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    New Mass translation launches in American parishes

    CLAYTON, N.C. (AP) — English-speaking Roman Catholics who have regularly attended Mass for years found themselves in an unfamiliar position Sunday, needing printed cards or sheets of paper to follow along with a ritual many have known since childhood.

    "I don't think I said it the right way once," said Matthew Hoover, who attends St. Ann Catholic Church in Clayton, a growing town on the edge of the Raleigh suburbs. "I kept forgetting, and saying the old words."

    The Mass itself — the central ritual of the Catholic faith — hasn't changed, but the English translation has, in the largest shakeup to the everyday faith of believers since the upheavals that followed the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. A years-long process of revision and negotiation led to an updated version of the Roman Missal, the text of prayers and instructions for celebrating Mass, which originally was written in Latin. The new translation was rolled out across the English-speaking Catholic world on Sunday after months of preparation.

    Mickey Mattox, a professor at Milwaukee's Marquette University, said he was happy with the idea that the bishops wanted the translations as accurate as possible.

    Adapting to the changes "was a lot less difficult than I thought it might be," said Mattox, 55, adding, "even though probably all of us are going to end up holding our worship folders for a few weeks until we memorize all the new language."

    The Rev. George Witt, pastor of the Church of St. Ignatius Loyola on New York's Park Avenue, started the 11 a.m. Mass by noting Sunday was not only the first day of Advent, but also the first day to use the new Missal. He directed parishioners to a pamphlet inserted into the back of the now-outdated hymnal that spelled out the new wording. A notable number of worshippers stumbled after the priest said, "Peace be with you." The new response is "And with your spirit" instead of "And also with you." But many others confidently gave the right response.

    Kathleen McCormack, a church volunteer and former school teacher, said she didn't like the new translation and didn't understand why the church needed a translation closer to Latin.

    "Consubstantial? What is that word?" McCormack said, referring to a term in the retranslated Nicene Creed that replaces language calling Jesus "one in being with the Father."

    But she saw a cautionary tale in the many Catholics she saw distance themselves from the church over changes made after the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council.

    "It's not shaking my church experience," said McCormack, as she handed out church bulletins. "You have the spirit between you and God and the words are insignificant."

    Most of the changes are actually to prayers recited by the priest, but some of the changes for prayers spoken or sung by the congregation revise familiar words that for some people are spoken almost automatically after years of churchgoing.

    Along with the new response and unfamiliar words, the affirmation "We believe" has been replaced with "I believe" in the Nicene Creed. Some of the language seems more formal or poetic: the word "cup" has become "chalice."

    "It's more British in some ways," said Monsignor Michael Clay, pastor of St. Ann. "But this is the first time that every English-speaking country in the world will be using the same translation of the Mass."

    Clay likes the new translation, finding it closer to the Latin text that is still the church's official language. But some priests and parishioners have been less enthusiastic, criticizing the new version as too ponderous or distant, and in some cases circulating petitions asking for a delay in introducing the new missal.

    Maribeth Lynch, 51, a publisher from the Milwaukee suburb of Elm Grove, said she was "distraught" over the changes and would refuse to "learn the damn prayers."

    "It's ridiculous. I've been a Catholic for 50 years, and why would they make such stupid changes? They're word changes. They're semantics," she said.

    "It's confusion. All it's doing is causing confusion," she said. "You want to go to church and be confused?"

    The roots of the new translation go back to that epochal council held at the Vatican in the 1960s, which allowed Mass in languages other than Latin. An English-language missal was produced by 1973, but that was intended to be temporary while improvements were made.

    In 2001, the Vatican office that oversees worship issued a directive requiring translation of the English missal that would be closer to the Latin rather than to more familiar vernacular speech. Numerous revisions and bishops' meetings eventually produced agreement on the translation being used Sunday.

    Parishes and dioceses around the country have spent months trying to prepare Catholics for the change. Descriptions of the new translation have been printed in weekly bulletins, seminars have been held and, since Labor Day, many parishes have been gradually introducing the new translation piece by piece, starting with the parts of the liturgy that are sung.

    Most of those activities are for the benefit of the average Catholic, but it's priests who have more new material to master.

    "I've had a new missal in my hands for about three weeks now, and I've been literally practicing the prayers," Clay said. "I've been doing this now for 31 years, and a lot of these prayers I actually know by memory. I have to make sure my brain isn't getting ahead of my mouth."

    ___

    Associated Press writers Rachel Zoll in New York City and Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee contributed to this report.

     
    • MikeGolf  •  6 mths ago
      What I don't understand is why the non-Cathloics even care. If somebody wants to practice their faith in a certian way - then we should have no problem with it.
      • SeekTruth 6 mths ago
        I hate seeing my fellow human beings being defrauded by myth and superstision. That is why I care about the crap that goes on within organized religion. BTW, I do not make a big deal out of it but I do express my views from time to time.
      • Mike 6 mths ago
        Exactly. Nobody likes to see exploitation on such a massive scale.
      • anna, gigi 6 mths ago
        How about people who say we came from monkeys in Africa? How sure are you? Have you witnessed or seen this to confirm its certainty? I am not saying it is not true. I'm just stating questions.
    • big bob  •  Newark, United States  •  6 mths ago
      why is this #$%$ kevin kiesterman even allowed to post a comment - completely infantile -what is his point ?
      • A Yahoo! User 6 mths ago
        Ha ha, @ $ $ w i p e...got you all riled up.
      • Patrick 6 mths ago
        No, sounds like Kevy got all riled up a long time ago. He's probably touching himself every time someone pays attention to him.
      • Horace 6 mths ago
        Could you all be very nice to Kevin. In case you both haven't noticed, this article has unleashed what seems like thousands of molested men in denial, who are displaying a behaviour known as regression.
    • Chang Noi  •  Phoenix, United States  •  6 mths ago
      I don't hate any religion and it always stuns me how much hate is directed at Catholics - usually by other Christian sects.
      • Charles 6 mths ago
        Guess they hate Newt Gingrich since he's a Catholic.
      • Don 6 mths ago
        I always found it crazy that their was paranoia about JFK being a Catholic during his presidential run.
      • Mitteemo 6 mths ago
        Maybe you should study religious history to understand. Does the Inquisiton ring any church bells?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  6 mths ago
      I'm not Catholic, but I think the level of disrespect shown from these comments is horrendous. Just because you think a religion is stupid, wrong, or imaginary does not mean you should go around belittling others. I have a friend who says he is a strong atheist, but he is perfectly tolerant of my Christian friend, and she is perfectly tolerant of him. They are mature young adults, and can get along with each others without offending each other and hurting one another.
      People who are posting the negative, mean comments... GROW UP!
      • Jim 6 mths ago
        Lilia, your comment was negative and mean and it hurt me.
      • Dave 6 mths ago
        Well said Lilia.
      • Jello 6 mths ago
        Agreed
    • Jocko Mole  •  Las Vegas, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Most of my prayers aren't spoken.
      • Alex 6 mths ago
        Most of mine are non existent. Oh, wait, I meant all of them. What good does praying do besides provide temporary comfort? In reality, you are thinking to yourself.. Almost like a split-personality if you ask me.
      • David R 6 mths ago
        Prayers are spoken, and prayed to the Father ( GOD ) in Jesus name. Not Mary, not Muhammad, not Buddah and not Krishna nor Sponge Bob
      • Paul 6 mths ago
        Im Catholic, but however you pray is fine to me. Whether it be aloud or silent, often or once a year, prayer is good for all. And whether you realize it or not, we all pray. Good for you Jocko.
    • Aldo Raine  •  5 mths ago
      NATO just about makes my point. NATO posted :" If you have to pray something has to be wrong.
      Secularists and the dumb don't pray." Many theologians point out that most prayer can be distilled down to one word : "HELP !!! " Which is kind of reflective of what NATO says. Earlier I asked "Star" and others : Who told you prayer IS worship ? I asked WHERE in the Bible, since these people are the standard bearers for "Sola Scriptura", is it written that prayer IS worship ? I don't think I agree with NATO that the dumb and secularists don't pray. I'm betting that many do find a way to say "help" now and then. The larger point is that prayer CAN be worship, but is not in and of itself worship, unless your idea of worship is confused.
    • Raptured  •  North Palm Beach, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Wow, Im impressed! Ocala has some real brain-washed bible thumpers! Too bad they misquote the scriptures and take them out of context so much, you can't tell what they're talking about!
    • SteelersX6  •  6 mths ago
      How about just praying to God from your heart, you know like a son talking to his dad.
    • HenryK  •  Dothan, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Religion is like anything else it can be good or bad. All ideas and thoughts are not equal...why must we show tolerance with religions that practice harm to people or other religions? I like people that are good people...I don't care what their religions is.
    • mp  •  6 mths ago
      Can someone explain to me why people say Christians and Catholics. Aren't Catholics Christians as well?
    • Scott  •  Makati City, Philippines  •  6 mths ago
      Mat 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
      But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Cicero, United States  •  6 mths ago
      ahhhh yes. I went to church today, and it was kind of odd, especially when the priest was preparing communion. The prayers were totally differnet. But the change had been expected cause they were talking about it for months. My confirmation teachers actually handed out a worksheets with the new translations, so I was able to look over those. I can't say that I didn't stumble at all, even with the new translation right in front of me ;) many people don't like change, but once you get used to it, it's no big deal really. It's not like our faith is being changed. All of our beliefs are still the same.
    • Beebs  •  Livonia, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Was wondering why non believers have such a problem with believers? I'm Catholic and it doesn't bother one bit that there are people out there that don't believe. I don't go around putting them down or calling them stupid or devil worshippers. So, what's up with you non believers, why do you feel the need to put our religion - no matter which one, down?
      You almost sound like you're afraid of something? God, maybe??
    • A Yahoo! User  •  6 mths ago
      Change can be good. After 60 years of going to mass, this morning I found myself paying closer attention. There have been times when I would recite the prayers from memory while my mind wandered to the things I needed to do that day. Today I was more focused.
    • marci m  •  San Diego, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Hate is of the devil regardless of your beliefs. I am seeing a lot of hate here from self professed Christians. If you judge people how do you expect to love them? If you had a true relationship with Jesus Christ you wouldn't be so hateful and judgemental. You would always be an example of love, not hate!
    • Gman  •  Irvine, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Hate is self destructive, family destructive, community destructive, and nation destructive.
    • Jean Pierre  •  Dallas, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Roman Catholic Church texts were originally written in Latin the official language of the Church and Italy is where Latin began. Some how when they translated it to English it got lost in translation and now they just want to make a few corrections to ensure the phrases are in line with Latin manuscripts . NO big deal. It just will time to get use to that is all.
    • boba tea  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Change or not, God still loves you.
    • SC  •  Columbus, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Actually Edjg, Catholics do read from the Bible at Mass - a lot. We have 4 readings at every Sunday Mass, and 3 at daily Mass. Also, the words of consecration are basically a direct quote of Jesus' words at the Last Supper - also found in the Bible.

      TruthRevealer54 - the early Church was full of ritual; read the Church Fathers and read Paul a little more closely and you will see. When we celebrate the Eucharist (Communion), the ritual we are using is the one that Jesus used.
      2 Thessalonians 2:15
      “Stand firm and hold fast to the traditions you were taught either by oral statement or by a letter of ours”
      Acts 2:42
      They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles, the communal life, breaking of the bread, and the prayers
      Romans 6:17
      But thanks be to God that…you have become obedient…to the pattern of teaching to which you were instructed

      The above verses are all indications that there is a primacy of tradition, including specific prayers and way of life - and yes, rituals.
    • Josh  •  Charlotte, United States  •  6 mths ago
      What's more important...the literal translation or the belief in God? Something tells me God will not be upset if we all get the words wrong.
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