever," said Sadrist Bahaa al-Araji.

    A U.S. Embassy official speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation said the embassy was "reviewing the statement."

    The official said the embassy would "talk with leaders on what this means specifically."

    Iraqi political leaders have been wrestling for months with whether to ask some American forces to stay past their Dec. 31 departure date. There are currently about 43,500 American troops in the country. Under a 2008 security agreement, all are required to leave by the end of this year.

    Privately, Iraqi and American leaders acknowledge that Iraqis still need help with certain tasks such as defending their borders and airspace. But publicly, most Iraqi leaders except for the Kurds have tried to distance themselves from any request for American help since it is an unpopular stand in a country that has gone through nearly nine years of warfare.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who attended the meeting, has been adamant that he would only support having an American military presence in the country into next year if he had the support of a wide swath of the Iraqi political community, indicating the risk to his standing should he try to pursue the issue alone.

    Iraqi leaders announced back in August that they were opening talks with the United States on having some sort of training presence in the country past this year. But there has been little traction since then as the U.S. military continues to draw down its forces.

    Shawez did not mention in his statement how many trainers might be needed, for how long they would stay or what they would do. Government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the number of trainers would be decided according to Iraqi needs.

    The Obama administration is considering 3,000 to 5,000 troops for an Iraqi training mission, according to officials in Washington familiar with the discussions. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

    ___

    Associated Press writer Mazin Yahya contributed to this report.

     

    32 comments

    • Huifa  •  7 mths ago
      Since the US Army will not stay without immunity, I suppose this a very polite way to tell the Americans that they must leave by the end of the year.
      • GaryS 7 mths ago
        We were leaving anyway, why bother.
    • Mladen  •  7 mths ago
      It's like asking not-so-popular relatives after dinner: "Do you want a coffee?"
    • Silly Walk  •  7 mths ago
      welll the knox bimbo got it... We in the us think it is ok to kill foreigners.
    • Injun  •  7 mths ago
      Thanks but no thanks. Those people are total morons. Abandon them now and cut them off.
    • IntellectualDementia  •  7 mths ago
      I can see why they wouldn't want to grant immunity. it'd be like the US agreeing to let dominick strauss kahn go freeif he waltzed into the white house and started raping every secretary in sight.

      maybe we should leave for a little while and see how the average iraqi citizen feels when their borders get raided and looting breaks out. sometimes you have to let the children out of the nest for awhile. they'll come crawling back
    • A Ashtar  •  7 mths ago
      No! Stick with the Bush timetable and bring them home on time. No more extensions; no more trrops getting killed in Iraq.
    • Bwana  •  7 mths ago
      I apolgize for my previous comments regarding the U.S.E. - why should it be called the United States of Earth when it can, or should, be simply be called "TEXAS".
    • kxbpy  •  7 mths ago
      No immunity then no presence - end of discussion!
    • resident  •  7 mths ago
      QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA is doing REBECCA SANTANA.
    • Bwana  •  7 mths ago
      Americans should leave Iraq and Afghanistan now. If these so-called middle-east people cannot control their so-called civilized nations in a decent manner by themselves, that's their problem. Whatever happend to the philosophy of fighting a war, planting the winner's flag, and the winner taking over - everything? One can, I assume, only long for the good old days.

      Trust me when I say that civilization will some day revert to the old ways of colonialization and the survival of the fittest nation(s) - and then there will be only one nation; the United States of Earth (the U.S.E) and, hopefully, either I or someone exactly like me ( a good and fair-minded ol' boy or gal from the former state of Texas) will be King.

      Obviously, I'm kidding - as in joking; but, am I really too far off base, if hope is eternal?
      • Ēqualizer 7 mths ago
        Sigh....
        Well, as far as fighting a war and planting a winner's flag is concerned, I believe that such an act is a violation of international law. Albeit, however, I cannot disagree with your idea.

        As far as a United States of Earth is concerned, I'm a little foggy as to how that will happen when culturally speaking the people of Earth are very diversified. As well, I'm a little fearful of a one world government. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, I'm just saying I believe our species has a LONG way to go before something like that would be accepted.
      • GaryS 7 mths ago
        Pax-Americana
    • homee ohmy  •  7 mths ago
      get them all out now and let them go to hell... we have lost enough over their bodies and for naught....
    • VietVet 1968  •  7 mths ago
      It is time for Iraq to start paying the US to train them. If not us then they will have to pay somebody else.
    • Randy  •  7 mths ago
      I have no problem with the US leaving that stink-hole...
    • words4world  •  7 mths ago
      Well, a compromise is in order. How about a partial immunity. By that I mean, that the troops cannot be tried under Islamic law or religious law and that they cannot be sentenced to death.
      • A REALIST 7 mths ago
        No Immunity - No US troops
      • GaryS 7 mths ago
        Total immunity from any Arabic court, but if found to be in violation of the UMCJ, then they should stand trial here.
    • Phillip S  •  7 mths ago
      I think we have trained the middle east much more than we should have.We will regret it in the future.Democracy and human rights are beyond their comprehencion.The quran is their daily existance.Nothing else can or would be considered.The sooner we recognize that the middle east is a waste of any consideration.The better off we will be.The British tried to civilize these countrys for centurys,I hope it does'nt take us as long.
    • Red White and So Blue  •  7 mths ago
      Hockey Puck that Shiite! No way! See ya; lol with the upcoming Iranian invasion.
    • Ēqualizer  •  7 mths ago
      Here's a thought. How about instead we bring everyone home and, if they still want us to train them, then THEY can fly to a neutral location (outside of Iraq and America) to receive their training. Then they don't have to worry about immunity and we don't have to worry about our troops staying in a nation where they are not wanted.
    • surfeng_1  •  7 mths ago
      Scew them get our troops out and let mohamed sort them out. They are no good any way and why did bush get us in this mess. Come on home guys and leave that sand pile to those ignorant no good pukes.
      • KD 7 mths ago
        "Scew them get our troops out and let mohamed sort them out." we completely destroyed their country and that's what you say to them? at least should we apologize for invading their country and killed more than 100K of their people without any legal authorization what so ever (if you believe in Bush, he believes he acted legally)
        what if the Russian or Chinese do the same thing to us? you sound very arrogant.
    • Naz  •  7 mths ago
      Immunity?! Why? Are they like prophet or something? Give me a break.
    • A REALIST  •  7 mths ago
      GAME OVER. They must be insane to think that we would leave our troops over there to get chummed up charges brought upon them to stand trial in their corrupt judicial system. REMEMBER - We have seen how you handle your prisoners; rapes, beatings, starving and murders. I say USA - Let's Roll Out. Let the chips fall where they may and do not come back to help when countries from all sides come in. No immunity. (Shaking my head)
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