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    Obama Tax Reform Outline Draws Skeptics

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner today outlined President Obama's plan to overhaul business taxes, including the elimination of dozens of loopholes and a reduction in the corporate tax rate to 28 percent, which some critics say is not low enough.

    The proposals also include a minimum tax on foreign earnings, although he provided no details.

    "We want to restore a system in which American businesses succeed or fail based on the products they make and the services they provide, not on the creativity of their tax engineers or the lobbyists they hire," Geithner said in his remarks.

    He said that tax overhaul, which analysts say has little chance of being implemented this year, will be "politically contentious."

    Curtis Dubay, senior tax policy analyst with the conservative Heritage Foundation, said there's "little chance of approval this year" because it is an election year and "because it will be easily recognized as making matters worse than better."

    Read a comparison of the presidential candidates' tax reform plans.

    William Gale, co-director of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, said today's proposal shows how difficult it will be to enact major corporate tax legislation, adding that taxation of business income in the United States is "very confusing and uneven."

    "Some income is taxed twice, some once at the individual level but not the corporate level, some once at the corporate level but not the business level, some not at all," Gale said. "That unevenness in taxation across different uses of capital is not helpful to the economy."

    The difficulties include moving beyond industry-specific subsidies, interest deductions, depreciation versus expensing, and the treatment of "pass-throughs" and partnerships, among other technical issues.

    Geithner said he has spoken to Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who is chairman of the Finance Committee, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, the committee's ranking Republican, and Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., saying they plan to meet next week to build consensus.

    "A key test of any reform should be whether the net impact of the changes improves the incentives for investing in the United States," Geithner said.

    The president has said corporate tax reform is necessary to increase the competitiveness of the U.S. economy and maximize investment and growth.

    "As I said in the State of the Union, it is time to stop rewarding businesses that ship jobs overseas, and start rewarding companies that create jobs right here in America," the president said in a statement after Geithner's briefing.

    Geithner shared five key elements of the president's proposals. In addition to eliminating loopholes to lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent and proposing a minimum tax on foreign earnings, the other three elements were strengthening manufacturing and innovation, including reducing the effective rate on manufacturing to no more than 25 percent; simplifying and cutting taxes for small businesses; and implementing the changes without adding to the deficit.

    Scott Brown, chief economist with Raymond James, said there is broad agreement for fundamental tax overhaul.

    "As a broad tax reform plan, there's a lot to like," Brown said. "But the devil is in the details, which aren't there."

    Many firms would be unwilling to exchange their tax breaks and loopholes for a lower tax rate, Brown said, "but it depends on the specific numbers, which weren't included in this proposal."

    The proposals to expand the tax credit for research and development and to lower the maximum tax rate for manufacturers to 25 percent should be helpful for the economy, Brown said. But he said the lower corporate tax rate is unlikely to get much traction in Congress.

    Beyond the scope of this proposal, he said there are significant fiscal policy restraints in 2013 as the Bush tax cuts expire, the payroll tax reduction ends and spending cuts take effect, as a result of the failure of the so-called super committee to reach a consensus before Thanksgiving.

    "Most likely, we'll see efforts to extend tax cuts and limit spending cuts after the election," Brown said.

    Regarding industry-specific incentives, Gale said he preferred a system that taxes non-renewable energy over the proposed renewable energy subsidy, and he was not in favor of the manufacturing deduction.

    "A subsidy to any one particular area is the equivalent of a net tax increase on everyone else," he said, adding that the administration's framework is "very good" on that score generally, removing a whole range of subsidies.

    "I don't think that manufacturing merits special treatment, from an economic viewpoint," Gale said. "And from a political viewpoint, I am worried that once one starts introducing special treatment of one area of the economy, it undermines the case that other areas shouldn't also get special treatment."

    The Heritage Foundation's Dubay said the president's plan does not lower the corporate tax rate enough, saying the United States is one of the few countries that taxes its businesses on income they earn in foreign markets.

    Republican presidential candidates Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich each said they would make the statutory rate even lower, cutting it to 17.5, 15 and 12.5 percent, respectively.

    "The plan reduces the rate but makes things a lot worse for international businesses," Dubay said, citing the proposed minimum tax on foreign earnings.

    Tax policy now provides a deferral so companies are taxed when they bring money earned abroad back to the United States.

    Gale of the Tax Policy Center said reducing the corporate rate to 28 percent would get the United States more in line with other countries.

    A senior administration official said "it's very difficult" to go below 28 percent while maintaining some tax incentives for U.S. economic interests.

    ABC News' Devin Dwyer contributed to this report.

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    12 comments

    • John Boner  •  3 mths ago
      Here here! -- -- - "We want to restore a system in which American businesses succeed or fail based on the products they make and the services they provide, not on the creativity of their tax engineers or the lobbyists they hire,"
      • ettucat 3 mths ago
        Are they also speaking of the lobbyists Obama hired?
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        Boner: Sounds a lot like GOP policy to me.
      • John Boner 3 mths ago
        GOP policy is basically giving corporations anything they want. Notcutting their loopholes.
    • ettucat  •  3 mths ago
      Did the ad at the top of this page give you a hearty laugh, as it did me? What he is fighting for is to bury you in debt, take more of your money to pay it off, and make certain you have no other place to turn, except to BIG Federal Gov't. Obama knows what you need, and how you should live your lives. Just shut your mouths and do as he says. He is trying hard to make his daddy proud.
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        Ettucat: Your inference is that the GOP does not think it should tell us how to live.

        You are WRONG.
    • Jerico kane  •  Englewood, Colorado  •  3 mths ago
      ~~~"We want to restore a system in which American businesses succeed or fail based on the products they make and the services they provide,

      Explain to be how that works with Union labor, and Government bail outs.
    • STEVE H  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      I wouldn't believe anything tax cheat Geithner has to say about taxes and that goes for Odumba also.
      • lefty 3 mths ago
        Wish I could give you 10 thumbs up!!!
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        Steve: So what, no one asked you too.

        Lefty: What a GREAT wish. By the way, left handed people are marks of the Devil.
    • ettucat  •  3 mths ago
      It has become a trademark of the current Administration; reams and reams of paper, a great deal of vague wording, and no NUMBERS included. How transparent, at least with regard to the character and integrity of those drafting this killing agenda of the Leftists.
    • Ray  •  3 mths ago
      When you have been in office for four years now it isn't my "plan"
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        Ray: Your comment makes no sense.
    • JAMES  •  Flint, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      We do not need this sort of flimflam tax reforms we need to scrap the whole mess and have a simpler and flatter system. BO wants to continue to use the tax code to force behavior that suits his agenda rather than tax us in a fair manner for all. BO leading from the rear as usual.
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        James: Umm, familiarize yourself with the plan and the tax code; the reason that the rates would going down is because the current 35% rate is full of loopholes, which would be eliminated; hence, the plan WOULD be simpler, flatter and more fair.
        A GOP'er spouting off from the backseat lacking good foundation . . . as usual.
      • JAMES 3 mths ago
        Hadtasay you seem to have a bit of attitude going for you if nothing else. I want a complete comprehensive reform of our tax system not the sort of politically motivated dribble BO is pushing. The tax code should not be used to force political agendas from one administration to the next. That's what created the abomination we have for a tax code now. If you would drop the attitude you would be much more interesting. You know nothing about me but you insult me. I would like to think your a bigger man than that.
      • Tow Mater 3 mths ago
        James: You criticized the President as one who doesn't show leadership. At the same time, he is advancing the exact type of agenda that you are advocating. One result of the current tax code is that effective tax rates across the board are NOT flat often due to creative lawyering (remember GE)? Now, like I said, the proposed plan would be simpler, flatter, and more fair.
        Do you really think the current tax system will be quashed in toto so we can start over again? That's way too radical. Still, you criticize the President for pushing in the direction that you want to go.
        Do you really think any tax code is not about political agendas, despite the fact that your own recommendation is too based upon a political agenda?
        Do you really think I don't know you? Well I know this, you are calling the President a poor leader, even though his plan does exactly what is feasible in terms of reform; reform that is in line with your ultimate goal (insofar as taxes go). Hence, being that he is the recognized leader of the nation (the front seat driver, figuratively speaking), and you are (as I assume) a citizen of the nation (in the back seat) besmirching him despite your inconsistent position ... yes, I would say you are a GOP'er (and I admit I am making a guess there) that is "spouting off" (perhaps not the nicest way to put it) from the backseat without good foundation.
        And you are probably right, I probably shouldn't have put it quite that way; perhaps I did because I have become fed up with the more boisterous GOP'ers who simply hate the President (or oppose anything that he puts forth) simply because he is Black.
    • local guy  •  3 mths ago
      Again no details just more hot air.....geez when will he actually do something instead of just talking about what we SHOULD do. Anyone who votes for this idiot twice is a complete #$%$
    • That guy over there  •  3 mths ago
      obama....the saviour of America!

      Obama 12!
    • Tow Mater  •  3 mths ago
      I am sure that the President's \ Tax Cuts are throwing a lot of GOP'ers for a loop. They just don't know what to make of it; on one hand they are conditioned to think ANYTHING that "Obduma" does is BAD (mostly because he's Black); but on the other hand, they are also conditioned to think "tax cuts are good." HAHA. This explains the lack of Yahoo-GOP'er commentary here.
    • Lcpd  •  3 mths ago
      corportate taxes are at an all time low! Bush gave major tax cuts, it doesnt do #$%$ Trickle-down theory doesn't work. I'm not saying to raise their taxes a ton, but i support a 35% tax or 40% tax. Dont believe me? google "U.S debt clock" , its the first one. then look at the amount of income tax we get, compared to the corporate tax revenue. hmmm....considering how big our economy is and profitiable U.S companies are, shouldnt it be alot more?
    • lee  •  Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  3 mths ago
      I'm skeptical,AFTER the Republicans add changes,the corps WILL come out ahead.
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