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    Palestinian leader says nothing can stop UN bid

    RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) โ€” Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said Monday he won't be deterred from seeking U.N. recognition of a state of Palestine, despite what he said was "tremendous pressure" to drop the request and instead resume peace talks with Israel.

    Abbas spoke to reporters en route to New York, where he is to seek U.N. membership for "Palestine" in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem, territories Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast War. The U.S. and Israel oppose Abbas' bid, saying a state can be established only through negotiations.

    Abbas has said that negotiations remain his preference, but that they must be based on the pre-1967 war lines and include a halt of all Israeli settlement construction on occupied land.

    Abbas said Monday that even if Israel were to agree to those two demands, "we will go to the U.N. because there is no contradiction between negotiations and going to the U.N."

    Officials from the Quartet of Mideast mediators โ€” the U.S., the European Union, Russia and the United Nations โ€” have been holding talks in recent days in hopes of persuading the Palestinians to drop the U.N. bid and instead resume peace talks with Israel.

    Another Quartet meeting was planned for Monday, officials said, and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton might present more ideas to Abbas later in the day.

    The Palestinian leader said, "Last week, there was tremendous pressure to return to negotiations on a new basis," but that the proposals for a new framework for talks were unacceptable.

    Full U.N. membership can only be bestowed by the U.N. Security Council, where the recognition bid could be derailed if fewer than nine of the 15 members vote in favor or if the U.S. uses its veto, as it said it would.

    U.S. officials believe six other members may vote against or abstain, meaning the Palestinians would fall short. That tally could not be immediately confirmed. An Israeli official said it's too early to say how the votes would go, while a senior member of Abbas' delegation said he believes 11 Security Council members will back the Palestinians.

    In Warsaw, Poland, which holds the rotating European Union presidency, said it was seeking member consensus on the Palestinian bid for independence. Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski said the EU's position would depend on the wording of the Palestinian request, which is not yet known. Neither Britain nor France, both permanent members of the Security Council, have said how they will vote.

    While the U.S. can derail the Palestinian bid at the Security Council in any scenario, the breakdown of the votes is key to both sides. Nine or more votes for the Palestinians would signal broad support for their statehood quest, while the U.S. image in the Arab world would suffer another blow if it uses its veto in this case.

    Abbas said his plan, for now, is to go to the Security Council, but suggested he might change tactics at the last minute and go for the lesser option of General Assembly approval of Palestine as a nonmember observer state. Chances for success are much higher in the General Assembly, which Abbas is to address Friday.

    "From now until delivering the speech at the General Assembly, we have no thought except going to the Security Council," he said. "Then, whatever the decision is, we will sit with the leadership and decide."

    A nod from the General Assembly could give the Palestinians access to international judicial bodies such as the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court.

    The Israelis fear such courts would target them unfairly. The Palestinians are "going to the U.N. to get this state not to make peace but to challenge Israel's legitimacy in international arenas and to try to undermine the peace process," Israel's ambassador to the U.S., Michael Oren, told CNN. His comments reflected Israel's concern about further isolation and underscored the country's mistrust of the United Nations.

    Abbas, meanwhile, said he was warned by American officials that "things will be very difficult after September."

    "We don't know to what extent," he said. "We will know later."

    Some members of Congress have been threatening to punish the Palestinians.

    "Current and future aid will be jeopardized if you abandon direct negotiations and continue your efforts," Reps. Kay Granger, Republican chairwoman of the House of Representatives Appropriations foreign operations subcommittee, and Democrat Nita Lowey, the panel's senior Democrat, wrote to Abbas this summer, echoing a plea they made to the Palestinian leader in an April letter.

    Concerning the possibility of mass protests in the Palestinian territories, Abbas said, "All our people will do is demonstrate peacefully inside the (Palestinian) cities."

    Israeli security forces have been preparing for possible West Bank violence, but Amos Gilad, a senior Israeli Defense Ministry official, played that down. "I am not identifying energy for violence and terror," he told reporters.

    Abbas, however, holds no sway over the Gaza Strip or its rulers from the violently anti-Israel group Hamas, which drove out forces loyal to Abbas during a power struggle in 2007. Hamas opposes the U.N. initiative.

    ___

    Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper in New York, Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations and Diaa Hadid in Jerusalem contributed reporting.

     

    415 comments

    • D  •  8 mths ago
      The U.S. has no aces left in its sleeve, and its threatening to cut off aid is just posturing to try to appeal to the Israelis who elect all of our officials. If U.S. aid was cut off to Palestine, the Palestinians have threatened to stop governing their West Bank cities and forcing Israel to attempt to do the task on its own (costing far more than the $500M in aid the Palestinians get). Why doesnt the U.S. support the peacemaking process on both fronts... negotiation and the U.N. instead of just stalling while Israelis unjustly steal Palestinian land and abuse and mistreat the Palestinian people.

      This is perhaps the first time that the Abbas' government has outmanoevered the Israelis and the U.S. and it is receiving amazing amounts of support from a majority of the U.N.

      Lastly, the thing that scares Israel the most with Palestine as a state is going to be its ability to go after Israel in the International Court for the war crimes it has committed, thereby costing Israel both face and alot of money. This just shows the Israelis that continuing to act like Nazis, and treating the Palestinians like they were treated in WWII doesn't pay, it isnt right and that karma is alot more powerful than the Old Testament.
      • Wuz up 8 mths ago
        Well said, thank you.
      • riyada 8 mths ago
        BEAUTIFUL COMMENT SPOKEN WISELY
      • dictatorSlime 8 mths ago
        All sluts of popular vote you are. If your wh*res sleep with apes and bear more illiterate babies, who then populate the sad world, apparently their popular vote holds sway with you schmucks. Too bad youre all too brain damaged to beat the JOOOOOOOOOO. U will submit and beg me for mercy
    • Esther  •  8 mths ago
      Hitler didn't care for the Jews; thought they were a bit much..
      - Larry David, genius..
    • terminator  •  8 mths ago
      The conflict is the ME is all for nought. Climate change will have the last laugh as the region is already in the throes of declining water supplies. The major rivers of the region are showing signs of falling volumes and efforts are being made to create more dams and water storage. But in the end, if there is not enough rainfall to sustain life, the region will become a wasteland. The Saudis are already having to deal with the problem, and the rest of the ME is not far behind. Google it for yourself.
      • Toney Danza 8 mths ago
        have you heard of water desalination, plus you could minimize water loss by farming in hothouses, or Center pivot irrigation. land is a precious thing, people kill and die for it. 90% of the conflict in the world is over land. religion is just an excuse for one tribe to go grab another tribes land.
      • PKM 8 mths ago
        luckily those smart jews already are turning sea water into drinking water, they even gave the saudis a plant
      • Get me a beer ! 8 mths ago
        Terminator come on man if anything with all the coast line Isreal has there sitting in pretty good shape
    • JULION  •  8 mths ago
      All of this comments from this website are full of hate. People are very ignorant on what really is going on the world. Ignorance is the worst enemy of humanity. Educate yourselfs and ask god to guide the governments for a peaceful negotiations and to take pride and prejudice away from their minds,
    • Blitz45  •  8 mths ago
      They going to let the Iranian President speaks at the UN, he will a guest in a fine hotel in NYC. They will let that ruthless murderer Assad in this country, speaks at the UN, and also be a guest in a hotel and with all that the US and Israel want to deny the Palestinians the right to create their own State. Something is wrong with that picture.
    • Mike  •  8 mths ago
      it seems like Israel does not want peace.this lets them grab more land.plus they get billions from the U.S.A.
    • They hate our freedum  •  8 mths ago
      Oh my God , do "some" people on here eat , sleep , and dream hatred of the Jews ? I wonder if God ever thought "Man i shoud've stopped at monkeys" ....One day were all going to hanging out on clouds shaking our heads and laughing at how stupid the human race was .....
    • STING RAY  •  8 mths ago
      No Miguel Man my name is Adolf Hitler.
    • CunningStuntman  •  8 mths ago
      Nothing new to see here, folks. Judgie with her Islamic triumphalism and disregard for any objective analysis, Dirtie Bird and Volund with their usual Turner Diaries wet-dreams and thinly veiled Nazi worship.
      • Hans Weber 8 mths ago
        Its not thinly veiled at all
      • Boxcar 8 mths ago
        You can't talk serious with jews. They lie about everything and when confronted with facts, or other opinions they simply dismiss it
      • Hans Weber 8 mths ago
        Thats the way of the jude
    • NS  •  8 mths ago
      "Some members of Congress have been threatening to punish the Palestinians.

      "Current and future aid will be jeopardized if you abandon direct negotiations and continue your efforts," Reps. Kay Granger, Republican chairwoman of the House of Representatives Appropriations foreign operations subcommittee, and Democrat Nita Lowey, the panel's senior Democrat, wrote to Abbas this summer, echoing a plea they made to the Palestinian leader in an April letter.

      Now we know who will be derailing the peace process
      • Harold 8 mths ago
        They and ishmael will be punished shortly, but it wont be the west who punishes this evil, It will be god, word of god stands,isreal stands. amen I say. Even satan featrs god.
    • vistavision2  •  8 mths ago
      Josh, Sionists do not wish to be Pharaoh of our times; Like all other Sionists before them they desire to be Gods through self-idolatry and demand that humanity worship them as Gods and these Baalists have always praciticed human sacrifice.

      Mt Sion [aka Mt Shinar/Hermon] where Baali was worshiped through self-idolarty is NOT Mt Zion.

      They demand of humanity to sacrifice the Palestinians to their self-idolatry which their acts are 100% adversarial to the Precepts of the Prophets.
    • David  •  8 mths ago
      Does anyone on this board who opposes a Palestinian state have an alternative plan for what to do with the Palestinians? Preferably one that doesn't involve driving them another country that doesn't want them or require keeping them perpetually imprisoned in fenced ghettos?
      • Independent Mindset 8 mths ago
        Absorption into one of the existing Muslim states in the Middle East might make more sense. Then the issue of who is holding who hostage would be gone and the Palestinians could make their contribution to a familiar culture. O.K., you say but they want their own country back. Well, they never had their own country and so far have demonstrated a total inability to achieve cohesiveness except for their pledge to destroy a neighboring country.
      • David 8 mths ago
        Most of the world recognizes the place where someone is born as the place they are from. By that measure, far more Palestinians than Israelis are from the land that makes up Israel.
    • Bannister 49  •  8 mths ago
      Saudi Arabia will gladly support Palestine and you can pay at the pump. They will raise prices on Oil and our economy will be strangled.
    • Larry  •  8 mths ago
      Going to the Security Council, after Washington promised to veto, is a PA decision to knowingly embarrass the US,โ€ said UN Watch Executive Director Hillel Neuer. โ€œMore and more, the Palestinian campaign is proving itself to be an exercise in political theater, designed purely for point-scoring, that will do nothing to improve the lives of Palestinians or Israelis... Whatever their disclaimers about avoiding violence, the PA is about to light a match next to a powder keg.
    • David  •  8 mths ago
      The threat to Israel is not military. It isn't even from Arabs. The greatest threat is the growing disapproval of Israel as people all over the world watch whole generations of Palestinians will grow up in fenced ghettos surrounded by heavily guarded Jewish settlements on every hilltop. World disapproval of Israel will continue to increase, finally evolving into the same basket of sanctions applied to Apartheid South Africa. As in South Africa, sanctions will eventually force Israel to recognize all Palestinians born in โ€œGreater Israelโ€ as citizens with equal rights. Palestinians, being the majority, will occupy the majority of positions in government, and Israel as a Jewish state will cease to exist. Jews will bemoan its loss and ask themselves โ€œWhy were we too stupid to give up 22% of โ€œgreater Israelโ€ in order to maintain it as both a Jewish and Democratic state?
    • levy808  •  8 mths ago
      Every single arab nation supports freedom and liberty for palestine. Over one billion people.
      IN TOTAL OVER 5 BILLION PEOPLE AND THERE NATIONS SUPPORT PALESTINE FREEDOM
      AND THE LIST GROWS
      ISRAEL IS ON THE WRONG SIDE
    • levy808  •  8 mths ago
      Breaking news
      inside polls of us citizens support a state of palestine and ending aid for israel
      87%
      way to go amercians
    • levy808  •  8 mths ago
      Before the state of israel The USA never ever had a problem with muslism states After the state of israel look at all the middle east wars the USA is in. Its israel and its racist policy that is the problem.
    • levy808  •  8 mths ago
      Freedom and liberty for palestine.
      israel is wrong and histroy will prove israel wrong.
      shame on israel for letting racist take over your state and freedom haters make israel policy.
    • levy808  •  8 mths ago
      Israel is doing everything ro stop freedom and liberty for palestine. Its wrong and evil. Let palestine be free and have the same rights as israel.
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