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    It's not the default, it's the downgrade

    It’s not the default that strikes the most fear in the White House and Congress these days. It’s the downgrade.

    Even Republican leaders say the country can’t go into default, and they’ll do everything possible to raise the debt limit by Aug. 2.

    But what really haunts the administration is the very real prospect, stoked two weeks ago by Standard & Poor’s, that Barack Obama could go down in history as the president who presided over his country’s loss of its gold-plated, triple-A bond rating.

    Obama could win and lose at the same time, striking a deal to avoid default but failing to pass muster on the substance of that deal with credit agencies, which could go ahead and downgrade the rating anyway.

    Financial analysts say such a move would hit Americans with more than $100 billion a year in higher borrowing costs, but it’s not just that. It would be a psychic blow to a nation that already looks over its shoulder at rising economic powers like China and wonders, what’s gone wrong? And it would give the president’s Republican rivals a ready-made line of attack that he’s dragging the country in the wrong direction.

    It’s what drives his Treasury Department into cajoling and pleading with the bond ratings agencies to be patient, like a harried coach working the refs from the sidelines.

    It’s a factor influencing Obama’s rejection of a short-term deal: The administration believes the ratings agencies won’t like it.

    And it’s what gives these little-known firms a powerful club that they’re wielding with gusto over Washington policy-makers. They hope to force a deal that not only raises the debt ceiling but also makes deep cuts in government spending and eats into the nation’s deficit.

    The threat of a downgrade “is very damaging to all of us, and that would be a product of the dysfunction of Congress” said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), who led a faction of House Democrats who argued for a “clean” debt-limit increase early in the process, only to watch escalating chatter about the “Armageddon” of a missed deal feed scrutiny of the nation’s fiscal health.

    S&P raised the threat of a downgrade July 14 by declaring that raising the debt limit alone might not be enough. It wanted to see an enforceable agreement to cut $4 trillion over 10 years to affirm the triple-A rating.

    Administration officials were shocked by the move. They suggested privately that it did not seem to square with prior S&P reports, which said the nation’s larger budget problems could be dealt with over several years. Some administration officials dismissed the S&P report as little more than amateur political prognostication by people with limited understanding of how Washington works.

    But the White House’s statements in the past week show a downgrade is now top of mind. Obama himself invoked the country’s triple-A rating in a rare prime-time address Monday as he outlined the consequences of default.

    “For the first time in history, our country’s triple-A credit rating would be downgraded, leaving investors around the world to wonder whether the United States is still a good bet,” Obama said. “Interest rates would skyrocket on credit cards, on mortgages and on car loans, which amounts to a huge tax hike on the American people. We would risk sparking a deep economic crisis — this one caused almost entirely by Washington.”

    Nearly every debt-limit conversation on Capitol Hill is infused with debate over the potential for either a downgrade, a default, or both. Democrats have embraced the argument of the White House: A short-term plan could result in a debilitating downgrade even if default is avoided.

    Republicans are moving forward with their two-phase plan, but they’ve shown some concern about the possibility of ratings agencies scarring America’s creditworthiness. There’s significant disagreement in the GOP about the prospects of default and downgrade, and some lawmakers believe the administration and congressional leaders have created a false panic to box them into voting to raise the debt ceiling.

    “The reality is these rating agencies have no idea how to rate a $17 trillion economy like the United States,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) told radio host Don Imus on Monday. “They have no idea how to rate the debt worthiness of a $14 trillion debt like the United States.”

    The truth is that Capitol Hill has less insight into the workings of the marketplace than the investment gurus on Wall Street, and even they have varying views on the potential for a downgrade.

    There is also no clear sense of how the ratings agencies would ultimately judge the two major plans in the mix.

    The Senate Democratic proposal calls for a one-time increase in the debt limit through the 2012 elections coupled with $1.7 trillion in spending cuts and about $1 trillion in savings from winding down the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

    The House Republican bill would raise the debt limit in two phases and mandate a deficit cut of $3 trillion.

    But the second debt limit increase next year would depend on Congress adopting the recommendations of new 12-member legislative committee for $1.8 trillion in cuts — far from certain, given the polarized political environment. That lack of certainty could raise concerns with the ratings agencies, Democrats said.

    Aiming for any ounce of advantage, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) argued Tuesday that his plan would shield the country from a ratings drop, while Boehner’s plan would not — a statement Boehner’s office contested.

    “The $3 trillion House plan is the only one on the table that forces Congress to take on the drivers of our debt,” said Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck, adding that the Reid plan relies on war savings, “an accounting gimmick that will have zero real-world impact on our deficit.”

    On a Tuesday conference call with reporters, bank analysts predicted the odds of a default are close to zero, but warned that a downgrade is a growing possibility.

    An agreement that sustains a top-notch rating would have to include $3 trillion to $4 trillion in budget deficit cuts over the next decade, said Terry Belton, global head of fixed income strategy at JPMorgan Chase.

    Not just that, said Mike Hanson, senior U.S. economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, but credit agencies also want the ultimate plan to have strong bipartisan backing.

    “It really is important that we need to have a deal that is fairly comprehensive and has fairly broad support,” Hanson stressed.

    A single downgrade might have limited market impact. But a move by all three main ratings agencies — S&P, Moody’s Investor Service and Fitch Ratings — would likely force huge investment funds that must hold only the safest of bonds to sell en masse. The scary headlines associated with a first-in-history downgrade also could cause smaller investors to panic and dump stocks.

    In a recent interview with POLITICO, David T. Beers, head of sovereign ratings at S&P, said the July 14th report was not a major shift and simply reflected an increased concern that there is no clear path to significant deficit reduction.

    “What we are focused on is not the debt ceiling but the underlying state of public finances,” said Beers, a London-based executive who has conducted multiple meetings with administration officials.

    In order to maintain a triple-A rating, Beers said, “what would have to emerge would be something that has a material impact on the underlying fiscal issues.”

    “None of us know what this agreement is going to look like,” Beers said. “For us to think it is credible it would first of all have to show some choices about what the fiscal priorities are and be actionable in ways that would give us confidence that it is going to be implemented.”

    Josh Boak and Jonathan Allen contributed to this report.

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    2,849 comments

    • Charles  •  7 mths ago
      I think it's a for gone conclusion that the downgrade will happen. Standard and poor has said that the cuts need to be in the 4 trillion dollar range for the down grade not to happen. That's 4 trillion of real cuts and not smoke and mirrors like the present plans. The chickens have come home to roost...
    • Burns You  •  6 mths ago
      Think Bin Laden hired the TP about a year before he was killed
    • Jerry  •  7 mths ago
      Spend it where you earn it......RIGHT HERE IN THE U.S.A.
    • Smegma  •  7 mths ago
      Politicians and their corporate friends have over time totally destroyed what once was the best country on earth. This was done at expense of the WORKING class, their money, blood and sweat. Now these same corrupt, rotten, self-serving, spineless, back-stabbing sob’s are supposedly trying to “balance the budget” for the rest of us ?! Budget they themselves f-ed up. Am I the only one here who is convinced this cannot, and will not work?! It’s like putting fox in charge of the hen house…or a drunk in charge of a liquor store. The prudent thing to do is to purge every single one of these morons, and bring in some fresh blood and ideas from the WORKING class. Why do you always elect the same “highly educated” individuals who never ever had a real job, those with zero common sense and rationale? Think before you vote, and don’t listen to propaganda machine.
    • Gene  •  7 mths ago
      Re-election, that's what they are really worried about.
    • Deborah  •  7 mths ago
      This is a Sad time in this country! Our leaders, representatives, senators, etc. DO NOT have the knowledge, or skills to run the country they were Elected too. They are all about special interest
      groups, politics!!! They will destroy us, good God I wish we could just Fire all of Them.!
    • Robert E  •  7 mths ago
      Why do we keep voting these people in office? They are a bunch of used car salesmen!!
    • TKZ  •  6 mths ago
      Countries should go to China for aid now. America is done being the tooth fairy.
    • Carrie White  •  6 mths ago
      Our country has been set up to go down.
    • Lie  •  7 mths ago
      I think we can all agree that we are in a BIG mess...
    • Vermicious Knid  •  7 mths ago
      Aren't these ratings agencies the same bozos that gave excellent credit ratings to all those crummy mortgage-backed securities that turned out to be junk back in 2008? Why are we still taking them
      seriously?
    • mallen  •  7 mths ago
      We owe $14.3 TRILLION dollars and people are surprised that they want to downgrade our credit rating?
    • Capitalistic  •  7 mths ago
      The sins of the fathers have finally caught up with the sons (and future generations of sons and daughters). All politicians have been playing fast and loose with our money for decades and the house of cards will no longer stand. Everybody wants to tax the rich. But even if we taxed every cent of everyone who makes over $250,000 a year we would still need to borrow almost a trillion dollars. We have to quit spending beyond our means, bring back jobs that have been moved to China, India, etc., close the borders to illegals, and fire the President and Congress for running us over the cliff.
    • Myco  •  7 mths ago
      The downgrade is coming no matter what. Focus on the future and how to control spending.
    • Randy  •  7 mths ago
      The first cuts that should be made are the salaries, cola, retirement, health care and travel expenses of all politicians and then enact term limits for congress.
    • Harrison  •  7 mths ago
      Sen. Barack Obama’s Floor Speech, March 20, 2006 — “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
    • Citizen  •  7 mths ago
      it's sad to say, but our government has gangrene, we need to purge all the toxicity out of government, right down to the town level we live in.
    • David  •  7 mths ago
      The Quote of the Decade
      “The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”
      -- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006


      Google: " obama debt ceiling 2006 " for numerous references including ABC and NYT
      I did this google. This quote is absolutely true.
      Oh, and I'm almost certain NO member of the 'lame-stream-media' has Ever asked him about this. And No journalist from Fox News COULD ask him because, in case you haven't noticed, they're Never called on at his press conferences. Peace.
    • Oliver Klozoff  •  7 mths ago
      How long would your credit score stay high if you owed more than you make in a year and you were maxing out your credit cards as quick as you got 'em?
    • White Dove  •  7 mths ago
      Get out of the Middle East, stop borrowing Money to give other Countries, stop giving subsidies to Big Business. that's easy, than pay our Bills and worry about our citizens. education and the infrastructure...See hoe easy it is DC??
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