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    Prop. 8 backers seek review of gay marriage case

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Same-sex couples in California will have to wait a while to find out if they have regained the right to get married, after the backers of the state's gay marriage ban petitioned a federal appeals court to review a split decision by three of its judges that struck down Proposition 8.

    Lawyers for a coalition of religious and legal groups on Tuesday asked the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to rehear the 2-1 decision that declared the voter-approved ban to be a violation of the federal civil rights of gay and lesbian Californians, opting for now to avoid taking their chances with the U.S. Supreme Court.

    "After careful consideration, we determined that asking for reconsideration by the full Ninth Circuit is in the best interests of defending Prop. 8," said Andy Pugno, general counsel for the Protect Marriage coalition. "This gives the entire 9th Circuit a chance to correct this anomalous decision by just two judges overturning the vote of seven million Californians."

    If Proposition 8's sponsors had not sought the 9th Circuit's reconsideration by a midnight deadline, the three judges would have let the ruling take effect in another seven days, clearing the way for same-sex marriages to resume in the state for the first time since Proposition 8 passed.

    Instead, same-sex marriages will remain on hold at least until the 9th Circuit decides to accept or reject the rehearing petition. The court does not face a deadline for doing so, and if it agrees to take the case, it could order another round of legal arguments that would further delay a final ruling.

    Although the closely watched case is expected to reach the Supreme Court eventually, legal experts said supporters of the ban could be exhausting all their options before asking the high court to intervene. If a majority of the 9th Circuit's 25 actively serving judges agree to reconsider the case, it would be assigned to a panel that includes the chief judge and 10 randomly selected judges.

    "I think it is a bit of a gamble, but they could be hoping for more persuasive dissents," Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel for the Constitutional Accountability Center, said. "Whether it's before the en banc 9th Circuit or the Supreme Court, I think their arguments ultimately are going to lose."

    Stanford University law professor Jane Schacter said that while the 9th Circuit does not often reverse the decisions of member judges, Prop. 8 backers might believe a ruling by a bigger appeals court panel could yield a decision more likely to pique the interest of the Supreme Court. The two judges who rejected Prop. 8 two weeks ago focused their decision exclusively on California's ban, even though the court has jurisdiction in nine western states.

    Analysts have said that made it less likely the Supreme Court would take the case on appeal.

    "If the en banc decision was broad, it might be more likely to draw attention of the Supreme Court because it would be a decision with national reverberations," Schacter said.

    Proposition 8 amended the California Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriages five months after the state Supreme Court threw out a pair of statutes that limited marriage to a man and woman. The proposition was approved by voters in November 2008 with 52 percent of the vote.

    The 9th Circuit panel said in its Feb. 7 ruling that the amendment violated the U.S. Constitution's promise of equal protection because it singled out a minority group for disparate treatment for no compelling reason.

    The lone dissenting judge insisted that the ban could have served a legitimate purpose in the minds of its supporters: namely, helping to ensure that children are raised by married, opposite-sex parents.

    In the petition filed Tuesday, lawyers for the ban's supporters said the 9th Circuit panel overlooked a 1972 Supreme Court precedent in a 1972 same-sex marriage case that should have been binding on their deliberations and misapplied the high court's 1996 decision overturning a Colorado measure that outlawed discrimination protections for gay people.

    "Disapproving of the redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples is plainly not the same as disapproving same-sex couples as a people," the petition states. "Do President Obama and a host of other prominent champions of equal rights for gays and lesbians support the traditional definition of marriage solely to disapprove of gays and lesbians as a class and to dishonor same-sex couples as a people?"

    Six states allow gay couples to wed — Connecticut, New Hampshire, Iowa, Massachusetts, New York and Vermont — as well as the District of Columbia. The governor of Washington signed a bill this month that would make that state the seventh.

    But California, as the nation's most populous state and home to more than 98,000 same-sex couples, would be the gay rights movement's biggest prize of them all.

    "Today's petition shows how far the anti-marriage proponents of Proposition 8 will go to ensure that gay and lesbian Americans remain second-class citizens," said Chad Griffin, president of the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which sued to overturn the California ban. "Separate is never equal — and I am confident that one day, very soon, every American will be able to enjoy the fundamental freedom to marry."

     
    • bigb  •  Brooklyn, Michigan  •  2 mths ago
      nose browners
    • bigb  •  Brooklyn, Michigan  •  2 mths ago
      gays suck
    • bigb  •  Brooklyn, Michigan  •  2 mths ago
      be a real man marrie a women
    • bigb  •  Brooklyn, Michigan  •  2 mths ago
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    • bigb  •  Brooklyn, Michigan  •  2 mths ago
      this story sucks
    • Jonny P  •  Warren, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      I'm not gay so I don't have sex with men.

      I've accepted that and so I just get on with life. Seems to work for me.
      • ConstantCraving 3 mths ago
        Rock on, Jonny!
        It amazes me that others cannot grasp this.
      • Adam 3 mths ago
        Jonny- Let Constantcraving push your poo. Then come back here and tell us how cool you are with it.
      • Vargas 3 mths ago
        Adam, he just said he doesn't have sex with men. You hardliners don't pay attention much, do you?
    • Ageless fan  •  3 mths ago
      I have many gay and lesbian friends and co-workers. Although my religious upbringing tells me it's a sin, I have never judged them or treated them any differently for it. I am not perfect either, and I will not push my religious views on someone that feels differently. However, I have always been against gay marriage because my view, again based on religion, says a marriage should be between a man and woman. I was a strong supporter of Prop 8 when it was introduced. Then I started thinking, am I not pushing my religious views on them and judging them by doing this? I firmly believe in religious freedom, but by supporting the full denial of any kind of union between two members of the same sex, I am not allowing them to have their own religious views. I will not call it a marriage, only a civil union, but the word doesn't really matter. If two people regardless of the sex of either one want to be joined together legally, I no longer have a problem with it.
      • Jeffry 3 mths ago
        Sin is a sin, it does not mean that if you do it becomes ok'd. It's like, hey that's a sin, but since I did it, now it's not a sin.
      • Jennifer 3 mths ago
        Jeffry, Sin is based on religion.
        Law is based on the constitution.
      • La 3 mths ago
        Do you believe in giving children a good upbringing?
    • jp  •  3 mths ago
      Who cares if being gay is a choice or not, perhaps it is both, So what! How is that in anyway relevant to law or our freedom to live our lives? If you have to resort to religious or strawman tactics to debate an issue, then you allready know you are wrong and are just simply imposing your beliefs against another free american!

      As soon as we allow this type of condemnation of other people to affect laws, you can bet other groups will start to loose their freedoms. American Jews, American Muslims, and Rednecks will be next, then The buddhist, then working single mom, and so on and so forth.. It only starts with gays but it won't end there, you sure you want to pay that price just to limit their choice of marriage?

      You do not belive me? Look at what recently has been passed bhy congress and ratified by Obama ( not that he had choice this time around ) The latest NDAA 2012 for example will allow the military to lawfully detain anyone including an american citizen indefinantly out of suspicion of terrorism. And there is no guidelines protecting us from this being abused!

      Our freedoms are slowling dissapearing and you allow this with bigotry, stubborn resolution. Not to mention convienant interpretations of the constitution is manners of liberty, and both sides of the gun debate are fulll of crap with how they twist and distort it to benefit themselfves!

      The radical conservatice is just as much of a loon as a radical liberal, only diffrence is how much money he has!

      Freedom for all or freedom for none, you will not have it both ways.
      • Steven 3 mths ago
        OK got everything else that you were saying, but how did he not have a choice, sometimes it is best to just say Veto!
      • jp 3 mths ago
        he had no real choice because the percentage of congress approving the bill wold have overidden his veto and gone into affect anyway. So his hand was forced. I do not know if he was opposed to it or not however.
      • Steven 3 mths ago
        He supported the original bill that went to committee in the house, he was not as supportive of this one because the powers given to him were more limited.
    • Randy M  •  San Diego, California  •  3 mths ago
      This proves we have a U.S. Constitution. The Government cannot declare a religion. Why must I live to your beliefs? Where are my rights to be free of religion or free in my choice?
      • MOTS 3 mths ago
        Are you disabled? What are you talking about??? you are FREE RIGHT NOW! Are you being forced into a religion? you don't have to be part of a religion, you weren't FORCED to read this story, and you have the RIGHT TO SWITCH OFF the PC, or TV. And you don't have to open the door when the bible people knock did you know that?
      • Tom 3 mths ago
        I dont want my kids exposed to this perversion. That is my right as a parent. Keep your preference in your bedroom. I dont care who you do or dont. your free to choose. Why do you have to make a public spectical of it. By the way #$%$s are a minority. There is a reason for that. THEY CANT REPRODUCE.
      • dave 3 mths ago
        Well, if it were all that easy Mots....all would be fine......but I don't think gays have the right to marry and have survivor benefits or any of the other things that go along with a marriage in the U.S., so what the heck are YOU talking about. I don't think you have any religion getting crammed down your throat saying you can marry who you love.........
        That is the problem..........you don't see.
    • NdiliMfumu  •  New York, New York  •  3 mths ago
      "Disapproving of the redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples is plainly not the same as disapproving same-sex couples as a people," the petition states.The proponents of Prop 8 are hoping to keep their failed cause alive by claiming that there's some light between BEING gay and DOING gay things. It's the same as the Roman Catholic Church's argument that there's some space to #$%$ the sin but not the sinner. But this has already been decided in many other cases and, in any event, was not properly an argument that they made in the line of cases which led to the decision in Perry v. Brown (CA9 2012) from which they now appeal for reconsideration en banc. This argument was rejected, moreover, by the US Supreme Court in Lawrence v. Texas (US 2003). Everyone has a fundamental liberty interest in expressing their most intimate and amorous sentiments to another of their choice in the privacy of their own home. The State has no interest in such intimate expressions. Since gays/lesbians do not willingly choose to express intimacies to people of the opposite sex, the only meaningful expression of this fundamental human right comes by having gay sex. To be gay is the same thing as to do gay things !The court in Perry v. Brown, in taking reliance on Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans, relied on this same body of Supreme Court jurisprudence for the proposition that any meaningful marriage for a gay man or a lesbian MUST consist of marrying a person of the same sex. To disapprove of same-sex marriage, then, is to disapprove of gays/lesbians as a class.The Prop 8 Proponents cannot be heard to advance this argument for the first time on a motion for reconsideration. It's a hopeless and failed argument, in any event. Their cause and their motion will fail.
      • Al Bundy 3 mths ago
        Well said
      • La 3 mths ago
        What they should do, then, is to bring the proof to the courts that gay marriage brings nothing positive to society, which is the whole idea of marriage in the first place, and show how gay culture is a detriment to us as a nation. The proof is out there.
      • Christopher 3 mths ago
        I think I'll wait and see if a) the Supreme Court even puts it on their docket, and b) they use your case references to decide what you have decided. They have all the power; we have none. After all, nobody's vote counts right? (unless you are wearing a robe)
    • Scott  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      I cannot believe that so many people did NOT pay attention in their jr. high civics class. We do NOT live in a democracy, we live in a representative republic where the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Vote to enact any silly law that you want; however, if it is unconstitutional then the duty and responsibility of the judicial system is to strike it down.
    • Doug  •  3 mths ago
      Show me where in the US Constitution it defines marriage as a right granted to individuals. Show me where in the California Constitution it defines such a right. Aside from basic human rights - truly basic things like food and shelter and livable conditions - nothing is a legal right until its defined as such. Its a privilege.

      Marriage is a privilege created by and granted within an institution of religion, and so it should be protected as a free expression of religion. Religions should define for themselves what an acceptable marriage is or is not; civil unions and all their legal privileges should be separate from the institution of marriage itself.
    • RootieKazootie  •  3 mths ago
      If the American Taliban want to "defend marriage" they should make adultery punishable by death and divorce illegal.Oh, that's right---most of them have committed adultery or been divorced. #$%$
    • Suq Madiq  •  3 mths ago
      "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." The 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
    • Primewonk  •  3 mths ago
      Jesus Saves wrote, "man's "marriage laws" do not abide by God's marriage laws and it is God's laws that count, not man's."

      Nope. We aren't a theocracy. Neither your god, nor any version of any other god, has legal standing in our laws.

      If you want to live in theocracy, I suggest you move to where one already exists. Because if you folks try and set one up here, I suspect you face a bloodbath.
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