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    List: Web older than incoming college freshmen

    MILWAUKEE (AP) — Mention Amazon to the incoming class of college freshmen and they are more likely to think of shopping than the South American river. PC doesn't stand for political correctness and breaking up is a lot easier thanks to Facebook and text messaging.

    These are among the 75 references on this year's Beloit College Mindset List, a compilation intended to remind teachers that college freshmen born mostly in 1993 see the world in a much different way: They fancied pogs and Tickle Me Elmo toys as children, watched televisions that never had dials and their lives have always been like a box of chocolates.

    Once upon a time, relatives of the current generation swore never to trust anyone over the age of 30. This group could argue: Never trust anyone older than the Net.

    The college's compilation, released Tuesday, is assembled each year by two officials at the private school in southeastern Wisconsin. It also has evolved into a national phenomenon, a cultural touchstone that entertains even as it makes people wonder where the years have gone.

    Remember when the initials LBJ referred to President Lyndon B. Johnson? Today, according to the list, they make teenagers think of NBA star LeBron James. And speaking of NBA legends, these kids didn't want to be like Mike — they fawned over Shaq and Kobe.

    In their lifetimes, Major League Baseball has always had three divisions plus wild-card playoff teams, and every state has always observed Martin Luther King Day. The "yadda, yadda, yadda" generation that's been quoting Seinfeld since they were old enough to talk also has always seen women serve as U.S. Supreme Court justices and command U.S. Navy ships.

    Then there's OJ Simpson. These students were still in diapers when the former NFL star began searching for the killers of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

    "Hmm, I know there was some scandal about him," said Alex Keesey, 18, an incoming freshman from Beloit. "I think it was robbery or murder, maybe both."

    Comments like that can be a little jarring to older folks who imagine that everyone knows about the Simpson murder trial and subsequent acquittal. But if the generation gap has you down, get used to it. The list's authors note that technology has only accelerated the pace of change and further compressed the generational divide.

    Older Americans who read previous Mindset Lists felt that life was moving too quickly, list author Ron Nief said, and now even younger people share that sentiment.

    "I talk to people in their early 30s and they're telling me they can't keep up with all the advances," Nief said.

    Nief's co-author, English professor Tom McBride, predicts the trend will only accelerate.

    "If you look at the jump from email to texting, or from email to Facebook, it's been faster than the jump from typing to computers," McBride said. "These generational gaps are getting smaller."

    Still not feeling old? Consider this: Andre the Giant, River Phoenix and Frank Zappa all died before these students were born. They don't know what a Commodore 64 was, and they don't understand why Boston barflies would ever shout, "Norm!"

    Oh, and Ferris Bueller could be their father.

    But the list isn't intended to serve as a cultural tombstone, its authors say, contending that the compilation also serves a practical purpose.

    McBride and Nief say the main lesson professors should take from this year's list is that their incoming students have never lived in a world without the Internet. From the moment these kids were able to reach a tabletop, their fingertips probably were brushing against computers plugged into the World Wide Web.

    And while that was largely true for the last few classes as well, the authors say teachers need to be extra-vigilant about where this year's students are going for information.

    The Internet is great for finding facts, McBride says, but there's a big difference between facts and the knowledge that comes from understanding context behind the facts. He advises professors to teach how to supplement Internet searches with library research in scholarly journals, and to remind freshmen to dig beyond the first page or two of Google search results.

    Sara Ballesteros, an 18-year-old freshman from South Beloit, said she's confident she knows how to do legitimate Internet research, by relying more on websites that end in ".edu" or ".gov" than in ".com" or ".org."

    She also opined that adults worry too much about kids' Internet habits. She referred to item No. 7 on the Mindset List: "As they've grown up on websites and cellphones, adult experts have constantly fretted about their alleged deficits of empathy and concentration."

    "For older people who think we use the Internet way too much for bad things, it really depends on the person, on their beliefs and ideals," she said. "Technology can be used in good ways. But adults don't always understand that."

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    Online:

    Beloit College Mindset List: http://www.beloit.edu/mindset

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    Dinesh Ramde can be reached at dramde(at)ap.org

     

    2,067 comments

    • Pete  •  6 mths ago
      I don't believe todays teens are as clueless as this article leads us to believe. I'm sure there are plenty of X and Y generation folks who are just as clueless about history and events but in todays times you would think everyone would be more informed with all the access to cyber space.
    • Victor  •  6 mths ago
      "Those who criticize our generation, forget who raised it."
    • Theron  •  6 mths ago
      ... are they that retarded? They only put down very few things that would "seem" most teenagers don't know of, I myself am 17 and I know most of that stuff. The only real thing that I don't fully remember is OJ because I never took attention to that, but really if they think that students don't know these things they can always LOOK IT UP ON THE INTERNET and get an idea about those things!!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  6 mths ago
      OJ is short for Orange Juice and she meant "Dumb as a box of chocolates". Just kidding!
      I have a tremendous hope for the future with the current crop of youth. "Youth" Meaning anyone younger than me. Cheers! Blessings and green lights to all of you !♥
    • Jeremy  •  6 mths ago
      Um, I'm only a Junior in High school, and I know what all the things they listed saying a college freshman wouldn't know are. The Commodore 64 was an early home computer, Boston barflies would shout Norm as a reference to Cheers. Of course LBJ refers to Lyndon B. Johnson, I mean, come on, we still have history classes in school, its not like the past is completely forgotten to us. I hate how people generalize about my generation.
    • Jessie C  •  6 mths ago
      Sounds like those television stereotypes have got to go though a little bit of comic humor every now and then is funny. People you don't know me. My name is Jessie L. Cohn, and I am an ambitious comic book writer of "Weirdland" who is planning on getting all her work published after she graduates from college.
    • Allison  •  6 mths ago
      Just because a portion of people are ignorant and blind in some aspects, doesn't mean all young poeple are. It's background, and how parents raise their kids. Yeah the internet and technology can consume people at times, but it's what people choose to see and apply in thier lives that create this assumption. To generalize people is wrong, especially young people. I myself am completely knowledgeable of history and past pop culture, and I'm still in high school.
    • Yo Mama  •  6 mths ago
      Parents just don't understand.
    • chieftain  •  6 mths ago
      Big deal. I'm a grouchy old Gen-Xer and I couldn't care less who likes the Beattles more than the Rolling Stones, or paisleys, or bell-bottoms. I'm just happy to have a #$%$ JOB. Leave the dang freshman alone. They'll have their own worries soon enough.
    • Jason Keyser  •  6 mths ago
      well this is a intrsting article. I went to school in the late 80's and computers were just really taking off.And I know that for a fact that not all freshman students are dumb. They know who o.j. is and who jbl is. only thing they will miss is opening a thing called a book and doing research the old fashion way by using a dictinary and using a pen and pencil and writing on a thing called paper.
    • Chris  •  6 mths ago
      I will admit that it's interesting to read the comments regarding this article. I'm 27 but consider myself an old soul. I remember the OJ Simpson trial vividly, I collected pogs, and remember when computers and the internet were a luxury (meaning you spent time doing your research in a library as there was no wikipedia). Technology has come a long way in the past 25 years. I remember having a separate phone line for dial up. The issue isn't necessarily the technology at hand but the way the technology is used. In my own personal experience, it is harder to retain knowledge by merely going to google, typing your question and regurgitating the answer that pops up on your screen. Using the internet for research is great but it is a double edged sword if you don't know any other ways to solve your question and get your answer. The other issue is that it seems though schools across this wonderful country of ours place little emphasis on spelling, punctuation, grammer, and proper sentance structure. After reading a large quantity of these comments, one question keeps coming to mind: Don't they teach Remedial English anymore? It shows how lazy we are becoming when now its widely accepted that it takes too long to spell out words like: year(yr), thank you(ty), with(w), because(bc), to/two/too(2), etc. It goes hand in hand with the "now, now, now, need it now" generation. I'm not implying, by any means, that this new generation isn't inteliegent but merely becoming lazy. I do find it interesting how most of the comments that come from the 18-21 demographic imply that the older generations don't know what they're talking about and have no clue while trying to depict themselves as having this vast array of knowledge. It reminds me of the old saying: "I'm not young enough to know everything."
    • W  •  6 mths ago
      Those same liebrals who say technology can be used for good things are still anti gun. The other problem with the internet is it's also full of non-facts.
    • Person  •  6 mths ago
      Excuse you!!! Thank you SO MUCH for stereotyping teenagers AGAIN!!! I am an 18-yer old incoming college freshman (born in 1992 NOT 1993) and I am EXTREMELY offended by this article!!! FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I KNOW why OJ Simson is famous and what LBJ and "PC" stand for!!! LeBron James and Shaq and Kobe don't matter as much to all of us as you THINK they do!!! Ferris Bueller happens to be one of my favorite movies!!! Also, I am EXTREMELY empathic and my lack of concentration has everything to do with my diagnosis of Attention Defecit Hyperactivity Disorder NOT the internet!!! I completely agree with Sara Ballesteros!!! We know more than you give us credit for... so you can take this list and shove it!!!!!!!
    • Mr. Nice Guy  •  6 mths ago
      Fact: Human brains are shrinking as we become more domesticated. We as a species don't need to be as sharp witted to survive as our vulnerable ancestors; we co-operate and specialize our knowledge to survive; which requires less brainpower than a human in the wild.
      All domesticated animals have much smaller brains than their wild counterparts.
    • MitchellD  •  6 mths ago
      I look forward to this article every year. I don't believe for a second it labels anyone as "stupid", but points out the difference in this generations' frame of reference.
      On the other hand, the responses are indicative of how we raised these college freshmen (I recognize that I'm generalizing). We told them they were little princes and princesses, more special than anyone else and that they could have anything they want. If things got rough at school, we blamed the teachers for singling out our little princess. In a nutshell, I take responsibility for raising a generation that is largely (not completely) spoiled, rude, and egocentric.
    • Mr. Nice Guy  •  6 mths ago
      2 Billion smart Chinese & Indian kids will rescue our dim-witted country.
    • rridge  •  6 mths ago
      What generation gap? I am 72 and when my kid ask me if I knew Elmo, I said "Of course! I have a medicine for it!"
    • dash rendar  •  6 mths ago
      half the stuff on the list they "dont know" happened 30-40-50 years ago, And 1/2 the stuff they said they do know was happening when they wer 3-7 years old. I doubt many kids born in 93' were quoting Waynes world or Beavis and Butthead. Sounds like maybe these professors need to redo this list to me.

      I am bungholio!
    • Packers rock and u know i ...  •  6 mths ago
      I'm 18. just graduated and about to enter the military and i feel this article is pretty biased. All my friends know who OJ is and why he is famous, even though in my mind i couldn't care less about celebrity's lives and i can't comprehend why others do. Sure every generation has its clueless, but quotes like "their lives have always been like a box of chocolates" cracked me up! Technology changes!!! but it seems like we still have the same old problems. I feel like who ever wrote this article just wanted to make it seem like we have been pampered our whole lives. I tell this person to ask a person in a generation older then his what they think about his generation... i feel the answer will be pretty similar
    • susan  •  6 mths ago
      A lot of knee-jerk reactions from the teenagers. Typical approach for that age, and something that usually mellows as people get older and wiser.
      I imagine a few of them pulled their dictionary and thesaurus off the shelf pretty fast.

      This generational argument has been going on since time began. It is not unique to this generation, or any other. And the complaints haven't changed much at all- the young ones show no respect, they're lazy, they don't value the lessons of history, they're too promiscuous, they think they know more than the rest of us, and on and on.

      Most of us eventually realize that to observe and learn is better than opening our mouths too soon and revealing our ignorance.

      These kids will eventually grow up. When they watch their own children approach adulthood and start saying the same things that they are right now, they will realize that they are now the older generation, and observing themselves from just a few years back.

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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