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    Keeping NASA's Next Space Telescope Under Control: Q&A with Scott Willoughby

    NASA's next generation James Webb Space Telescope is an ambitious infrared observatory that is expected to yield exciting results about the universe, but in recent years, the project's swelling budget has been a major hurdle.

    Pegged as the successor to the nearly 22-year-old Hubble Space Telescope, the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) will probe the most distant reaches of the universe with its sensitive infrared instruments.

    The $8.8 billion observatory has become synonymous with cost overruns, and last summer, House appropriators recommended scrapping the project entirely. But JWST survived, and in November, President Barack Obama granted NASA $17.8 billion for the 2012 fiscal year, which included full funding for the observatory.

    Still, the project remains a source of contention, and critics claim that JWST is tying up valuable funds from other worthy science missions. Obama's proposed 2013 budget for NASA revealed earlier this week, for example, includes deep cuts to planetary science missions to help pay for JWST. [Photos: Building the James Webb Space Telescope]

    SPACE.com recently caught up with Scott Willoughby, JWST program manager at Northrop Grumman Aerospace Systems (the company under contract to design the telescope), to talk about the progress being made, the next major milestones, and how they got past wrestling with the big, bad budget:

    SPACE.com: When funding for JWST was secured for 2012, that must have been a huge relief.  Do you consider that a big victory for the project?

    Scott Willoughby: It's been really good. Being fully funded at that level enabled us to get aggressive and really try to retire the last bit of our engineering risk. We want to get that done as soon as possible and start putting hardware on the floor. We've been able to pull the spacecraft's CDR (Critical Design Review) up by 10 months, the mirrors are done, and those are just a few examples. There were a number of things in that budget profile that got approved, and we're looking much better in 2012.

    SPACE.com: All the back and forth that went on with funding for JWST, how did that affect your work? And when the money for 2012 was approved, what was your message for your team?

    Willoughby: The message was always: let's not wait for a re-plan to continue working. We had certain things that we slowed down, but we worked to complete parts so that once we got the extra money, we were able to continue and not lose time. We were prepared, so when the money came through, that enabled us to accelerate things because now we're able to fill in some of the shallow areas. We're still looking at October 2018 for launch, and this increases our confidence in that launch date. [Giant Space Telescopes of the Future (Infographic)]

    SPACE.com: When President Obama signed those figures into law, it must have been a boost for the entire team.

    Willoughby: It's a huge morale boost. Full funding was an indication of support for the program. Over the summer, the outcry from the public was incredible and very positive, from the letter written by 30-something Nobel Laureates to the Facebook page set up to save JWST. Social media gave people the ability to communicate that they felt this wasn't just important for astrophysics, but important for the future of science and leadership.

    This is a program that we want to see succeed, not fail, so for the team working on it, even though you're hearing people complain about your program — whether it's cost overruns or schedule — but all the meanwhile you're coming in to work and working hard. But to see the public come out and support the program like that was really positive.  

    SPACE.com: What are some of the major challenges in designing this observatory?

    Willoughby: Webb does two things kind of different, and one thing harder, than Hubble. One major difference is that it's looking in the infrared, so we're finding this light that's both very faint and in the infrared spectrum. To get this information, we had to be bigger and colder than Hubble. That drove a lot of technological challenges.

    We also had to come up with a design that is big but stowable, so we had to make segmented optics that are also adaptable to create the shape they need to in orbit. We needed to have a large segmented mirror that we could command. [Video: Coating the James Webb Space Telescope]

    All 18 of those mirror segments have now completed their testing — the last mirror was done in December, and that was impressive. It's taken years to polish these things and get them through two rounds of testing to get the prescription right, so that was one of the major technological leaps.

    Webb was envisioned to do something that has never been done before. We're coming at it from the sense that science cannot be constrained by engineering limits. We want to get the innovators out there to make the thing that's going to do it. If science constrained itself by what we're capable of today, then we'd be done. We'd never be able to move to that next step.

    SPACE.com: JWST underwent a big re-plan effort to create a more sound schedule and a more realistic budget for the program. What kinds of adjustments were made to make sure that things don't get out of hand again?

    Willoughby: We segmented the re-plan by fiscal year, based on the profile that NASA put forward for the program. One of the most fundamental things is to have a reserve and to anticipate what I call known unknowns. We wanted to build in margin into the schedule so we could make high confidence estimates. And that's what we did in the re-plan. We phased the schedule, phased the cost margin into the system so that we could execute and make the year's commitments. With each phase, we looked at each year, and showed the play in the out years and looked at what we need.

    The best testament to that is, in the last 13 months, we as a program — NASA and myself on behalf of Northrop — we committed to doing these major milestones and we finished them all.   

    SPACE.com: Do you now feel increased pressure to meet the objectives that have been laid out?

    Willoughby: There's always pressure to perform, from the managers to the engineers to the scientists. When I went back to the team at the end of the year, I said, 'Folks, there are no more excuses. We must succeed.' And that's not anything other than acknowledging that we put that commitment forward. We have to be very good stewards of the public's money.

    When you see that come together and the program gets funded for the next year, I won't say it's because of that, but if we had not met our milestones in 2011, it probably would have been a much tougher decision to fully fund us for the next year.

    SPACE.com: How do you respond to critics of JWST who say that funding for the project comes at the expense of other science missions?

    Willoughby: The person who I thought said it best is Senator (Barbara) Mikulski at an event we did at the Maryland Science Center. No matter what, people are competing for what they want to do. That's going to go on forever. Between the government and the head of NASA, they basically came together and said: James Webb is a must-have for its importance to science and technology. They said this is something that must be done, so now it's about doing that as best as we can and as cost-effectively as we can.

    There's no doubt that this is a debate, but the leadership at the most senior levels said this is what we need to do. We've been given a plan and we're committed to doing this. What should be satisfying to everyone is that when we succeed on that, everyone benefits from a great mission.

    You can follow SPACE.com staff writer Denise Chow on Twitter @denisechow. Follow SPACE.com for the latest in space science and exploration news on Twitter @Spacedotcom and on Facebook.

     

    22 comments

    • William  •  3 mths ago
      I wish I could find my copy of Arthur C. Clarke's "Earthlight," because somewhere in its pages there's a description of a giant telescope that uses a segmented hexagonal mirror like the Webb's primary mirror. Not a bad technological forecast for an SF novel written in the Fifties.
      • bigfoot 3 mths ago
        Did Clarke mention the 100 percent cost over run? The big lie here is saying they could do it for 8.8 billion when they knew they would just come back later and get the other half of the money. Thats the real science fiction!
      • William 3 mths ago
        Bigmouth, why would you expect a book written over a half century ago to say something about modern cost overruns? Also, if you knew what you were talking about you would realize that your "big lie" claim is nonsense. Cost overruns happen for different reasons; with the Webb they happen because this is a demanding piece of innovative technology, and testing to make sure
        it will work eats up time and money.
      • Han.andSolo 3 mths ago
        Although I don't know about the cost of this "segmenting" and if it is a major part of the cost overruns I have a feeling that they could have saved a few billion by making a special fairing with a 20% larger diameter in which the mirror would fit in whole.
    • magicpat38  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 mths ago
      The project is sound, but what a bunch of double talk... I understand what he's saying, but it seems like an awkward way of putting things. I guess engineers & politicians learn if they talk that way, we'll think they're so far above our heads that we can't comprehend, and not bug them.
      • bigfoot 3 mths ago
        Just what I thought. A bunch of bureaucratic double speak.
      • Han.andSolo 3 mths ago
        NO SPECIFICS of any reasons for the cost overruns, just bureaucratic chatter.

        Which special technology development was SO much more difficult than estimated ? Was it deploying and adjusting the segmented mirror ?
      • michael 3 mths ago
        We need to fire the lot and start over. The guys Kennedy hired got us to the moon from zero in less than 7 years, these guys cannot find the bathroom light switch if you put a spotlight on it and a big sign.
    • Bill  •  3 mths ago
      So when they can finally peer back far enough to see conclusive evidence of the Big Bang, what will all the creationists say? I mean, besides going, "La-la-la, I can't hear you!" with their fingers stuck in their ears.
      • Nern 3 mths ago
        They'll say that the big bang couldn't happen because the universe is only 6000 years old. And they'll spout off some proof from their good book. And if you try to argue against that book, they'll know you are wrong because it's their god's word vs. yours (people didn't write it... really, it says so itself). And don't try to use a logical argument... their blind faith is all that matters to them, since that is what their god requires. And if you try to argue against their faith, they'll say you have just as much faith in science, since scientists are all a bunch of flip-floppers that change their beliefs daily and have no solid proof of anything since all they ever do is come up with theories (and theories are not FACT!).

        At this point, you could give them a detailed explanation of the scientific method, and point out how it differs from religious belief, but they will just ignore you (either because it makes their heads hurt, or because they need to to maintain their faith). Regardless, you will end up in a circular argument or an argument that will abruptly end.
      • Don M 3 mths ago
        we already can. it's called the CMBR and we've known about it since the 60's. they just ignore that too.
      • Bill 3 mths ago
        CMBR is not really conclusive since it's speculated to only be *residue* of the Big Bang. I'm talking about looking back far enough to see the actual event itself.
    • Mushroom  •  3 mths ago
      Space exploration is a must. We know that the real threat to earth by asteroids exist. What are we doing to internationally track Near Earth Asteroids and devise a plan to stop an impact? Putting an observatory up is great. Things like tracking effects of solar storms on communications, electrical activity on earth (strangely enough solar storms interfere), and working on a predictive cycle to warn business/government is also important. There are things in space that effect us every day. These are the things that we need to work on.
      • Adam 3 mths ago
        I sure hope your sarcastic because you make a very sarcastic point. LOL.
      • larry 3 mths ago
        The space survey telescope being built in Chilli will be the major asteroid finder and tracking telescope for humanity. The James Webb telescope is not meant for that job and I doubt that it would ever be tasked for that.
    • Loren  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      We learned that the Hubble made a lot of science, particularly space science, understandable for not only Americans, but for much of the world. The Hubble also had huge cost overruns and extreme technology, but was unbelievably successful. Only a government could have done it.
      If the James Webb works as most suspect, all mankind will benefit. The whole deal is probably a bargain investment in determining our place in the universe.
      • Richard 3 mths ago
        Also Hubble was not checked on the ground to see if it was functional. lots of money got spent because the main mirror was not grounded properly. billions I believe.
    • Skunkchump  •  Death Valley, California  •  3 mths ago
      Bill Nye said. “If this budget is allowed to stand, the United States will walk away from decades of greatness in space science and exploration. But it will lose more than that. The U.S. will lose expertise, capability, and talent. The nation will lose the ability to compete in one of the few areas in which it is still the undisputed number one.”
    • ChangeAmerica  •  Owensboro, Kentucky  •  3 mths ago
      What exactly has the last 100 billion dollars spent at NASA gotten us ? Now, was the answer to that worth the devastating hardship to hard working Americans during economic declines ? I think not, blasting holes in our atmosphere at extraordinary cost could have feed our Nations hungry and homeless for ages.
    • larry  •  Norfolk, Virginia  •  3 mths ago
      Generally I support NASA, but the James Web telescope is not one that I favor. The basic design has it deployed at a LaGrange point, which means that it can't be serviced. It's planned life is only 4 or 5 years (longer then it took to design and build it). So once it's used up, it's gone, and all those billions that it took to fund it. Hubble ONLY worked because it was serviceable. First a service mission to fix a mirror flaw. Then other service missions to extend it's life and capabilities. The Web telescope is a one shot mission, high risk with your money, limited life, and way, way over budget.
    • michael  •  3 mths ago
      I notice a few posters seem to have the same problem with NASA as me. NASA, never built a single program for at least twenty years on time and on budget. There has to be a reason. Think campaign contributions to congress from the contractors and fat jobs for the big wigs at NASA.
    • michael  •  3 mths ago
      William the idea has been around in SF in a lot of stories. NASA problem is the bloat in the organization and the way it awards contracts guarantees huge cost overruns and failure. Years to grind 18 segments, these segments could have been made in almost any country in a matter of months, tested in two other months and been in orbit, carried there by the shuttle 10 years ago, the Keck telescope or the similar one in Chile did not take years to grind that is only NASA, throw the money away talking.. They are going to spend they claim 8.8 billion dollars to duplicate Hubble and than throw the whole thing away in less than two years as the telescope is not serviceable when the coolant runs out. We need to fire the lot and start over.
    • Anonymous  •  3 mths ago
      Only America could do something as stupid as spending BILLIONS on this high tech boondoogle, then we SCRAP the best way to get it up there (the shuttles). Nah, in NASA's infinite wisdom, they'd prefer to pay the Russians $57 million dollars PER TRIP!!
    • Geo  •  3 mths ago
      Could we see Uranus with this space telescope ?
    • Adam  •  3 mths ago
      Well it would succeed if you weren't selling Obama a golden toilet. A lot of good money left the hands of other scientists doing hard earned work, just so we can go back to observing the skies instead of being there?
    • “Just Because”  •  3 mths ago
      Great mirrors for sensitive infarared light make sure the motion detector sensor doesn't interfere with any of the sensitive imaging like cutting out fragments of faint light.
    • cantdrive85  •  Denver, Colorado  •  3 mths ago
      This telescope will provide further proof of an Electrical Universe, and produce any number of perplexing mysterious for BB and GR theorists.
    • Bill M  •  Terrell, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      How many black ops programs are hidden in this budget. For the price of one telescope we better be getting a lot of hidden goodies.
    • ChangeAmerica  •  Owensboro, Kentucky  •  3 mths ago
      There is a pebble out there that hasn't been turned over, send NASA a few Billion dollars of tax payer money and they will turn that pebble.
    • ChangeAmerica  •  Owensboro, Kentucky  •  3 mths ago
      If Koch Brothers could ship oil through it, the GOP would push to get the money. They have their head run up Koch Brothers ranus's.
    • Lex  •  Roanoke, Virginia  •  3 mths ago
      NASA spends way too much money on crap like the Webb Telelscope. Here are a group of rocket scientist and they can't estimate the reasonable cost of this telescope. What if a company built your home at 10 times the initial estimate an 15 years late... Let's face it if this James Webb black hole make into space it's going to cost the taxpayers at least 10 billion dollars.
    • george  •  3 mths ago
      Northrup has never completed anything on budget. How much have they already spent on this? When we know they borrow from peter to pay paul, why would anybody believe their budgets. They say 2018. How much more will they ask for in the next 6 yrs.? How will this project benefit our citizens? Please dont say it will better our understanding. We understand people are homeless. We understand gas prices are unaffordable. Lets get this country back on firm ground and stop the pie in the sky crap. Taxes are killing the middle class. Stop throwing it away.
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