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    Lawmakers snipe, Wall St. frets as deadline nears

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Testy lawmakers pointed fingers at one another and President Barack Obama on Thursday as negotiations over raising the national debt limit entered a perilous endgame. Wall Street eyed the standoff with growing anxiety, warning of catastrophe if the U.S. defaults on its obligations.

    Obama's blunt declaration that "enough is enough" as Wednesday's talks ended did nothing to quell the rancor as a new day of positioning and posturing began.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid rose on the Senate floor early Thursday to snipe that House Minority Leader Eric Cantor shouldn't even be part of the talks anymore, noting that the Virginia Republican has been called "childish." And not long after, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell stood to serve notice that the debt problem belonged squarely in Obama's lap.

    "Republicans will not be reduced to being the tax collectors for the Obama economy," McConnell said. "Don't expect any more cover from Republicans on it than you got on health care. None."

    None of it was a promising prelude to negotiations scheduled to resume at the White House on Thursday afternoon, less than three weeks before an Aug. 2 deadline for increasing the government's borrowing authority. Thursday's talks were to focus on the touchy questions of how to cut spending on Medicare and Medicaid, and raising more tax revenue.

    Behind the scenes, meanwhile, legislators and White House officials continued to work on a backup plan offered by McConnell to avoid government default.

    Obama is demanding that budget negotiators find common ground by week's end, as the financial world watches with growing jitters.

    "No one can tell me with certainty that a U.S. default wouldn't cause catastrophe and wouldn't severely damage the U.S. or global economy," Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase & Co., told reporters Thursday. "And it would be irresponsible to take that chance."

    Already, Moody's Investors Service is reviewing the government's credit rating, saying there is a small but rising risk that the government will default on its debt. If Moody's were to lower the rating, the consequences would ripple through the economy, pushing up rates for mortgages, car loans and other debts. A Chinese rating agency, Dagong Global Credit Rating Co., also warned of a possible downgrade.

    Reid sketched the potential consequences of default in dire terms, saying Social Security checks, veterans benefits and paychecks for troops would stop. "Millions of Americans could lose their jobs," he added.

    A Reid spokesman later clarified that Social Security benefits "could" stop, as Obama previously had warned, but it wouldn't be a certainty.

    Republicans have called such statements scare tactics.

    In the cauldron of the White House Cabinet Room, Obama and top lawmakers bargained for nearly two hours Wednesday. Obama curtly ended the session when Cantor, R-Va., urged him to accept a short, monthslong increase in debt instead of one that would last through next year's presidential election.

    "Enough is enough. ... I'll see you all tomorrow," Obama said, rising from the negotiating table and leaving the room, according to several officials familiar with the session.

    Reid said that while other Republican leaders were willing to negotiate in good faith, Cantor "has shown he shouldn't even be at the table."

    The United States hit its current $14.3 trillion debt ceiling in May and the Obama administration says the government will default on its obligations if the debt limit is not increased by Aug. 2. For a new debt ceiling to last to the end of 2012 would require raising it by about $2.4 trillion.

    Republicans, in control of the House of Representatives in part because of the support of tea party activists, say they will not vote to raise the limit if Obama doesn't agree to at least an equal amount of deficit reductions over 10 years.

    Obama and the top eight House and Senate leaders met for the fourth time in as many days Wednesday, and, despite the tense ending, agreed to meet again Thursday.

    A congressional aide said the White House discussed with lawmakers the possibility of moving talks this weekend to the presidential retreat at Camp David in Maryland. But a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner said the Ohio Republican told the White House he saw no need for that. And Obama aides later said they planned to continue holding meetings at the White House for the next few days.

    Despite McConnell's assertions that the debt problem belongs to Obama, fresh polling from Quinnipiac University suggested voters would be more apt to hold Republicans responsible than Obama, by 48 percent to 34 percent, if the debt limit is not raised. The same survey showed voters were about evenly split on whether they're more concerned about raising the limit and increasing government debt, or seeing the government go into default and damaging the economy.

    "The American people aren't very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy," said Peter Brown, assistant director of Quinnipiac's Polling Institute.

    That helps explain why McConnell put forward a plan that would give Obama new powers to overcome Republican opposition to raising the debt ceiling.

    The proposal would place the burden on Obama to win debt ceiling increases up to three times, provided he was able to override congressional vetoes — a threshold Obama could manage to overcome even without a single Republican vote and without massive spending cuts. Conservatives promptly criticized the plan for giving up the leverage to reduce deficits. But the plan raised the prospect of combining it with some of the spending cuts already identified by the White House in order to win support from conservatives in the House.

    In an interview with radio talk-show host Laura Ingraham, McConnell described his plan in stark political terms, warning fellow conservatives that failure to raise the debt limit would probably ensure Obama's re-election in 2012. He predicted that a default would allow Obama to argue that Republicans were making the economy worse.

    "You know, it's an argument he has a good chance of winning, and all of a sudden we (Republicans) have co-ownership of a bad economy," McConnell said. "That's a very bad positioning going into an election."

    The proposal won praise from two disparate points in the political spectrum — Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Democratic leader Reid of Nevada.

    Reid said it's "a serious proposal. And I commend the Republican leader for coming forward."

    Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said Thursday that while the president and other Democrats would still prefer a larger agreement, McConnell's plan is an acceptable option — especially if some consensus spending cuts are added to it. He said McConnell and Reid were discussing the idea.

    Democratic officials said that even as Obama confronted Cantor and Boehner in Wednesday's meeting, he commended McConnell.

    "Sen. McConnell at least has put forth a proposal," a Democratic official quoted the president as saying. "It doesn't reduce the deficit and that's what we have to do. It just deals with the debt limit. Now Sen. McConnell wants me to wear the jacket for that."

    The officials said Obama went on to say they all had a responsibility to find a compromise.

    Overall, Cantor says, the White House has been lowering the amount of spending cuts on the table, offering less than $1.4 trillion over 10 years, mostly in domestic and defense spending outside of the major benefits programs Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

    The White House says the total is closer to $1.7 trillion over 10 years when counting about $240 billion in reduced interest payments from the lowered debt.

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    Associated Press writers Dave Espo, Laurie Kellman, Ben Feller and Erica Werner in Washington and Pallavi Gogoi in New York contributed to this report.

     

    1,775 comments

    • LH  •  7 mths ago
      Let the upper class deal with sacrificing! And please leave ALONE Medicare and Social Security
    • Robert E  •  7 mths ago
      Wall Street and the stock Market=The BIG Ponzi scheme after the initial IPO . When I was a teenager gas was 15 cents per gallon. It's still 15 cents per gallon for a silver dime and a silver nickel. Or $3.60 in worthless US paper money. GREED and both parties are at fault. When people don't live within their means or the Government doesn't, everyone suffers but the rich.
    • Obama sucks  •  7 mths ago
      It's called Distraction by Propaganda! the Goverment has used these same tactics for decades!always a threat! involved and always Drama filled #$%$! Scare The People! is their Moto!force then to subcum to our crooked dealing's with Threat's! and Damnation...pass the buck!! But!have You? ever noticed tha each and everytime congress and the senate pull these attrocity's that we Get Roayally Screwed! with a lot of prock belly and Financial degradation laws that filter money Into Their! pocket's and Do not a da..........m thing to help "US" The American people here at home! that in the past 50 years Hundreds of Trillion's of "OUR" money has went to foreign adversaries and other Entity's! to finance Bomb's and killng machine's that have been used to invade and Kill American people with!we have given Billion's to china! >people who laugh in our faces and say they own us and we are stupid! gievn hundred's of billions to Japan to have them look down on us as menial and stupid!germany and many other country's like korea and veitnam who Blatantly state publicly that we are beneath them! OH! Yea the all want "OUR"a money! but they don;t want us! you cannot Buy friends!However the F.Bi. and C.I.A are in every country 24/7 Selling and Dealing our weapon's and giveing our money to countrys tha need to Take care of their own problems and not ask ! the American apeople for handout's! This Krap Has to Stop!!!! Fire! everyone involved in politic's and lest Rebuild the True and REAL America we Lost to corrupt Politicians.Let! The People! Speak!please copy and paste and print all responses and Foward to this number cause it's the only way! you will get anyone in washington to respond! they wont read what you say on here but! they will adress Faxes and letter's! I know! for a fact! Want to change politic's? and they way this country is run? or just blog on a useless website and get no where but Broke!Send all responses too>> WhiteHouse.gov is the official web site for the White House ... Phone Numbers. Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461
    • VB  •  7 mths ago
      These politicians and their own arrogance is what has caused the major disaster in the economy of this nation. Never mind the party, both are to blame about how deep they put us in the hole. They decided to give China 1.3trillion of our own wealth through destroying our industries, resources, technology and creating boogymen through unneeded wars. They have denied the right to Americans to have a decent job by outsourcing for pennies to China and India. I wonder who is going to buy their outsourced products and services when Americans run out of work and money? I feel for my children and grandchildren. These politicians have destroyed this great nation based on their wants and likes, but never thinking about their citizens. God Help us.
    • Ed  •  7 mths ago
      The biggest problem with our government is that the primary job of every elected official is to get re elected. Promise anything to buy votes, and spend most of your efforts blaming the other party and playing games. They really couldn't care less what is best for the people or the country.
    • Jacob Black  •  7 mths ago
      Why don't the law makers and president post the budget online so the American people can decide where to cut?
    • Woody  •  7 mths ago
      This is beyond ridiculous! Do they all run their household budgets like this? It is time to sit down and work line item by line item. Cut the pork, cut the excessive spending, and take care of our own backyard!!
    • Old_Patriot  •  7 mths ago
      This is clearly political cowardice. Politicians are afraid to cut spending and lose votes or let the country's economy fail and lose votes. It's time to grow some nuts.
    • Jim C  •  7 mths ago
      People of America remember this and all those involved come election day if we last that long.And lets start a people innitiative to lower these clowns pays by a lot.And take away there golden retirement plan also.
    • total chaos  •  7 mths ago
      Why isn't there any money in the Social Security "trust fund" that we have all paid into for many years.It's time we changed the way Congress is run.
    • Phoenix  •  7 mths ago
      Don't think we need to close tax loopholes? Let's see what 100+ BILLION dollar earners paid little or no taxes this year... 1. General Electric 2. Johnson & Johnson 3. Hewlett Packard 4. Verizon 5. DuPont 6. Cisco 7. Coca-cola 8.Pfizer 9. AT&T and 10, B of A actually had a tax rate of NEGATIVE 69% (the govt. paid THEM) ... Still think we don't need to close tax loopholes?
    • Bob  •  7 mths ago
      SS is NOT an entitlement. SS is a paid for right by the retired American people. You Ba&&terds in Washington leave SS alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Tired  •  7 mths ago
      I guess I will default on my bills and explain to the banks that I have reached my debt limit and had to default just like the White House. If SS checks , government pensions, military pay can't be paid then all the housing repos will be the fault of the DC idiots not because of the hard working Americans that are doing the right thing. So if we all lose our homes and need a place to live we can all go to DC and move in with our leaders. I bet that none of them will lose thier jobs if a deal isn't reached.
    • Felon in Congress  •  7 mths ago
      If I ran my household like these clowns run this country, I'd already be living under a bridge somewhere and looking for an empty refrigerator box to sleep in. Looks as if I should start looking for that box.....
    • Tempi Cambi  •  7 mths ago
      Do you think these people really care? Really? they have theirs...yawn...
    • elle  •  7 mths ago
      THESE MEN NEED TO GROW UP, GET ON THE STICK AND MAKE A GOOD GOVERNMENT. GET OVER YOUR OWN PRIVATE AND PETTY GRIPES WITH EACHJ OTHER. WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU WERE SENT TO WASH DC FOR, FUN? MONEY? NO, NO, DO YOUR SWORN JOB, DOOFUSES!!!
    • Gee  •  7 mths ago
      ...and Nero fiddled as Rome burned.
    • Sofianitz  •  7 mths ago
      This crap is really hopeless. Isn't there some way we could just flush all these people down the toilet, and start over with a new President and lawmakers?
    • Bob  •  7 mths ago
      Democrats say we need to fix this
      Republicans say we need to fix this
      I say friggin FIX IT !!!!!
    • Mark J  •  7 mths ago
      I feel like we the people should get more than in fighting and finger pointing for the huge amounts we pay politicians too waste our tax money.
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