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    Can Obama Really Use The 14th Amendment To Raise The Debt Limit?

    Here is the scenario that is becoming all too possible-

    It is Tuesday morning, August 2nd 2011. The Boehner Bill to raise the debt limit has gone down to instant defeat in the Senate. In turn, the Reid Bill, assuming it was not filibustered out of existence in the Senate, has been defeated in the House.

    Meanwhile, Minority Leader McConnell, who has refused to negotiate a resolution with Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, meets with the president but nothing is going anywhere.

    It is do or die day.

    The President appears to have two choices – he can allow the nation to default and then instruct the Treasury Department to pick and choose which of the nation’s bills we will pay, or he can raise the debt ceiling on his own relying on Section 4 of the 14th Amendment.

    While the Supreme Court has yet to rule on what the President’s power might be when it comes to usurping the powers of Congress so as to avoid the catastrophe of defaulting on our credit obligations, the highest court in the land has ruled on whether or not the executive branch can pick and choose which bills it will pay and which bills they will not.

    According to SCOTUS, the President does not have the power to make these choices.

    Writes UCLA Law Professor Jonathan Zasloff, an expert in this area of the law,

    In Clinton v. New York, the Supreme Court struck down the line-item veto, arguing that the President is not allowed to pick and choose among provisions of a duly enacted piece of budget legislation even if Congress has given him to power to do so.

    Keep in mind that raising the debt ceiling is about allowing for the payment of obligations already authorized by Congress. It’s not about having more money to spend on future government expenditures or programs. Rather, it is permitting the President to borrow enough money to pay the bills created when Congress authorized certain payments, thus requiring the President, by law,  to make those payments.

    As a result of Clinton v. New York, the Treasury not only does not have the Constitutional right to decide which of the bills previously authorized by Congress it will or will not pay, even the Congress is not permitted to tell the President what bills he should and shouldn’t pay or give him a general authorization to make those choices.

    Thus, it would appear clear that were the President to instruct the Treasury Secretary to start picking the winners and the losers, he would be acting in direct contravention of the Supreme Court’s ruling and, as such, would be using his powers in an unconstitutional manner.

    So, if the President wishes not to run afoul of Clinton v. New York, his only remaining choice would be to claim the Constitutional power to act in order to forestall a national catastrophe and choose to raise the debt ceiling on his own.

    I can hear some of you wondering who gets to decide what is and what is not a catastrophe? You're thinking that just because Obama says it is a catastrophe doesn't mean it actually is a disaster. Indeed, according to Rep. Michele Bachmann and others, nothing bad is going to happen if we default come Tuesday night.

    However, there are enough economists out there, not to mention a majority of the nation if the polls are to be believed, to support the notion that default would, indeed, be catastrophic. Thus, the President would likely not be nailed for improperly deeming the situation a catastrophic event just to grab some Constitutional power away from Congress.

    Where Obama is more likely to get into trouble is dealing with the question of whether or not a unilateral raising of the debt ceiling is Constitutional- catastrophe or not.

    So - is it Constitutional?

    Your guess is as good as mine as the Supreme Court has never addressed the question.

    But here is what we do know - or think we know.

    Section 4 of the 14th Amendment reads-

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    In order to attempt to work out whether or not this grants the President the power to act without Congress in this regard, let’s look at the history behind this Amendment.

    Section 4 of the 14th Amendment was the direct result of a concern, following the Civil War, that members of Congress from states that previously formed the Confederacy would attempt to block the country from paying the bills incurred by the North during the war. After all, the Congress wasn't about to pay for the Confederacy's war bills leaving the Southern states to face their obligations on their own. This did not make the Southern caucus very happy. To insure that this would not be a problem, Congress passed the 14th Amendment and put it out to the states for ratification, making it clear that the North's bills would be paid by Constitutional requirement while the South's would expressly not be covered by the government.

    While the situation then is not clearly on point with now, there are some similarities.

    What you had following the Civil War was the introduction of new Congressmen from what had been the Confederacy. Obviously, they had not been a part of Congress when the appropriations were made to pay the bills of the Northern army. When they arrived, they took the position that they were not interested in honoring those commitments of a previous Congress because it was not in their interest to do so-especially when Congress was unwilling to pay the war debts incurred by these Confederate States.

    That is somewhat analogous to what we have happening today in the Congress.

    The debts incurred that we will need to borrow more money to pay for were authorized and appropriated by prior Congresses. Now, we have an influx of Tea Party members who do not wish to honor those obligations because they don’t like that these prior Congresses ran up these debts - just as the members of Congress arriving from what was once the Confederacy didn’t like that previous Congresses authorized payment of the costs of the Civil War for the North- but had, obviously, not authorized payment for their one-time enemy.

    Thus, there would appear to be some historical precedent -if not legal precedent - that says that the debt ceiling must be raised because the Constitution requires we pay those bills that Congress has already authorized and commanded the President to pay.

    So, what happens if President Obama should take this road?

    The first question is whether or not the Administration caneven be sued in court, thus setting up the opportunity for the Supreme Court to review the action.

    In law, there is something called having ‘standing’ to sue. Nobody can get help from any court of law if they do not have standing to bring an action in the first place.

    While you might imagine that Congress and/or American taxpayers who disagree with the President’s actions would be in such a position, it is nowhere nearly as clear as you would think.

    1. In order to have standing in a federal court, a plaintiff must -

    (a)   be able to show that the plaintiff has suffered an injury and that the injury must be actual or imminent, distinct and palpable and not distract;

    (b)   have a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of so that the injury can be traced to the actions of the defendant; and

    (c)   be likely that a favorable court decision will redress the injury.

    Can anyone really say that they have been injured by the President’s deciding to pay the debts our elected officials, past or present, have already authorized and ordered him to pay?

    Wouldn’t that be like saying that you have been injured by your bank when they have the nerve to ask you to pay your mortgage pursuant to a contract you previously signed but now have decided that you don’t care to pay going forward?

    If you think that, by being a taxpayer, you have standing to sue the President for spending your money, think again.

    The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that- except in cases where taxpayers have challenged that the government has allocated funds in a way that violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment-the conduct of the federal government, when it comes to spending your tax dollars, is too far removed from the taxpayer to constitute an ‘injury’ for purposes of determining standing.

    Oh well. Surely, Congress can sue for us, right?

    Not so much. Congressional Members have typically failed in efforts to sue an Administration as Courts have ruled that Members of Congress lack the standing to do so just as taxpayers do as discussed above.

    So, what happens?

    Probably nothing happens.

    While there is a chance that a loud cry will arise in the House of Representatives calling for the impeachment of the President for violating the Constitution, a cry that might lead to a vote of impeachment in that body, the Senate will never convict as a 2/3 vote is required to do so and there aren’t enough Republicans to make that happen.

    Either way, if the Congress fails to reach an agreement on raising the debt ceiling that the President is willing to sign, the President will find himself in the position of having to choose between two actions, each presenting difficult questions of Constitutionality.

    Talk about being stuck between a Ba-rack and a hard place.

    Clearly, anyone who wants to be President of this country in the times we live in should have his or her head examined.

    contact Rick at thepolicypage@gmail.com

    Twitter @rickungar

     

     

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    853 comments

    • britainmal  •  9 mths ago
      Here are your choices:, make the poor suffer and continue to be the world cop or help Americans recover and cut out from being the world police.
    • Linda Loo  •  10 mths ago
      Hey anonymous get your facts straight. Social Security and Medicare are not social programs. They were bought and paid for by the American people. And, by the way they still are. This problem was caused by the government using money that was for Social Security paid in by Social Security taxes for other projects . They took is out of a special account and used for other things. In the private sector, that called embezzling. You and I would go to jail. Politicians write it off as business as ususal. It doesn't matter if there was a contract or not. The government is threatening to default of monies that belong the people rather than disappoint our foreign interests abroad. Social Security and Medicare are not entitlements, they are paid for. Medicaid is something else. IT benefits people who may not have paid in a dime. It ticks me off that some people believe the lie.
      • namvet 10 mths ago
        Yep. Right-on, Linda Loo.
      • mattthew 10 mths ago
        Hey Linda - people will pay 150k in their life and get 900k worth of benifts, yeah that sounds think someone whos paid in. In 10 years SS and Medicare will be the ENTIRE budget of the US with 10k new people a day. so Even with the 2 trillion that was taken out of the fund.....THERES STILL NO MONEY!!!
      • No Way 10 mths ago
        Matthew get your math straight, raise SS until you are 68 before you get it, well look in the obiturary section of the newspaper. Most people don't get what they pay in, they die soon after retirement. The SSI and Medicaid people pay nothing, it comes from you and I, yes it come from our checks look at your check stub baby. To many people that are young are getting on the draw, and the hell with the older people. Matthew you will be there soon very soon if you live long enough. PS no way the elder get 900k worth of benefits before dieing....get the picture
    • Billy TX  •  10 mths ago
      In reading the comments posted here and on other websites about congress not being able to agree how to tackle the deficit and raising the country's borrowing limit, it is clear to me that the stalemate also extends to grass roots of the general public. I have never heard so many disparaging comments about our fellow citizens from Americans! I remember a time not so long ago on 9/11/01 when we stood together as one America, right or wrong. We again need to become "One country, under God, with liberty and justice for all". God bless our country and our leaders.
      • FEDUP 10 mths ago
        I refuse to stand with liberal fools like Harry Reid and BO and all the fricking idiots who vote so stupidly as to put these traitors in office!
    • Hugh  •  9 mths ago
      These 2 parties have used social security as there personal piggy bank to pay for every program imaginable thats why there saying its going broke,we need a 3rd party to clean up the mess these 2 have caused,and term limits.
      • Alex 9 mths ago
        this is not true. social security SURPLUS funds....are borrowed from the SS Trust Fund, at an interest bearing rate by the Federal Government.....they use a special bond.... The bonds are paid back, including interest by the government as funds are needed/as the time stamped (1yr, 5yr, 30yr..for example)...bonds mature. This transaction ensures that the money sitting in the SS Trust Fund's accounts....grows over time. Otherwise it would just sit there LOSING VALUE with inflation. In other words....the money has to be (in order to be fiscally prudent) invested somewhere. NOW....I suppose they could use it to buy stocks, or corporate bonds....foreign bonds.....hmmm....maybe Greece's bonds perhaps.....maybe they'd luck out and bankroll the next Google....BUT, all of that involves RISK that the money could be lost....and wouldn't be there for the SS recipient to receive in the future. SO...they in effect take the safest path...by loaning it back to the American people....through these special bonds.
      • Alex 9 mths ago
        The VAST majority of the US budget is spent on national defense. Having millions of men and women in uniform.....equipment, bases... weapons...etc..... EVERY ONE OF THEM.....gets a salary....health care, a pension....etc. Throughout history. So remember....we (the tax payer) are paying them.....their spouses, and kids....FOR THE DURATION OF THEIR LIVES. And, we should be, it's the right thing to do. BUT.... SECURITY COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. PROJECTING AMERICAN INFLUENCE around the world....ALL THESE THINGS....are extremely expensive. AND YOU WANT IT.....right??? Only.....you don't want to pay for it. It's easier to blame the President... blame the party in power...or out of power.....BUT, LOOK IN THE MIRROR.... you are to blame, and me, and the rest of the voters....who act like schizophrenic *ssholes when election season comes around....and spend all our time figuring out how to vote the other guy out of office...instead of electing people who can work together for the COMMON GOOD.
      • Alex 9 mths ago
        So, we get what we deserve....because for whatever reason it is, and I don't know why...we just can't seem to agree that we want government to work for all of us....for the country, and all it's citizens...as a whole.......instead we act selfishly and myopically....trying to get it to work for some, and to use it against others...... which, is sad....
    • Dusty  •  9 mths ago
      congress carries the money bag not the executive branch.
    • THE WORKS JR.  •  10 mths ago
      Well, here we have history in the making.
      • whale 10 mths ago
        Not really, we have defaulted before. We routinely failed to pay our creditors in the first 25-50 years of our nation.

        We did not get on solid footing until we started selling off our western lands for revenues.

        whale
    • Gerald  •  10 mths ago
      Just turn the AC off for both the Senate and House and see how fast they figure a way to settle this.
    • Nonuna  •  10 mths ago
      "Clearly, anyone who wants to be President of this country in the times we live in should have his or her head examined."

      No truer words have ever been written.
      • Roger 10 mths ago
        Any jackass could do what they are doing now.
      • arcticterrier 10 mths ago
        And any jackass ('s) are
    • 2 Party System is BROKEN  •  10 mths ago
      HIGH SCHOOL ECONOMICS: If you WAGE WAR, you must RAISE REVENUE
    • Cat  •  10 mths ago
      We need to keep our money here at home. Slash foreign aid or eliminate payments to
      countries that hate us. This policy has gone too long. We cannot take care of everyone
      in the world anymore. I agree with Donald Trump that China has been laughing in our faces
      regarding imports into our country. We have to have a higher tax from China for bringing
      their products into our country. I am outraged what we have borrowed from this country.
      It is like a noose around the governments neck. This way of governing has got to stop.
    • Derrick  •  9 mths ago
      In reality, we can void any debt owed to China. They still need to pay us for World War II. Russia still needs tp pay us for World War II. England and France still need to pay us for World War II. The Russian debt was called lend-lease, not gifted unto thou.
    • Allen  •  10 mths ago
      Stop listening to the lies. There is no debt ceiling, that's a word-trick congress invented to mess with you. Once they commit to make the payment, they cannot refuse to pay it without first repealing the commitment, and some of those can't be repealed, such as pensions already begun and military pay (it's a contract, not just a job!).
    • Bubba  •  10 mths ago
      Enough already! My suggestion is that no one gets a pay check in the House or the Senate. As hard working Americans, if we don't do the job we were hired for we would lost our jobs. I wonder how many people called or emailed their elected Congress party. I would really like to know what that number is?
    • BOBLHC  •  10 mths ago
      I agree SS & Medicare are off the table and are already funded. raising the debt by Obama i agree that is the way the Constitution is written. Now lets get to the Budget thats were the meat is, just stop funding and cut the Budget and pay down the deficit. That uses the Constitution as written.
    • mallen  •  10 mths ago
      Obama is saying he will not guarantee Social Security checks if the debt ceiling isn't raised. Why is it the scare always has to do with SS, Medicare, & our Soldiers pay? Why use seniors, Soldiers, & the needy as examples?

      Why not stop your pay, your staff’s pay, and Congress’ pay to save more money for our country? Take the money from those who take no risks and reap the benefits, then see how fast they resolve the debt ceiling crisis!
    • Mark  •  10 mths ago
      and since when do these guys let what the Constitution says guide them in their actions. They have been bypassing it up to now anyway without any consequence. We should just eliminate the oath of office that they all take to uphold the constitution. What a bunch of punks, all of them!
    • Go Browns  •  10 mths ago
      One step closer to another American Revolution.
    • sith  •  10 mths ago
      Why don't the banks step up and bail US out this time?
    • Vern  •  10 mths ago
      People are confusing two issues. The first issue deals with paying the existing obligations. The 14th Amendment would seem to pretty clearly say the country has to pay our existing obligations. Every President take an oath to uphold the Constitution. The second issue has to do with addressing our deficit and ultimately paying off the national debt.

      I am all for eliminating the deficit - which is the only way to retire the national debt. Anyone who thinks this can be done just through spending cuts does not understand the numbers.

      Let's keep the issues separate and act like grown-ups.

      I would suggest returning to the tax rates in place the last time we had a budget surplus (for those who need a reminder - that would be while Clinton was in office). Heck, I'd even be satisified with starting with a return to the tax rates in place when Reagan was in office.
    • namvet  •  10 mths ago
      Some are quick to state naively that this is all a "political game" and nothing will happen if a solution isn't found by Tuesday. This situation is seeing a lot of political gamesmanship, but the U.S. going into default is no game - it's very serious and has possible catastrophic consequences for our already weak economy, not to mention the world's economy.
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