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    Navy prepares submarines for 1st female officers

    HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) โ€” For Ensign Peggy LeGrand, the biggest concern about serving on a submarine is not spending weeks at a time in tight quarters with an entirely male crew. What worries her is the scrutiny that comes with breaking one of the last gender barriers in the U.S. military.

    "I have a feeling more people will be focused on us. Our mistakes and successes will be magnified more than they deserve," said LeGrand, a 25-year-old Naval Academy graduate from Amarillo, Texas.

    LeGrand is among a small group of female officers who are training at sites including Groton, Conn., to join the elite submarine force beginning later this year. While the Navy says it is not treating them any differently from their male counterparts, officials have been working to prepare the submarine crews โ€” and the sailors' wives โ€” for one of the most dramatic changes in the 111-year history of the Navy's "silent service."

    The initial class of 24 women will be divided among four submarines, where they will be outnumbered by men by a ratio of roughly 1 to 25. The enlisted ranks, which make up about 90 percent of a sub's 160-sailor crew, are not open to women although the Navy is exploring modifications to create separate bunks for men and women.

    The female officers, many of them engineering graduates from Annapolis, are accustomed to being in the minority, and so far they say they hardly feel like outsiders. The nuclear power school that is part of their training, for example, has been open to women for years because the Navy in 1994 reversed a ban on females serving on its surface ships, including nuclear-powered vessels.

    At the U.S. Navy's submarine school in Groton, where eight women were among dozens who recently completed the 10-week officer basic course, Ensign Kristin Lyles said the presence of the first class of females bound for submarine duty was not even remarked upon at this month's graduation ceremony.

    "I understand the reason why. It was never explained but it was kind of implied that while we're going through training, as soon as they started calling attention to it in that way, it's singling us out," said Lyles, 23, of Fairfax Station, Va. "In my experience, I am no different from the guy sitting next to me in all my classes."

    A submarine group spokesman, Lt. Brian Wierzbicki, said the Navy would not facilitate photographs or interviews with the female submariners because it does not want to distract them from training or make them feel different from their male peers.

    The female officers will report to their submarines starting in late November or early December. All of the vessels are guided-missile attack submarines or ballistic-missile submarines, which are relatively large by submarine standards. They are the USS Wyoming and USS Georgia, based in Kings Bay, Ga., and the USS Maine and USS Ohio, with their home port in Bangor, Wash.

    On submarines with corridors barely wide enough for sailors to brush past one another, the six female officers on board will all share a stateroom. Their shifts will be divided so that women are assigned to each sub's two rotating crews. The lone bathroom for officers will have a reversible sign, letting men know that it's in use by women and vice versa.

    LeGrand said she is not concerned about being outnumbered.

    "Space is at a premium and everyone has no space. You just get over it and do your job," she said in a phone interview.

    She said she is thrilled at the opportunity to join the close-knit submarine community, but she does not dwell on being a barrier-breaker.

    "Every now and then I think about it and yeah, it's pretty cool, but ultimately I'm just happy I get chance to serve on a sub," she said.

    The change is a source of anxiety for others, including the wives of submariners, who worry the close contact at sea could lead to sailors' cheating.

    "The issue really has to do with the creation of a relationship that becomes very close and then results in further relations ashore. That is, of course, what bothers the wives. They know the kind of relationships that happen between the shipmates," said retired Navy Rear Adm. W.J. Holland Jr., a former submarine commander.

    Although Holland said commanders would be reluctant to have women on their subs, he said the Navy pulled off a more daunting challenge last year by outlawing smoking on submarines. The crews can adapt, he said.

    The Navy reversed the ban on women in submarines in April 2010. In the fall, when officials announced the first subs selected to take on female officers, senior leaders held town hall meetings with the crews and their families to address their concerns. Wierzbicki, the Navy spokesman, said training has been provided to the crews and commanding officers to prepare them for the change.

    Submarines had been the last class of military vessel off-limits to women. Navy officials say one lesson they learned from integrating surface ships is to make the transition gradually. The Navy wants to make sure it is aware of any potential issues that might arise, according to Lt. Cmdr. Jean Sullivan, chief of the naval personnel's office of women's policy.

    "There are going to be leadership challenges and maturity challenges anyone would face in their first job. There is just a spotlight on it because they're the first on submarines," Sullivan said.

    The chairwoman of the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services, retired Army Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, told a committee meeting last month that one risk is that men could feel constrained and resent the presence of women.

    "One of the issues around women being integrated is this thought that, 'Oh, now because you're here, we can't do XYZ,'" Kennedy said. "And that creates a greater sense of isolation and exclusion for women."

    The Navy is looking into bringing women aboard the smaller, Virginia-class attack subs, which would require reconfigurations to accommodate men and women together.

    LeGrand said the diverse missions of the attack subs would be appealing, but the larger submarines are just fine with her.

    As a semi-professional cyclist, she's hoping to serve on a sub large enough to bring aboard a stationary bike.

     

    2,857 comments

    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      Numerous partols and 8 years on missile boats....My concern is not privacy even though there isn't any, it's the bond of trust built by the consent condition of a war footing. Consent drilling and training develops a camaraderie between crew members. Will the females report aft during an engineering casuality? Can anyone say radiation? This goes against the policy in the Navy of putting the reactor spaces off limits to females of child bearing years. Will the females join in in having their heads shaved for crossing artic circle or dateline celebrations? I'm just wondering why Admiral Mullens wants to throw a wrench into a smooth working set of complicated gearing?
      • DC Michael 10 mths ago
        They will do their duty and have success or failure per their ability, same as any other young officer just getting started. They are aware of the risks. As for Navy traditions, I would expect no great changes, but probably some interesting variations!!
      • j 10 mths ago
        There goes the shell back initiation... For those sailors who know what I am talking about.
      • ... 10 mths ago
        I served in the US Navy, on a nuclear powered ship, starting in 2000. There is NO navy policy that has the reactor spaces off limits to women, of any age (although most females in the Navy are going to be young enough to be considered of childbearing age). The only policy there was, involved keeping all non-essential personnel out of confidential/restricted areas. Perhaps you have a personal experience from before the time that women were allowed into the nuclear propulsion program. I assure you that your information is almost 2 decades out of date...
    • A Yahoo User  •  10 mths ago
      A bicycle on a sub? Don't you know that every device on board that generates noise is a liability? Does the sailor think she is going on a cruise?
      • Jessica 10 mths ago
        Read a more recent posting...most of the big boats (subs) have exercise rooms, including a stationary bike.
    • matt  •  10 mths ago
      How many Americans know that women can serve aboard combat ships up to their six month of pregnancy? That's right America.It started in the Clinton administration. Bush kept it going .
      • Jessica 10 mths ago
        And? What's your point? Is this a good or bad thing? Believe it or not, that fact isn't obvious.
      • matt 10 mths ago
        It's not a good thing. I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was a good thing. Any nation that let's it pregnant women fight for it has cowards for leaders.
    • Kip  •  10 mths ago
      How about they just set up all female crews for some subs. No modifications needed.
      • Richard Walters 10 mths ago
        Subs with all female crews are a few years down the road yet. The women may be in training at this time, but training and practical experience are not the same thing. To have enough experience to operate a nuclear sub, they will need to work closely with their male shipmates who already have the experience. As their numbers increase, the chances are good that these first ladies who are going to serve with men will be future senior officers aboard an all female sub. Baby steps people, baby steps.
    • gadfly05  •  10 mths ago
      There is absolutely NO privacy on a submarine, and there are only very limited showering and sanitary accommodations. Bunks are 6 feet by 3 feet and stacked anywhere from two to four high. Officer's shared "staterooms" are about 6 feet by 6 feet, plus bunk space. In some deployment conditions showers are restricted or forbidden.

      Welcome aboard, ladies.
      • Jerry B 10 mths ago
        Female on her period and no shower for 2 weeks... welcome about guys.
      • Richard 10 mths ago
        I think the saying is, " hell on earth"
      • Lillian 10 mths ago
        they'll be fine...they aren't going through training for no reason.
    • Jeb  •  10 mths ago
      I was in the submarine force for 20 years. These ladies better have thick skin and not get offended easily. It is not a politcally correct environment.
    • Timothy  •  10 mths ago
      I have served in the Marine Corps............during that time I have come accross numerous females that claim to want to be a grunt. I personally feel that if they want to be a grunt they should get the chance ONLY if they can carry everything a man carries in their pack, with their duce gear on, flack jacket, cevlar helmet, water, food, ammo, and hump the hog, M60, and be able to carry a man either their size or twice there size, because when you are in combat I know I want the person next to me to be able to pull or carry me out if I get hit and I am pretty sure the man next to me wants the same thing. So if she can do EXACTLY the same things a man does then let her go, but DO NOT change anything just because she is a female.
    • Dan  •  10 mths ago
      how about we treat these ladies the exact same as one of the guys. thats what they really want anyway. no special treatment. no punches pulled
    • bob S  •  10 mths ago
      bad, bad idea...only asking for trouble, no begging for trouble..
    • Rachel  •  10 mths ago
      I was in the Navy for 9 years, stationed on an aircraft carrier, and the only comment I have to this story is about the Navy wives who worry about thier husbands cheating.

      1) Men will cheat if they want to; it doesn't matter if it is with a woman they work with or a woman who is standing on the pier, waiting for the sailors to get off the ship. I've seen it happen. It doesn't matter if they are on a sub or a bigger ship, it will happen if they want it to.

      2) If you can't trust your husband (or vice versa) you shouldn't have married someone who is going to be deployed and away from home for a long time.
    • steve  •  10 mths ago
      A very bad idea--first homosexuals being placed in close-combat environments, and now placing women in close quarters and workplaces for months at a time. Seems the Obama administraiton is in tune with the far-left's long-standing agenda of eventually weakening the
      military.
    • OldDan  •  10 mths ago
      From one who served on board the Madison SSBN627, she thinks she will bring her stationary bike on board? Sure, if she can keep it under her bunk. If she can bring her bike, I wanna bring my elephant. Just aint gonna happen. Aint no room for personal things of this nature.
    • Everyone  •  10 mths ago
      "As a semi-professional cyclist, she's hoping to serve on a sub large enough to bring aboard a stationary bike." Yeah, good luck. It's a #$%$ sub... There is barely enough room for the rest of the equipment onboard.
    • shammy  •  10 mths ago
      An example of how naive she is, when she thinks she can bring her bike on board! But yet in the same breath wants to be treated like everyone else LMAO! So if everyone brings their bikes, on-board what would that look like, to funny if it wasn't so sad/scary especially around nukes!! OMFG!
    • breukelin  •  10 mths ago
      i don't won't to hear a sexual harassment complaint and i don't won't to hear they couldn't jump in to protect one of the guys...no special rules for women...every soldier gets treated the same
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      LOL at the military wives who say their husbands will cheat...what do you think those very same wives have been doing all those times their husbands have been out to sea?
    • sam  •  10 mths ago
      this has nothing to do with women being able to do the job........but it has everything to do with harassment complaints.....its gonna happen
    • Billy Wilson  •  10 mths ago
      Instead of integrating the women into the crew, how about assigning an all female crew to a submarine, assign them the same mission as the others, and see how they perform.
      Retired CPO
    • J  •  10 mths ago
      I have no problem with women working on naval boats. But nature always takes its course, and relations WILL happen - no matter how professional the enviroment is. And with relations comes drama and this will only distract from everyday duties.
    • Jesse  •  10 mths ago
      If they ever have a ship full of only woman sailors, we'll have a first truly unmanned nuclear sub!
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