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    Payroll tax cut talks adrift on Capitol Hill

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The prospects for an extension of President Barack Obama's signature payroll tax cut, once considered a slam dunk on Capitol Hill, now seem far less certain as House-Senate talks have deadlocked over finding ways to pay for it.

    In a contentious negotiating session Tuesday, Democrats came out against House GOP proposals to partially pay for the two percentage point payroll tax holiday through freezing federal workers' pay and requiring more affluent seniors to pay higher Medicare premiums.

    Also at stake is a renewal of jobless benefits for people who have been out of work for more than six months and repairing an outdated government formula to prevent doctors from having to bear a huge cut in their Medicare payments.

    After four public sessions, the House-Senate talks have failed to yield a single significant breakthrough, leading party leaders in both the GOP-dominated House and Democratic majority Senate to lob charges that their rivals are slow-walking the negotiations.

    "We have significant concerns about whether Senate Democrats are really willing to step up and work with House Republicans on the payroll tax cut bill," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, told reporters Tuesday. "Senate Democrats have never come to the table with a plan to offset this new spending that they're all for."

    For his part, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has threatened to bring up a whole new measure if the House-Senate negotiations remain stalled.

    Michigan Rep. Dave Camp, the top GOP negotiator, has turned the focus to the most contentious issue: finding ways to foot the bill for the $150-160 billion cost of the measure.

    But Camp, a top Boehner lieutenant, has been slow to invite Democrats to discuss their ideas to pay for the legislation, insisting — at least until Tuesday — on obeying arcane rules that limit the scope of the debate to the GOP ideas that have passed the House on a near-party line vote last year. That has led to meandering discussions on topics like blocking EPA rules on emissions from industrial boilers and allowing states to impose drug tests on people receiving jobless benefits.

    After Tuesday's talks went nowhere, Camp finally invited Democrats to submit proposals not related to those contained in the House GOP measure and said that negotiators might be forced to scale it back.

    Tuesday's almost three-hour discussion, like three previous ones, involved speechifying instead of real negotiations.

    Lawmakers lobbed charges back and forth over whether it was fair for three million federal civilian workers to have their pay frozen for a third consecutive year to help pay for the tax cut and whether seniors with income exceeding $80,000 a year should pay more for their Medicare coverage.

    "It seems to be the flavor of the day to go after federal workers," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

    Leader Democratic negotiator Sen. Max Baucus of Montana added that, "We should not be penalizing (Medicare) beneficiaries while we're increasing doctor fees."

    But Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., a veteran of the failed budget "supercommittee" and deficit talks last year involving Vice President Joe Biden, said the ideas had been all but agreed to in negotiations last year.

    "We're hearing 'no' for the sake of hearing 'no,'" said Rep. Kevin Brady, R-Texas.

    Negotiators also split over whether people who receive health insurance subsidies under the Obama's new health care law should have to repay a greater portion of overpayments they may receive. It's a complicated topic, but Democrats have supported the idea in previous legislation.

    Taken together, the three provisions discussed Tuesday would raise $70 billion over a decade to finance the jobless benefits, payroll tax cut and Medicare payments to doctors.

    The proposals amply demonstrated the tradeoffs involved in cutting spending elsewhere in the budget to defray the cost of cutting taxes. Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., pointed out that the proposed pay freeze for federal workers would end up costing them far more than they would get from the two percentage point payroll tax cut, which would deliver just $20 a week to a typical worker earning a $50,000 salary.

    Similarly, a proposal to raise $31 billion over a decade by requiring wealthier seniors to pay higher Medicare premiums would eventually require 25 percent of beneficiaries to pay higher "means-tested" premiums instead of just 5 percent now.

    Democrats came out in opposition to each idea, saying it would be unfair to make spending cuts affecting the middle class to pay for the payroll tax measure. But Republicans shot back that a so-called millionaires' surcharge pushed by Democrats went nowhere in the Senate and that the cuts have to come from somewhere.

    As for the partisan pot-shots from top leaders Reid and Boehner, Camp said: "I don't think the comments from either side of leadership, from either body, are particularly helpful."

     

    40 comments

    • JOHN G  •  Scranton, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      Wow sounds like a second grade class room with all the bitchering.
    • burton  •  Simi Valley, California  •  3 mths ago
      Let the bush tax cut expire and take away the give away to the oil companys take away the tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas I am sure this would pay for the bill and more make the rich pay more is this too much to ask for or will the republicans not get the full pay off they need to protect the rich you be the judge
    • MadHatter of Wall Street  •  3 mths ago
      Thats not the only issue adrift on Capitol Hill..
    • Robert G. Ingersoll  •  3 mths ago
      Speaker Boehner: I really wish you had been like this under President Bush when you ran up trillions in debt and deficits. You said not a single word! You just licked it up good!

      But lordy, lordy, you done found Jebus now - tax cuts must be offset. You no longer parrot the mantra about tax cuts producing so much revenue that they pay for themselves. This is a little bit of progress...

      Of course, this is only for "Democrap" cuts - you are still a rank hypocrite when it comes to the glorious Republican Bush tax cuts whose value is evanescent and which were not offset.
    • Bluesnbob  •  Las Vegas, Nevada  •  3 mths ago
      Bring our troops home from the middle east and save billions weekly! Let those warmongers fight it out!
    • Realism  •  3 mths ago
      They have till the end of the month, this is just starting.
      • Greenstar 3 mths ago
        Yeah, but look what happened with the "super committee" . Repubs are going to get their clocks cleaned if this doesn't get passed.
    • Kender Sympathizer  •  3 mths ago
      They say "just $20 a week." Well, let me assure you, at this time, losing $20 a week would be very, very bad for me
      • Will 3 mths ago
        Well what are you doing here then?
    • Dawg  •  3 mths ago
      let the grand standing begin
    • jack whte  •  3 mths ago
      pay for the cuts by elimination of the Bush tax cuts for anyone making over $250,000 a year
      • PattiW 3 mths ago
        Hooray for some one that has a good idea.
    • steve  •  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      I'd like to know more about this "doctor fee." Was this part of a previous budget negotiation that now has lobbyists trying to repeal?
      • PattiW 3 mths ago
        The payments for Medicare Doctors has been in "trouble" ever since it's inception because of the way it is figured. And has been emergency approved, rather than fixing the way it is figured...Political party, after political party has done so. This has been on the government "books" as a "thorn' in the sides of both parties. The doctors cannot afford to take a cut in what they are paid because of the way this "fee" is figured. And yes, it has been "a previous budget negotiation" for many years--approved instead of fixed. Dr's only receive a certain amount, of what is billed. This has not kept up with what other services in the "medical, mental and health fields" are paid.
      • steve 3 mths ago
        Sort of like the Alternative Minimum Tax I'm guessing, not indexed to inflation?
    • James  •  3 mths ago
      Pay for it? What kind of right-wing propaganda line is that? Pay for a tax break? This is not a spending bill. It's a tax break! What exactly is there to "pay for"?

      The fact of the matter is, demanding that this tax break be paid for is the only way the Republican propaganda machine can even hope to cover up the fact that Republicans want to raise you taxes. They want you to believe instead that Democrats are just spending. Thus, the focus on... How do we pay for it? What a joke.

      Please do us all a favor. If you bought into this twisted propaganda play the Republicans are trying to pull over on the public... Please stop voting.
    • Jac  •  3 mths ago
      Pay for it by abolishing the labor department.
    • george  •  3 mths ago
      I can see where they can't get together on things like a payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits. They have more important things to fight about. Like birth control in Cathlic hospitals and the morning after pill in vending machines. We've got to keep women in their place !
    • Big Oil is watching  •  San Diego, California  •  3 mths ago
      again , obstructionist repukes block tax cuts for the middle class while preserving tax cuts for the rich... hang them all, GOP traitors, owned by the 10%.
    • JustMyOpinion  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  3 mths ago
      If stealing from social security to stimulate the economy is such a good idea then why stop at 2 percent? Let stop all deductions for social security (payroll and matching). Soc sec can be funded by monetizing the debt. Yes, I'm being silly here, but so are Congress and the President who are both competing to buy your votes.
    • James  •  3 mths ago
      So, to sum it up... The GOP want to raise your taxes and have you believe that they are just keeping the evil Democrats from passing another bill we have to "pay for". It's a tax break people. Not a spending bill. What's there to "pay for"?

      Don't be fooled though. Republicans haven't become pro-tax all of the sudden. They're still defending tax breaks for the rich. Just not for you. Why is that you ask? Simple. You can't afford one of their politicians.
    • JustMyOpinion  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  3 mths ago
      Stop the payroll tax shell game. Stealing from Soc Sec is shameful.
    • John  •  El Paso, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      Just about every Republican in Congress has taken the Grover Norquist "never raise taxes, ever" pledge. Seems that is only the case when it's politically convenient.
    • The_Voice_of_reason  •  Southfield, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      The republicans still haven't given up on scuttling the economy and recovery to defeat Obama but this will backfire and they'll be looking for a job in November
    • Raccoon City Survivor  •  Olympia, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      republicans only think tax breaks are good, when they are proposed by fellow republicans.

      Obama could advocate getting rid of ALL gun laws in the US, and republicans would still hate him for it.
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