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    Phone tag and wrong numbers: The collapse of the debt talks

    As he had done often during their weeks of budget talks, President Barack Obama tried to get House Speaker John Boehner on the phone late Thursday, but never heard back.

    The silence continued into Friday, and White House aides began to wonder. It never took this long for the president to get his phone calls returned, particularly from Boehner. After all, the two chatted regularly, forging a working relationship over the many weeks of debt-ceiling negotiations — two men who were each trying to lead their parties someplace they didn’t really want to go.

    Obama finally heard from Boehner’s office at 3:30 p.m. Friday: Expect a call in two hours.

    No, the president responded, how about right now?

    Not possible, Obama was told, the speaker isn’t available.

    It was then that the White House knew the president wouldn’t be announcing a grand bargain on the debt and deficit anytime soon. Maybe never.

    The speed with which the the latest round of negotiations collapsed — from signs Thursday morning that Obama and Boehner were nearing a deal to a complete breakdown late Friday — was a stunning reversal in the long effort to reach a compromise between the Democratic president and congressional Republicans. It left the country’s credit rating in jeopardy and the president more than a little peeved.

    “I couldn’t get a phone call returned,” Obama said Friday, as if still not quite believing it himself. “I’ve been left at the altar now a couple of times.”

    Boehner’s aides say the reason he didn’t call back was simple: They didn’t have anything more to discuss. Obama had pressed for more revenue in the package, and Republicans just weren’t going to go for it, Boehner said Friday.

    “Sometimes it’s good to back away from the tree and take a look at the forest,” Boehner said. “And yesterday afternoon, after the president demanded more revenue in this package, I came back … away from the tree to take a look at the forest.”

    If there’s any short-term political gain, it might go to Obama, who sounded fed up Friday night recounting his half of the story, painting Republicans as ideological purists bent on cutting popular entitlement programs to protect the wealthy. And Obama made clear who was boss — summoning Boehner and other congressional leaders to the White House Saturday morning.

    “We have run out of time,” Obama said. “And they are going to have to explain to me how it is that we are going to avoid default.”

    His hasty appearance Friday night in the White House briefing room capped a 24-hour period in which Obama went from believing he was on the cusp of an agreement to literally waiting by the phone and ultimately losing the opportunity to seal an historic deficit-reduction deal worth more than $3 trillion.

    “I think that one of the questions that the Republican Party is going to have to ask itself is can they say yes to anything? Can they say yes to anything?” Obama said. “I mean, keep in mind it’s the Republican Party that has said that the single most important thing facing our country is deficits and debts. We’ve now put forward a package that would significantly cut deficits and debt. It would be the biggest debt reduction package that we’ve seen in a very long time.”

    The negotiations broke down over the same issue that has stalled bipartisan cooperation for months, and tied American politics in knots for the last three decades: taxes.

    From the White House’s perspective, Obama and Boehner were on track for a deal Thursday morning. And even though they were furious at the prospect, Democratic congressional leaders thought the same. They were put on notice late Thursday night to expect an announcement as early as Friday morning that Obama and Boehner had agreed to a framework, with plans to release details Monday and hold a House vote by Wednesday.

    By that point, Obama had made nearly-unthinkable concessions for a Democratic president.

    He agreed to $1.2 trillion cuts in discretionary spending, and almost $250 billion in cuts to Medicare, including changing the eligibility age, eliminating certain supplemental insurance policies and cutting back on some health provider payments. He agreed to a new inflation calculator that would affect Social Security recipients. And he committed to changes to Social Security in order to make the program solvent.

    There were just a few outstanding issues, senior administration officials said.

    Republicans had proposed rolling back portions of Obama’s prized health care law if Congress failed next year to enact the entitlement and tax changes. Obama, however, wasn’t going for it.

    They needed to come to terms on depth of the cuts to Medicaid.

    And Obama had wanted an additional $400 billion raised through tax reform, arguing that Boehner was bleeding Republican support and would need to bring more House Democrats on board.

    The president spoke with Boehner by phone from the White House Thursday afternoon about the increased revenues, saying if the speaker objected, there were probably other options.

    Just get back to me, Obama told Boehner before they hung up.

    “He was very open with the speaker, (saying) ‘I understand you may not be able to come up on the revenue and if you can’t, I’m open to doing something else,’” a senior White House official said Friday.

    The White House always viewed the details as in flux: as the amount of cuts rose, Obama sought to balance that politically with more revenues. White House aides say the push for $400 billion in additional revenues was never intended to be a make-or-break demand, but more along the lines of hoping for some give on Boehner’s part.

    Boehner, however, considered the pitch as an attempt to move the goalposts late in the game.

    Boehner was willing to accept a revenue baseline of about $800 billion above what taxes would be if all the current Bush-era tax breaks were extended, a real concession on his part. At a White House meeting last Sunday, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner signed off, Republicans said, on the Boehner proposal — which was a concession in turn by the administration since it had shot for a higher target.

    With that potential compromise in place, Boehner felt encouraged to proceed with the talks. But circumstances changed, Republicans said, after the bipartisan Senate “Gang of Six” announced its proposal Tuesday which assumes substantially more new revenue for deficit reduction than the president had sought.

    Boehner and Cantor already told the president when he first raised it that they wouldn’t move the revenue target, Republican officials said.

    “I do trust him as a negotiator, but you have to understand, every step of this process was difficult,” Boehner said after he ended negotiations. “Dealing with the White House is like dealing with a bowl of Jell-O.”

    The speaker spent Thursday night and Friday talking with staff, other Republican leaders and the rank-and-file about the next steps, which is why the president didn’t hear from him, aides said.

    Back at the White House, senior administration aides, unaware that the negotiations were in their final hours, spent much of Friday working through technical details with top House Republican staff.

    “We expected they were going to work through it,” a senior administration official said. “They were meeting on the Hill all morning.”

    But by the time Obama and Boehner connected at 5:30 p.m., House Republican aides were already briefing Hill reporters on why the talks had collapsed.

    David Rogers contributed to this story.

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    12,387 comments

    • Valerie S  •  10 mths ago
      I agree with with most of you on here....lets cut the governments salaries; stop sending money overseas; lets pull our soldiers out of the Middle East. I think it would make all the difference if the Government would cut their salaries and other things like commercial flights; no driving services except maybe cabs; they will have to drive their own cars and pump their own gas; also instead of wining and dining lobbyist on the governments credit card(s) they have to use their own... Perkins will start looking pretty good by then. They will have to pay for their campaigns out of their own pockets.
      • Melina 10 mths ago
        Ron Paul would love to do this.

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      • DERRICK B 10 mths ago
        I have to agree on bringing the soldiers home, we acnt even protect our own borders.
      • Patrick 10 mths ago
        Except for the wars, those are little drops in the bucket.
    • Big Red One  •  10 mths ago
      We are governed by swine. Politics is all about power and greed and not about the good of the people. We can rebuild Iraq (after we destroyed it) but we can't rebuild America. We send billions to corrupt regimes but propose to cut funds from Medicare and Social Security -- which, coincidently WE THE PEOPLE fund. This government has lost its legitimacy.
      • BECKY D 10 mths ago
        Agree!!!!
      • christy 10 mths ago
        absolutely agree!
      • Mike 10 mths ago
        Agreed. This child like refusal to even try to work things out is unacceptable.
    • neesa o  •  10 mths ago
      Maybe they need to cut some retirement plans for congress, cut back some of the stupid things that they are doing that cost millions of dollars and leave SS alone
      • Melina 10 mths ago
        Ron Paul doesn't even participate in Congress's pension plan.
      • Ghostdog. 10 mths ago
        Congress' pension plan should not be for those that were elected for 1 term.
      • Glen 10 mths ago
        These guys would probably be more agreeable if they didn't get a pension per office and had to rely on the people instead of bribes by corporations.
    • Sandra  •  10 mths ago
      They say money talks, you mess with Social Security, and maybe we need to ask for Congressional resignations, Democrats and Republicans a like.
      • Valerie 10 mths ago
        Those are the TWO MOST EXPENSIVE "ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS".
        They MUST be cut back to remain solvent.
      • Scott 10 mths ago
        how about we get congress on the same plan the rest of America is forced to be on. Then maybe things will get changed.
      • d 10 mths ago
        only 47% of the people pay taxes. thats not enough to support the magnitude of free loaders we have. food stamp programs have marketing campaigns to increase their numbers, cmon wake up liberals
    • Cynthia H  •  10 mths ago
      I agree. When ever there's a problem they always want to start with Social Security and then Medicaid. I think they should look at their bank account and start cutting their pay. And cut their health benefits. And see how it feels. And totheir families probably doen't need to worry either. They're probably cover for the their lives to. They don't have to worry about Social Sercurt because the continue to recieve they're pay even after retitring.
      • BRY_m_30_tx 10 mths ago
        Boehner SUCKS! ...didn’t have anything more to discuss? When the country defaults, it will be on Boehner's shoulders!!! As stated over and over again and now over 80% OF POPULATION AGREE, DEEP SPENDING CUTS WITH REVENUE INCREASES. STOP THE RICH AND CORP ENTITLEMENTS!!! Lack of respect, whether you like Obama or not, he is trying which we have to give him credit. Boehner needs to be removed, along with Cantor!
    • johne  •  10 mths ago
      Stop the wars! Stop giving money to nato!!!!!! It's not fair to the taxpayers!!! Remember these war mongers come election time!!!
    • Mitzi  •  10 mths ago
      Still haven't seen any mention of cuts to Congressional salaries, perks, staff, pensions and their real entitlements.
    • Eileen S  •  10 mths ago
      67 had cancer & it's my government that has destroyed my husband and myself...lost
      everything in 2008...paying big bucks to supplement Medicare now and husband had to return to work...that's what we got for our entire lives of paying taxes and working two or more jobs...you all (our government) just sit back and watch what you have done to so many lives...I hope you don't sleep at night! Oh that's right...you have lots of money and lots of benefits...I think we paid for that too!
    • tom s  •  10 mths ago
      For years this government has been robbing Social Security they have no intention of paying it back they feel all that money belonged to them to do with what they want to do, and now they are caught with there hands in it and are scared to face the people.
    • Kris  •  10 mths ago
      It is time Americans stand up and say enough is enough. We may have to tighten our belts a bit here at home to pay this debt our government has run up but in doing so the cutting should begin with all of the money we are giving to other countries and then if more cuts are still needed begin cutting from yourselves and then the general populus of American people.Since working people have paid into SS during thier working lives it is NOT an entitlement it rightfully belongs to the people and should not have been touched to begin with.
    • Actually  •  10 mths ago
      Stop making moves just for a vote. Do what is right for the country, not just one person.
    • Quality is where you find ...  •  10 mths ago
      One question, if our government representatives who waste money and gives them selves pay raises and great medical retirement benefits, feels it is ok to take, delay and reduce benefits from the elderly who have paid into the system their whole life, then what makes the young people think the government will not take, steal and take there benefits when they are at the retirement age?
    • Joe  •  10 mths ago
      Please cut Congress" Pay Salary to $700 every two weeks and make them pay for their own medical expenses, food, rent, travel, etc. and see if we don't save billions.
    • onbalance212  •  10 mths ago
      Our government is corrupt ! Can we all agree on this ?
    • bill  •  10 mths ago
      Are they willing to have their meeting Live on CNN? too many under the table deals there
    • The AntiProgressive  •  10 mths ago
      Let's see the backroom negotiations on CSPAN..... A little transparency would be nice.

      Doubt that will happen.
    • Monte  •  10 mths ago
      The Treasury coffers are reported to have sufficient cash to pay SS and Medicare in August. So don't hand me the bunk that we have to borrow to pay. SS is self sustaining.
    • Totally disgusted!  •  10 mths ago
      My husband and I worked fifty years paying into SS we were not entitled to make a choice. So now that the politicians have to pay back what they have borrowed all these years all of a sudden SS is an entitlement program? Well since we paid our hard earned money week after week for 2,600 weeks I think we should be entitled to get our own money back for maybe if we are lucky 1040 weeks or so. That comes to twenty years now the average life span is around 80 so healthy I'm giving us 5 extra years. So who gets the rest of our hard earned money? Yes, it stays there for the next generation. Yet if we were allowed to save that money we would have been able to leave it to our children. So ENTITLEMENT MY ARSE!!!! Keep your grubby hands out of our pocketbook.
    • Ally  •  10 mths ago
      If this is how our political "leaders" in Washington typically behave, God help us all.
    • Tea-Raver  •  10 mths ago
      All of these "Politicians" are responsible for the demise of the United States! For shame, ladies and gentleman, for shame!
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