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    Many Chinese Workers Want Those Jobs at Foxconn

    Many Chinese Workers Want Those Jobs at Foxconn

    It might not make sense to us Americans, with our cushy office jobs filled with ergonomic keyboards and yoga-ball chairs, but getting a job at Foxconn is something a lot of Chinese people want. As commentators and activists defend the rights of the Chinese workers at the Foxconn plants, thousands of hopeful workers are lining up outside a labor agency, hoping Foxconn hires them, as M.I.C Gadget's Chris Chang spotted. This doesn't make it okay to ignore the harsh working environments that produce our electronics, but, for many Chinese, these factories are better than the alternatives. 

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    Going ahead with plans to double the size of its Zhengzhou campus, Foxconn is hiring. And, as you can see from photos via M.I.C Gadget's Chris Chang, these jobs are competitive. Below we have what Chang described as a "Huge crowd of job seekers was seen outside the labor agency throughout the day." And, above we have a similar sentiment from Reuters photographer Donald Chan taken at an August 2010 job fair. 

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    All the media coverage of Foxconn, with its harsh working conditions, long hours, child labor, and lack of workers' rights, might make it hard to believe the demand for these jobs. But, as Paul Krugman noted way back in the '90s, these factories "are a big improvement over the previous, less visible rural poverty," he wrote in an early Slate piece. Industrialization, hardships included, is a necessary step toward modernity, the argument goes. 

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    And, it's not just Nobel Prize-winning academics making the case for cheap industrial labor, some actual people living in China agree. "If people saw what kind of life workers lived before they found a job at Foxconn, they would come to an opposite conclusion of this story: that Apple is such a philanthropist," wrote commenter Zhengchu1982 in response to the recent New York Times article on the iEconomy. And of the many reactions to its Foxconn expose The Times compiled many expressed similar sentiments. A handful of examples:

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    From Anonymous:

    Without Apple, Chinese workers will be worse off. I hope China can some day soon have dozens of its own companies like Apple, who (only) work on high-end research and development and send manufacturing lines to Africa.

    From 自由泳来了:

    Working conditions in smaller factories are even worse (than Foxconn). They have even longer work hours. The major reason is that suppliers are not at the top of the value chain and major brands can easily replace them. Also, workers in China do not have labor unions, and the Chinese government always protects the large companies.

    And, from anonymous:

    If not to buy Apple, what’s the substitute – Samsung? Don’t you know that Samsung’s products are from its OEM factory in Tianjin? Samsung workers’ income and benefits are even worse than those at Foxconn. If not to buy iPad – (do you think) I will buy Android Pad? Have you ever been to the OEM factories for Lenovo and ASUS? Quanta, Compaq … factories of other companies are all worse than those for Apple. Not to buy iPod – (do you think) I will buy Aigo, Meizu? Do you know that Aigo’s Shenzhen factory will not pay their workers until the 19th of the second month? If you were to quit, fine, I’m sorry, your salary will be withdrawn. Foxconn never dares to do such things. First, their profit margin is higher than peers as they manufacture for Apple. Second, at least those foreign devils will regularly audit factories. Domestic brands will never care if workers live or die. I am not speaking for Foxconn. I am just speaking as an insider of this industry, and telling you some disturbing truth

    This doesn't excuse Apple or any of the other companies working with Foxconn, but it suggests that there are many sides of this issue, and many voices yet to be heard on it.

     

    19 comments

    • Codswallop  •  3 mths ago
      Ummm, if you line people up against a wall then give them a choice between a bullet to the head or slavery, they'll probably choose slavery. But that doesn't make slavery "good." The better of two AWFUL options is still awful.
    • Houston  •  3 mths ago
      Skrew CHINA, Americans need to get their acts together and start boycotting Chinese goods, and any company that manufactures goods in China! Also need to set a livable wage for Americans and stop paying these executives the absorbanent salaries and bonuses. We can manufacture our own good at reasonable prices if we eliminate the GREED !!!
    • oranges  •  Dover, New Jersey  •  3 mths ago
      All i can say is keep flapping your worthless gums about american jobs as u buy my cheap imported chinese electronics online.
    • Human Being  •  Guangzhou, China  •  3 mths ago
      Well, as you waste your time reading and responding to this, Foxconn employees are too busy working and getting paid. Nuf Said!! The USA used to make things until they started reaching into the pockets of other hard working people to make their livings.
    • NOB  •  Nashville, Tennessee  •  3 mths ago
      This situation is not unlike it was in the American sweat shops of the 1900's.
      What needs to happen is foxconn needs to start paying more , and highering more people, so their employees don't need to work so many hours. We should require this of them before they are allowed to import things into the United States. That would be a win for the works, as it was in this country.

      However, doing so is likely to make it competitive to manufacture in the United states again.

      Ask yourself this though. If it is wrong to expect american's to work 15 hour days for $2 an hour and it is wrong from american companies to destroy farmland and peoples health through low environmental safeguards and working conditions. Why is it right for Americans to buy things from other companies that do.

      That is a lot of the actual cause of off shoring though. People, being who are willing to work for less and in harsher conditions then we in the U.S. think is moral for U..S.

      But either it is or it isn't . Either we need to repeal U.S. regulations, or enforce them on all importers.
      • unforgivable 3 mths ago
        I would gladly pay more to buy made in USA stuff, but it isn't up to the consumer anymore.
      • the doctor 3 mths ago
        Obama wont even fight for human rights in China, what makes you think he is going to do something about trade?
    • unforgivable  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      Nobody ever blames Foxconn, just Apple. Nobody ever blames the other 50 Fortune500 companies that Foxconn manufactures for, just Apple. Come on. I'de pay an extra $50 every time I buy a phone or computer if it was manufactured in the USA.
    • Peez  •  3 mths ago
      I am sorry to say this but Chinese are destined to be slaves of big corporations and their own despotic government!!!
      • Howard 3 mths ago
        To work for low wage beats no job at all. China does not have such generous welfare system as U.S. and Europe's. And on the other hand..they don't have social parasites like Westerns that eat out a big chuck of others establishments.
    • rickb  •  3 mths ago
      All Americans are working in cushy offices? That's interesting to know...
    • ConcernedCitizen  •  Fair Oaks, California  •  3 mths ago
      Tough pill to swallow for your average, hippie iBot. Capitalism works and Apple is a part of it.
    • jkeyner  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      Many American would like those jobs at Foxconn if it was located in the U.S., but instead we will create our own new company here and consume the products here and export where the demand is great at competitive prices.
      • Howard 3 mths ago
        Well..the number does not add up..people here on welfare get more money than working at these low wage factories...and that's why most of those sweatshop jobs are in China.
    • JohnS  •  Tustin, California  •  3 mths ago
      What's our next President going to do to get these jobs back in the United States
      • Alex 3 mths ago
        Yeah, 4get Blobama, he cant do squat about that.
      • Howard 3 mths ago
        John..you want those 'jobs' back..? They got paid $900/mo. worst than people on welfare here...Where are they gonna find workers...? Be real.
    • Matta G  •  3 mths ago
      I would like to ask the people who say "Bring American Jobs Home" if they would be willing to pay $2000 for an iPad. Unionized workers make a lot of money.
      • duongut willy 3 mths ago
        stupid, if the job is in the US, do you think the wage is like in China?
    • Noah H  •  Lake Havasu City, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      It's hard to believe that we buy all this #$%^ from COMMUNIST china and then for further irony we borrow the money we gave them for this COMMUNIST built #$%$. More irony...the GOP/Tea/Fox/Jesus party with all their anti-communist bull #$%^ sees what's going on and they say...'it is good'....free enterprise at work! Maybe at some point these COMMUNIST mother $%^&ers will manufacture some rope so we can hang these 'conservative' weasels. It makes 'ya wanna' hurl!
    • Mu  •  Cairns, Australia  •  3 mths ago
      This article makes me want to puke.
    • SXA  •  3 mths ago
      This is the silliest argument to say the others are even worse, and things were worse before so this treatment by Foxconn is OK. The race to the bottom is not an excuse. The reason why Apple is held to a higher standard is because it sells its products at a premium and pretends somehow its the good guy..when in reality it sent all its manufacturing to China even though they could have still made good profits by making them in the USA.

      Samsung on the other hand is building Chip manufacturing plants here in the USA and supplying them to Apple.

      If Apple is so proud of making their icrap in China..why do they downplay the fact they are made in China and put the bigger label Designed in California by Apple...do they think they are fooling us?
    • the doctor  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      LOL amusing but correct. Foxconn is significantly better than the vast majority of chinese companies. But then, China strictly limits which factories can do work for foreign clients and the real bad ones build directly for export instead of for foreign companies. The funny thing about the Apple article is that its all #$%$ from an "unnamed"source. Apple hired an outside firm to audit the chinese factories that supply them, and that outside firm produced reports saying Foxconn was following apple rules. The "unknown" source claims to be from that audit firm, yet only the publicist knows who he is and the audit firm has categorically denied that any of the date in the article is correct. But headlines sell faster than truth, this was probably just a media ploy to make sure they can reelect Obama.
    • Scortch Dearth  •  3 mths ago
      After the Civil War in America, many newly freed slaves left the plantations, happy to be free...after a while, many of them came back, unable to find a job or to buy any food. This was the beginning of sharecropping, which is just a financial way to own slaves. China is no different...sure, you can leave Foxconn, but where are you going to go?...sure, Foxconn works you to death and pays you nothing, but at least you'll get enough to eat to keep you going. The alternative is even worse.
      But this doesn't mean you're being treated with any human respect, as a matter of fact, the Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou told his senior managers that Hon Hai has a workforce of over one million worldwide and “as human beings are also animals, to manage one million animals gives me a headache.” Hon Hai is the parent company of Foxconn, which makes iPhones and iPads for Apple. Gou added that he would “like to learn from the director of the Taipei Zoo, Chin Shih-chien, as to how animals should be managed”.

      Think America is any different?...we weren't at one time, before unions, and it's those times the Republicans want to return us to.
      As American financier & plutocrat Jay Gould (leading American railroad developer and speculator, mid to late 1800's) said After hiring strikebreakers: "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
    • Alex  •  3 mths ago
      I'd take a job at FOXXCOM if it was here in the US.
    • jkeyner  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      Apple has record earnings in cash, not sure if most money is in China or U. S. but they could change at anytime time if they choose to do that.
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