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    Obama's best jobs plan might be status quo

    WASHINGTON (AP) — First, do no harm. Economists say the most important part of the jobs plan President Barack Obama will unveil Thursday night is the renewal of two measures already in place — a cut in Social Security taxes and emergency aid for the unemployed.

    His new proposals, like spending more for transportation projects and cutting taxes for companies that hire the unemployed, probably wouldn't add many jobs, they say. Not soon, anyway.

    "These are not bold, new, big programs," says Nariman Behravesh, chief economist with IHS Global Insight. "You put everything together, it's going to be pretty small."

    The job market needs big help. In August, the economy generated zero job growth. And the unemployment rate is 9.1 percent, a level more typical for a recession than for a recovery in its third year.

    For Obama, who also faces sinking approval ratings as he goes before a joint session of Congress and on national TV, the options are limited. Congress must approve any new measures, and congressional Republicans oppose new spending.

    "Anything that would be of a big enough size to really help the labor market is going to have trouble getting through Congress," says Michael Hanson, senior economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch. "And anything that can get through Congress will be too small to be much help."

    Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde and other economists have urged Congress to do more to help job growth and the economy over the next year or two — and worry about cutting spending later.

    Economist Barry Bosworth of the Brookings Institution, for example, says the government needs to spend $700 billion to $800 billion a year to generate healthy job growth.

    Obama's plan was still being shaped Wednesday. Here are the ideas the White House is considering:

    — Extending, for one year, a cut in the payroll tax that supports Social Security. The cut, part of a deal struck last December by Obama and Republicans, reduces the tax to 4.2 percent from 6.2 percent on the first $106,800 a person makes. That amounts to $1,000 a year for someone earning $50,000.

    Keeping the tax cut would cost the government $110 billion to $115 billion. The research firm Macroeconomic Advisers estimates it would support 400,000 jobs in 2012. The theory: More money in people's pockets increases demand for goods and services across the economy, and businesses have to have enough workers to keep up.

    The problem is that keeping the tax cut doesn't create jobs where they didn't exist before.

    "It's in the 'Do no harm' camp," says economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute. "We have that support now, so it's not going to gain us anything. It's just a matter of: If we let it go, we lose."

    Critics of this approach also point out that the extra money in people's paychecks this year has mostly been eaten up by higher gasoline prices.

    "Continuing the payroll tax cut is tempting," says John Makin, economist at the American Enterprise Institute. "But I have to ask, if I look at the results, is it worth an increase in the deficit and debt?"

    ___

    — Keeping emergency unemployment benefits for another year. Unemployment checks put money in the hands of people who are likely to spend it immediately, helping businesses and making them more likely to hire.

    Macroeconomic Advisers estimates that another year of emergency unemployment benefits would support 200,000 jobs in 2012.

    Critics say unemployment benefits discourage some people from aggressively seeking work. Researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco have concluded that unemployment benefits keep the unemployment rate about 0.4 percentage point higher than it would be otherwise.

    The unemployed used to get 26 weeks of benefits. During the recession, Congress extended it to as much as 99 weeks — almost two years — in states with high unemployment.

    Obama may back a national version of a Georgia program that encourages businesses to provide on-the-job training for people receiving unemployment benefits. About a third of the time, the workers wind up getting hired full-time.

    ___

    —Offering tax incentives to businesses to hire the unemployed. Under consideration is an expanded version of a law passed last year that encouraged companies to hire the unemployed. The law exempted employers from paying their share of the Social Security tax when they created jobs for those unemployed for at least two months.

    But economists say the law didn't boost hiring much.

    Rajeev Dhawan, director of Georgia State University's economic forecasting center, says the tax break might encourage employers to hire workers they didn't need, which would be inefficient. Or, he says, it could give them a tax break for something they were going to do anyway.

    ___

    — Spending more on public works. Obama's proposals will probably include spending on roads and other infrastructure programs and add to the deficit. And he's expected to call for as much as $50 billion for school construction and renovation.

    But public works programs can take years to get started and create jobs.

    "Infrastructure spending cannot jump-start near-term hiring unless ramped up at a pace and a scale that, outside of wartime, would be unprecedented," Macroeconomic Advisers concluded in a report.

    Some businesses would welcome it anyway.

    Dyke Messenger, CEO of a construction equipment firm called PowerCurbers in Salisbury, N.C., says new infrastructure spending could help his business — and embolden him to hire more people. He employs 85 now.

    He says his customers — construction companies — won't order more of his machines "until they can see a steady supply of work ahead of them."

    "I'm not going to hire somebody unless I'm absolutely sure I've got work for them, period," Messenger says.

    __

    Associated Press writers Daniel Wagner, Marcy Gordon and Jim Kuhnhenn in Washington, Christopher Leonard in St. Louis and Matthew Craft in New York contributed to this report.

     

    1,198 comments

    • follower of christ  •  8 mths ago
      as it's writing everything going to change day after day,all good going to be wrost, is the word of God untruth? NO...you going to see War, Earthquake, Flood, Storm, Famine, One against Others, fathers against children(REVERSE) Husband against wife, (REVERSE) SO tell me which one of those i cited, you're not seen or lived yet. all are in our presente moment, and don't blame pres..Obama cause he is not God. no one can change what is word says if you believe any candidate words going to turn you around let see, and when it going to be wrost don't start talking negative cause you choose that person,and remember he said also the first going to be last and last going to be first,think about what you see today, is yesterday was like today NOOOOO, ok if today is like that what you think about tomorrow,and why you think another presidnt wil do good for tomorrow. read Mathiew 24 you goingto see more.......may God bless you all and may God bless united state of america
      • sugafree 8 mths ago
        Your grammar, punctuation and comprehension skills have been trashed by the evil Tea baggers spirits. You sound like Michelle Bachman.
      • noonesmudduck 8 mths ago
        And when you say or type for that matter,the United States of America.make sure you capitalize it.
      • ObamaForTheLoss 8 mths ago
        I agree Obama is not god, he fits the devil role much better!
    • Alpaca  •  8 mths ago
      President Obama also talks about new energy jobs, but this takes an engineer to make it happen, so getting a degree in electrical or science is a must. However there are many people graduating from ITT, Poly Tech, etc that are in need of these jobs. Not all infrastructure jobs are ditch diggers, and they are good paying jobs. Is it that you do not qualify for any of todays types of jobs that you complain about President pushing for job creation? No matter what he tries to do, you find fault with it. repubtea party?
      • sugafree 8 mths ago
        Where are the solar panels you said you would install back on the roof of the White House Obama?
      • ScottB 8 mths ago
        as I recall, Carter put on solar panels on the white house because he knew what was going to happen and some of you righties call him an idiot...lol , he knew what was up, not just whatever the rich and powerful want you to see. Heck, Carter is the only reason the power companies have to buy back power if you generate it for the grid! You think Bush would have signed that? He took the panels down didn't he?
    • Susan  •  8 mths ago
      This will be a speech aimed at putting plans out there deliberately set up to make the republicans in congress look bad. It will look good on the surface but contain the same old, same old. The mentality in the white house is that if you don't cave to what the liberals want, you're being uncooperative. These is no discourse about how the liberal democrats in congress need to compromise as well.
      • ScottB 8 mths ago
        you have not been paying attention.or listning to too much talk radio and not enough C-SPAN. And BTW,,the President wont have to find a way to make the big red R look any worse than it does already...LOL!! they did that themselves.
      • Martin 8 mths ago
        Step away from the crack pipe Susan
    • Texan  •  8 mths ago
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      • na 8 mths ago
        That is what I have been asking. By the way they blocked me from voteing on your comment.
      • treehugging_druid21 8 mths ago
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      • ALF 8 mths ago
        David Bowman's thumbs down function seems to be working rather well :)-
    • David Bowman  •  8 mths ago
      Putting forth a plan to only cut taxes and not much else has had devasting effect on our economy. Bush could have at least put other plans in place (good and or balanced) ones to keep a great economy going (Clinton years). I'm not bashing Mr. Bush but we as Americans need to face reality and the truth. Many in the Bush administration lied, framed,or simply put stuff out there to help themselves politicallly. Why? If they had it would have worked against them. Obama is dealing with these issues like a man. He is not ducking, hiding and covering up the fact that this economy is not very good. Congress needs to stop playing and govern the right way. I wonder if every congress woman and man could get along without insurance and only making under $40,000 a year. They make $174,000 plus the best coverage our tax dollars can buy. Wow!!!!! Talk about unequal. Hey i'd be willing to have that insurance coverage they all have. The salary well i want to think about that some more. Give every American who is not covered by insurance the same options and the same coverage they all have.
      • Necko 8 mths ago
        All Obama has ever done since taking office is blame any problem on either the Bush administration and Congress.
      • Brian 8 mths ago
        Obama does seem to have a lot of integrity, I'm not sure if that'll be enough though. I cannot believe what the Republican party has done, I even support some Republican principles, and everyone has their own view and opinion. But since Obama was elected they've said point blank that they had one main goal in mind - not the economy, not jobs, but to make sure he was a 1 term president. And they've been doing it wonderfully, blocking a lot and abusing the filibuster. All for it if you have a different view on things and want to negotiate a center path, but grind lock doesn't help anyone.
      • Brian 8 mths ago
        He's only ever blamed Congress once on his bus tour, and all he said was he wanted them to put country in front of party. And he already did that during the debt ceiling debate when he offered 3 trillion in cuts including reform to Medicare and Social Security, while asking for only 1 trillion in new revenues. If you ask me, he earned the right to put pressure on Congress.
    • Get Off my lawn  •  8 mths ago
      What do you become when you despise your mother and your dad runs out on you?
    • Mark  •  8 mths ago
      When General Stanley McChrystal went to President Obama to turn in his resignation, Obama bitterly said "You probably intend to urinate on my grave someday."
      McChrystal replied, "No, Sir, once I'm out of this man's Army, I'm not standing in long lines for anything ever again!"
    • mrhllc  •  8 mths ago
      The best thing Obama could say tonight to get the economy going, “I have made a mess of things, so first of all Biden is fired and second…I resign.”
    • Doofy  •  8 mths ago
      We are a corporate oligarchy. How come NOT A SINGLE PERSON has been arrested and sentenced for the biggest fraud to hit this country in its history. the economy was brought to its knees, and not a SINGLE PERSON has been sent to prison. That is how I know Obama is no better than the ones before him.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy#Corporate_Oligarchy_.28Corporatocracy.29
    • Jennifer  •  8 mths ago
      H.R. 4646 google this and see is not a hoax... best worry about what is going on now that will effect every american citizen.
    • Malachi  •  8 mths ago
      Don't you know mr president... And i use the term president.. Loosely , we are all.. As well as congress finding your say more do less...wait and see.. Lead from the rear stupidity... Not only offensive and an insult to this nations intelligence and heritage but real incompetence which you are incapable of rectifying....almost. 3yrs of incompetence so far... You could almost call it subversion . Show me something new beside your silver tongue b/s and your undermining of this of this nation from the rear...my kids are scared your trying to ruin their future..... I'm tired of your empty words and b/'s un kept campaign promises...its obvious man you don't have a clue... Nor the experience, nor the brains nor the ability to lead anyone .. Even to the mens' room... Your a con-artist who sneaked in. .. I can't stomach your empty words and brain you make me ashamed that i was taken in and foolish enough to have trusted and voted for you...you puke
    • NobleOne  •  8 mths ago
      3 years later after all the unfulfilled promises(lies) he wants to make jobs
      14 Trillion to banks ,9 trillion to Corporations zero job growth,good work Prez.
      300 Billion for jobs, where will the money come from ?
      Vote Ron Paul in 2012 , Yahoo users candidate at 35% of the people ,Yahoo news lies right to its own users !
      Obama's routine
      1.talk talk talk,bla bla bla (lie lie lie)
      2.Go on vacation
      3.Sell guns to Mexican and other gangs via the ATF(impeachable offense)
      4.circumvent the Constitution and form a "super Congress" that we the people didnt elect !(impeachable offense)
      5.expanded GW Bush' wars, and start his own war Libya
      6.War in Libya is not a war , but a humanitarian UN effort ,he said"I do not need Congressional authority for this(Impeachable offense)
      BTW when did bombing civilian populations become humanitarian?
      7.said "No boots on the ground in Libya" they have been American boots in Libya for more than2 months....
      repeat #1 and #2 as frequently as possible
    • The Great Rage  •  8 mths ago
      Stop making decision, Obama! Everyone you make is the wrong one.
    • David E  •  8 mths ago
      Oh My Gooness! I guess Barry Soetero ( aka, Barack Oblunder ) thought he could bring this country to its collective knees and get away with it! NOT! In 2009 and 10 instead of actually trying to fix the economy you and your Socialist Democrat minions ramroded Socialized Health Care down this country's throat. We told you not to didn't we? So how's the view from the corner you and your friends have painted you into Barry? In one short year you mobilized the SILENT MAJORITY into the TEA PARTY and they came after you in droves in November 2010! And that was but a ripple in the pond Barry! A Tsunami will sweep you from power in November 2013 and then this country and it's great people can get to work fixing all the damage you have done. Bye Bye Barry! I hope you have a life vest because you will surely need it!
    • Joe D  •  8 mths ago
      In other words, our Shoe-shine boy in Chief has no clue on what to do.
    • Happy Camper  •  8 mths ago
      We heard and would like to hear again from the powerful celebrities and executives in the entertainment industry who supported Obama and elected him to the White House on the state of our economy and unemployment. They are too quiet.
    • blkhawkUSA  •  8 mths ago
      here is an idea....everyone anywhere,blk,pink or white, who are unhappy here and hate america
      should leave and renounce their citizenship. it would be expense to ship them out, but we could do it. they would have to leave on massive crowded transport ships, buts that is okay...they need to go. we only want LOYAL americans here that are interested in rebuilding this great country!
    • ScottB  •  8 mths ago
      How is it that the 2 or 3 percent of the wealthiest get so much support for their tax cuts and loop holes? How does half of the other 95% just take it in the rear by a system that is really not fair to any, the richest pay less of a % of income than any others but a church and the T party will just fall in behind them waiving flags and quoting the bible. They think only they pay taxes but it just aint so! I realize the education system has failed you but it's time to use the wikipedia and research these policies with an open mind and open ears.
    • Nathan  •  8 mths ago
      Watch him push this program through and it will be just as big of a mess as the healthcare fiasco. This clown should be impeached for crimes against the USA
    • ErinD  •  8 mths ago
      The best thing Obama can do to boost the economy tomorrow night is RESIGN and take his regulatory, anti-business czars with him!
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