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    New operating system for space: High-tech tycoons

    SEATTLE (AP) — The tycoons of cyberspace are looking to bankroll America's resurgence in outer space, reviving "Star Trek" dreams that first interested them in science.

    Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen made the latest step Tuesday, unveiling plans for a new commercial spaceship that, instead of blasting off a launch pad, would be carried high into the atmosphere by the widest plane ever built before it fires its rockets.

    He joins Silicon Valley powerhouses Elon Musk of PayPal and Jeff Bezos of Amazon.com Inc. in a new private space race that attempts to fill the gap left when the U.S. government ended the space shuttle program.

    Musk, whose Space Exploration Technologies will send its Dragon capsule to dock with the International Space Station in February, will provide the capsule and booster rocket for Allen's venture, which is called Stratolaunch. Bezos is building a rival private spaceship.

    Allen is working with aerospace pioneer Burt Rutan, who collaborated with the tycoon in 2004 to win a $10 million prize for the first flight of a private spaceship that went into space but not orbit.

    Allen says his enormous airplane and spaceship system will go to "the next big step: a private orbital space platform business."

    The new system is "a radical change" in how people can get to space, and it will "keep America at the forefront of space exploration," Allen said.

    Their plane will have a 380-foot wingspan — longer than a football field and wider than the biggest aircraft ever, Howard Hughes' Spruce Goose.

    It will launch a space capsule equipped with a booster rocket, which will send the spacecraft into orbit. This method saves money by not using rocket fuel to get off the ground. The spaceship may hold as many as six people.

    "When I was growing up, America's space program was the symbol of aspiration," said Allen, who mentioned his love of science fiction and early human spaceflights. "For me, the fascination with space never ended. I never stopped dreaming what might be possible."

    For those attracted to difficult technical challenges, space is the ultimate challenge, Allen said.

    "It's also the ultimate adventure. We all grew up devouring science fiction and watching Mercury and Gemini, Apollo and the space shuttle. And now we are able to be involved in moving things to the next level," he said, adding that he admires people like his former Microsoft colleague Charles Simonyi who have gone into space to experience it.

    Allen is not alone in having such dreams, and the money to gamble on making them come true.

    Bezos set up the secretive private space company Blue Origin, which has received $3.7 million in NASA startup funds to develop a rocket to carry astronauts. Its August flight test ended in failure.

    "Space was the inspiration that got people into high-tech ... at least individuals in their 40s and 50s," said Peter Diamandis, who created the space prize Allen won earlier and is a high-tech mogul-turned space business leader himself. "Now they're coming full circle."

    Diamandis helped found a company that sends tourists to space for at least $25 million a ride, and seven of the eight rides involved high-tech executives living out their space dreams. Simonyi paid at least $20 million apiece for two rides into orbit and attended Allen's Tuesday news conference, saying he wouldn't mind a third flight.

    "Space has a draw for humanity," not just high-tech billionaires, Simonyi said, but he acknowledged that most people don't have the cash to take that trip.

    Space experts welcome the burst of high-tech interest in a technology that 50 years ago spurred the development of computers.

    "Space travel the way we used to do it has a '50s and '60s ring to it," said retired George Washington University space policy professor John Logsdon. "These guys have a vision of revitalizing a sector that makes it 21st century."

    But Logsdon said the size of the capsule and rocket going to space seemed kind of small to him, only carrying 13,000 pounds. It didn't seem like a game-changer, he said.

    Stratolaunch's air-launch method is already used by an older rocket company, Orbital Sciences Corp., to launch satellites. It's also the same method used by the first plane to break the sound barrier more than 50 years ago.

    Stratolaunch, to be based in Huntsville, Ala., bills its method of getting to space as "any orbit, any time." Rutan will build the carrier aircraft, which will use six 747 engines. The first unmanned test flight is tentatively scheduled for 2016.

    NASA, in a statement, welcomed Allen to the space business, saying his plan "has the potential to make future access to low-Earth orbit more competitive, timely, and less expensive."

    Unlike its competitors, Allen's company isn't relying on startup money from NASA, which is encouraging private companies to take the load of hauling cargo and astronauts to low Earth orbit and the International Space Station. The space agency, which retired the space shuttle fleet earlier this year, plans to leave that more routine work to private companies and concentrate on deep space human exploration of an asteroid, the moon and even Mars.

    Allen said his interest comes not just because of the end of the shuttle program or changes in government funding for space, but he does see an incredible opportunity right now for the private sector to move the needle on space travel.

    Allen's company is looking at making money from tourists and launching small communications satellites, as well as from NASA and the Defense Department, said former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, a Stratolaunch board member who spoke at a Tuesday news conference.

    Just three months ago, Griffin was testifying before Congress that he thought the Obama administration's reliance on private companies for space travel "does not withstand a conventional business case analysis."

    This is different because it's private money, with no help or dependence on government dollars, said Griffin, who served under President George W. Bush.

    Allen and Rutan collaborated on 2004's SpaceShipOne, which was also launched in the air from a special aircraft in back-to-back flights. Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic licensed the technology and is developing SpaceShipTwo to carry tourists to space. But Allen's first efforts were more a hobby, while this would be more a business, Logsdon said.

    SpaceShipOne cost $28 million, but this will cost much more, officials said.

    Allen left Microsoft Corp. in 1983, and has pursued many varied interests since then. He's the owner of the Seattle Seahawks football team as well as the NBA's Portland Trailblazers. He also founded a Seattle museum that emphasizes science fiction.

    Allen said this venture fits with his technology bent.

    "I'm a huge fan of anything to push the boundaries of science," Allen said.

    ___

    Borenstein contributed to this report from Washington.

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    Online:

    Stratolaunch Systems: http://www.stratolaunch.com

     

    80 comments

    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Has anyone noticed the engine location on the carry aircraft? The artist rendering shows in inboard engines are ridicuious close to the fusalage. Take a look at a 747 engine placement, there must be severe intake and exhaust effects from this placement.
      • D Terrent 5 mths ago
        Seems like the airflow past the nacelle and the fuselage would put a lot of sideways force on the engine mounting. But, it's an artist's rendering - essentially a marketing tool, not a design concept per se.
      • Big Pay Day 5 mths ago
        I agree, it's just for marketing but moving the engines further outboard multiples strength issues for the wings. I spent lots of time in marketing as an systems engineer most of which was to keep management and marketing from breaking the laws of physics and giving the design team a prayer of making the concept work.
      • Horatio 5 mths ago
        I was wondering about that... but given that the wing profiles look like those of a giant glider, it seemed that placing the engines further out would lead to structural problems. But the scale probably betrays the truly monstrous dimensions of those wings, anyway.

        How much work does it take to put a design like this into an aiframe design tool and check for sanity? You think Burt Rutan did a sanity check before he went public with this?
    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Typically airlauch rockets (Pegasus and most Airforce weapons) are solid fueled (even these have to be reinforced for the point loads), the Space X design would need major redesign. It might be fun trying to start ignition of the liquid design as it falls with the propellants sloshing about.
      • Horatio 5 mths ago
        I was wondering about that... I am not a rocket engineer but I do understand the structural issues a little... and I just can't see a large liquid rocket strapped underneath a plane without the need for a total re-design.

        How do they restart large earth departure stages in orbit? Can it be done in zero gravity or do they have to use the attitude control engine to settle the fuel in the "bottom" of the main tanks? The question is also valid for the shuttle de-orbit burn, of course.
      • noname 5 mths ago
        Solids cannot be throttled and cannot be shut off. There are advantages to liquid fuels. Best of both worlds is Amroc's hybrid with solid fuel and LOx.
      • don 5 mths ago
        Why would the fuel be slooshing? As soon as the rocket moves to vertical gravity pulls it downward and it would have pumps which would give you seamless fueling to the engines.
    • Fiifi  •  Accra, Ghana  •  5 mths ago
      Space Travel is Really Hard.
    • Horatio  •  5 mths ago
      Neither planes nor balloons can get you into orbit. The requirement for orbit is not altitude but speed. That's either rockets or electromagnetic canons. And if you wanted to be much more efficient, orbital tethers would do the trick... but there's a whole can of worms in there, too. So, in essence, it's hard one way or another.
      • MikeyPooh 5 mths ago
        um they already did launch spaceship 1 off a plane it works fine. you can waste most of your boost getting through the thick air and higher (slllllightly) gravity on the ground, or you can wedge your way up the air saving energy and then blast off form there. you basically have the same launch pad as on the ground, it's just you do it from the sky and already moving.
      • Threaton Von 5 mths ago
        wrong the requirement isn't speed, it is energy per kg(basic physics) you could get a space ship into orbit going at 1 mile an hour with a constant force, the energy required is time*energy/persecond you can either use a massive applied force for a short duration, or a tiny force applied over a very long time.
      • Horatio 5 mths ago
        Wow... some people here need to take physics 101, again. Especially the sections about kinetic energy, potential energy and orbital motion.
    • noname  •  5 mths ago
      The only way to make it work is to stop porking it to death. If private capital is the only way to do that, then so be it.
      THe shuttle was a flying pork barrel.
      The real reason the Challenger blew up was pork. Areojet General had built many more solid rockets than Thiokol, and their plant was within 30 miles of Canaveral. But Jake Garn and Orrin Hatch had political clout so Thiokol got the contract. This meant the boosters had to ship in pieces small enough for a railroad, which gave us the field joints.
      Even after Challenger, Thiokol kept the contract, even though Aerojet offered to restart their plant, weld the field joints, and make safe boosters. Thiokol even got the contracts to develop new boosters.
      Were there any justice it would have been the shuttle Garn was on that blew up.
    • Horatio  •  5 mths ago
      "Space Travel is Really Hard."

      Which is exactly what makes it so interesting!
      • Big Pay Day 5 mths ago
        That's what kept me going through my career. Dropping probes into the Venus atmophere (titanium bowling balls with diamondand ruby windows), designing earth resource S/C that have 20 plus instruments all vying for the same real estate, or working with NASA to recover broken satellites. Always a different challenge. (And it was FUN!)
      • Horatio 5 mths ago
        Do you think we will launch a Venus lander anytime soon? I would really like to see a little bit more of the Venusian landscape before I have to return my wave function to the universe.

        Even a Venus aircraft/balloon would be great. But that will only work above the clouds and haze, right? Once you go below, it's too hot for an aircraft or balloon, isn't it?

        OTOH, a rover could probably be made to resist the temperature more easily. Low power electronics for an intelligent lander core could be built with just a couple of Watt of power consumption even with today's technology, and a fridge to get from 500 degrees Celsius down to about 100 degrees should be doable with a thermodynamic efficiency of 10% or maybe even slightly better. One can probably accomplish this with an RTG powered fridge. I assume that the dense Venus atmosphere provides plenty of heat transfer for heat exchangers?

        The only other components that have to be cold are the electric motors for (slow but steady) propulsion. But, again, that could be done with a few ten Watt of power... not quite as exciting as a Mars rover... but plenty of discovery opportunity.
      • Big Pay Day 5 mths ago
        The russians did a soft lander that got couple of photos before it died. The 4 US probes did atmophere and chemistry, as I remember two survived impact and provided data for an addition hour. The russians used a precooled probe with (I think) a liquid evaporater system (one shot). US probes were a thermos bottle design, worked until the heat leaked through. NASA and ESA have proposed various plans for revisiting Venus including balloons.
    • Ricky H  •  Oklahoma City, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I personally know two of the sweetest little girls, ages 4 and 8, who sleep in a house not fit for a dog! They probably don't get enough food, but they know how to survive. Their Dad works, but most of his money goes on beer, to forget the situation he lives in. You cannot help adults, who do not want to change the way they live, but I can help get these little girls, as my girlfriend and I have bought them a bunch of clothes for Christmas. The suffering by little children in this country is staggering, and these rich bitchies have all this money to waste on their fantasies! God gave you bitchies the talent to make zillions, you could make dreams come true, by just giving back a few hundred bucks to help little kids in America! You will not do it cause you live in money crazed fantasy world, where all your yes men lick your boots, and you think your God! Why dont you be real men and help some little kids in your backyard! Hunger is happening in Tennessee, and little kids arent going to get what they dream of for Christmas! Are you getting what you want? Do you have a warm house to sleep in, with no cold drafts blowing through? Your blessed!
    • tubby  •  Grand Rapids, United States  •  5 mths ago
      how many science fiction ideas are now everyday items this will work if the right people believe it will work get some high scool geeks working on it and their new and fresh ideas will mke it possible
    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Horatio, Typically transfer orbit burns are done after a settling burn by smaller attude thruster system using bladder style tanks or PMD's (propellant management devices). Same is true on the shuttle.
    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Nadm, shuttle has no propellant tanks, if you add the external fuel tank - liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen - not what I'd consider the safest concept, even the Space X design liquid oxygen and keosene is a tough sell, if you want to do this it really should be solid rocket motors. Anything for an Airlaunch system has to be purpose built and designed for this particular launch environment.
    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      It's a long way from science fiction to science fact. Believe it or not some of the most intelligent people on the planet work on rockets, satelllites, space station, and planet explorations and none of them have yet come up with the easy answer. Space Travel is Really Hard!
    • The Crink  •  Apache Junction, United States  •  5 mths ago
      If Burt Rutan is involved it will happen.
    • nadm  •  Beaumont, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Why can't they piggy back the space shuttle?
    • Seth  •  5 mths ago
      to anyone reading this i would like to volunteer for deep space travel one way or not it is worth the risk to find a new planet. now that would push the boundries of science fiction
    • Big Pay Day  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      By the way, half mile separation at ignition takes quite a while as the carry is not very manuevable and it's at max. operating altitude and your availble aircraft engine thrust is down a good 70% from max. due to altitude (look up[ tubro fan perfromance vs altitude)

      Yea, I am a Real engineer -- 30 plus years looking at very weird spacecraft and rocket design you can think.
    • Greg789  •  San Diego, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Turn it over to the private sector and the private sector will find the lowest cost in China.
    • mightythor  •  Philadelphia, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Rich men's hobby. Not a business.
    • Threaton Von  •  5 mths ago
      its a "radical idea" reallllly, this idea has been being bounced around for a while.
      Besides the total energy used will be the same, in fact if you are using an airplane it will be more do to energy lost to friction, it has to be the same, it can't be changed the amount of energy required to make an object leave earth is 62,600,000Joules/kg.
    • Jason K  •  Phoenix, United States  •  5 mths ago
      People saying it won't be build due to aircraft cost are hugely wrong on at least one point: There is *NO NEED* to build a PRESSURIZED aircraft hull that will run the length of the entire aircraft (for passengers).

      Removal of this one little constraint will have a VAST impact on the cost of building the entire transport plane.
    • Gary S  •  Seattle, United States  •  5 mths ago
      This doesn't work.
      We are now a second or third tier space explorer.
      If anyone ever investigated how much was spent on the Space Race and divided that by the number of successfull missions, they would see that it is not too good.
      Filling the role of the Space Shuttle bus system is a safe enterprise.
      Even tycoons' money run out eventually, and most of them don't like to lose money.
      So the private space program will never take real chances that are required to excell.
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