Discover Yahoo! With Your Friends

Explore news, videos, and much more based on what your friends are reading and watching. Publish your own activity and retain full control.

To get started, first

YOUR FRIENDS' ACTIVITY

    Reagan looms over debt debate inspiring both sides

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Ronald Reagan might as well be sitting in on the troubled debt talks, so frequently is his memory invoked by both sides.

    But for vastly different reasons.

    Conservative Republicans praise the 40th president's steely advocacy for smaller government and lower taxes.

    President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies praise Reagan because, they say, he was the sublime compromiser, willing to work with Democrats such as House Speaker Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill of Massachusetts to forge landmark tax and Social Security deals and willing to raise the federal debt ceiling so the government could keep borrowing to pay its bills.

    Can both be true?

    In fact, both camps are experiencing a touch of Reagan amnesia.

    Debt talks between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner came to a grinding halt Friday night when Boehner abruptly broke them off, raising new uncertainties that a deal could be struck to avert a threatened government default.

    Reagan did push through deep, across-the-board cuts in tax rates in his first year of the presidency in 1981, fulfilling a campaign promise.

    But the following year he signed the largest peace-time tax increase in U.S. history, the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. He raised taxes in every succeeding year of his presidency except the last. As California governor, Reagan also signed the biggest tax increase in state history.

    "There was a consistency to Reagan on taxes, which was basically that he cut them when he could, but raised them when he had to. He was not dogmatic on this issue, as his current day followers seem to think," said economist Bruce Bartlett, a senior policy analyst in the Reagan White House and a top Treasury official in President George H.W. Bush's administration.

    Bartlett noted that Reagan's tax increases took back about half of his signature 1981 tax cut. When he left office in 1989, federal taxes accounted for 18.4 percent of the nation's gross domestic product, compared with the 18 percent average for the two decades before he took office. By contrast, tax revenues are forecast to be just 14.4 per cent of GDP in 2011.

    Some tea party-courting Republicans cite Reagan's low-tax, small-government mantra as they insist they won't support any increase in the government's borrowing power past Aug. 2, unless significant budget cuts are made and taxes kept constant.

    Yet during Reagan's two terms, he presided over 18 increases in the debt ceiling. He even publicly scolded Congress for playing hardball politics with the debt limit and bringing the nation "to the edge of default before facing its responsibility." That's a passage the White House and congressional Democrats are now fond of recycling to their advantage.

    Obama has been paying new homage to the former Republican president he once called transformative as he remains locked in a standoff with Republicans.

    "Ronald Reagan worked with Tip O'Neill and Democrats to cut spending, raise revenues and reform Social Security," Obama noted a few days ago. "That kind of cooperation should be the least you expect from us."

    In a recent exchange with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., Obama complained that House Republicans weren't giving an inch on raising taxes and were frustrating compromise efforts. According to Cantor, Obama ended the meeting saying, "Can you imagine Ronald Reagan sitting here?"

    It was an apparent suggestion that Reagan would have been more accommodating or less likely to engage in political trench warfare.

    The facts: The big 1980s domestic-policy deals cited by Obama happened at a time when there were more politically moderate members in both parties than in these highly polarized times, and when congressional leaders had more flexibility in finding common ground.

    It's true that Reagan did not engage as much in the day-to-day bargaining. The big bipartisan agreements of the Reagan years were mostly cobbled together by O'Neill's forces and moderate Republican leaders such as Sens. Howard Baker of Tennessee and Bob Dole of Kansas, and Rep. Barber Conable of New York.

    Still, Reagan and O'Neill clearly liked each other and enjoyed socializing. Although House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, played golf with Obama and had tried for a "grand bargain" compromise with him, their relationship does not seem to be anywhere near at the same comfort level as that between Reagan and O'Neill, two gregarious Irish-Americans.

    That may have become clear late Friday, when the talks collapsed, with each side blaming the other.

    Looking back to the 1980s, with the exception of a few major deals like on Social Security, the day-to-day dealings between the Reagan administration and O'Neill were largely contentious and partisan.

    Yet that Social Security agreement remains a model for those who yearn for less partisan times now.

    Threats of approaching economic chaos were as much in the air in early 1983 as they are now, as Social Security was fast running out of money and benefit checks were at risk.

    The eventual deal that rescued the program involved changing Social Security tax-rate schedules, imposing income taxes on the benefits of higher-income individuals, and raising the retirement age in steps to 67 for those born after 1960. It was put in play by a bipartisan commission headed by Republican economist Alan Greenspan, later to become chairman of the Federal Reserve.

    It was fine-tuned by a high-level group of nine House and Senate members.

    That bipartisan group met in secret locations for weeks to hammer out the final details, remembers Paul Light, who at the time was a congressional fellow with Conable, the senior Republican on the House Ways and Means Committee and one of the negotiators.

    The talks coincided with the Washington Redskins' march to the team's Super Bowl victory over the Miami Dolphins in January 1983.

    "The Gang of Nine could actually sit around the table and say, 'Go Redskins.' That just created camaraderie that I don't see now," said Light, now a public policy professor at New York University. "And the compromise lasted 30 years, which isn't bad."

    So in the end, how can Reagan be both a hero to Republicans for arguing against tax increases — and to Democrats for agreeing to them?

    "That's what made him such an incredibly good politician," said Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution.

    Reagan was a master of blurring distinctions with compelling rhetoric, Hess suggested.

    "People often see in him what they want to see, or what they are looking for. And that has been certainly true of other great politicians in their time as well."

     

    1,692 comments

    • patri8  •  10 mths ago
      Our government's past spending practices put us here in the first place. They need to get over the past, move on, and finally figure out what most of us know. You cannot freely give out more money than what you take in!
      • True Patriot 10 mths ago
        We need a balanced approach, with cuts AND new revenue
      • Trampus 10 mths ago
        we blame the government for everything , but we as a people take no responsibility
      • Kenneth Luke 10 mths ago
        name change so what did the regular people do to get us here,besides elect people that spend big and set up government entitlements,the people in washington didn't have to spend,but they did to bribe people to vote for them,how is it Obama borrow twice as much then Bush did each day with no results
    • Paul G an Independant  •  10 mths ago
      Everyone knows that Warren Buffett is not just another “talking head.” He is just plain smart, that is how he became amongst the most respected and wealthiest men in the world. On a recent CNBC show, Buffett reportedly said “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes.” When questioned, he went on: “just pass a law that says anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of congress are ineligible for reelection.” Works for me. How fast would they work just to save their own greedy behinds?
      • koyote 10 mths ago
        wouldnt that be sweet??? 2012 cant get here too soon for me, voting em all out !
      • AndrewK 10 mths ago
        Buffet also says to raise taxes on the rich. Why did the GOP refuse to? To serve their rich masters.
      • DanP 10 mths ago
        Koyote, and replace them all with who?
    • ronald  •  10 mths ago
      I GUESSNONE OF YOU SEE THE REAL PROBLEMS HERE, WE HAVE SHIPPED ALL OF OUR BEST MIDDLE CLASS JOBS OVERSEAS WITH ALL THESE FREE TRADE DEALS,OUR CORPORATIONS PAY LESS IN TAXES THAN EVER BEFORE, WE CAN NOT AFFORD ,TO SHIP ALL OUR JOBS AWAY ,AND CHARGE NO TARRIFFS ON THE GOODS COMING IN TO OUR COUNTRY !!! I SAY END ALL FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS AND IMPOSE A 30%TARRIFF ON EVERYTHING IMPORTED EXCEPT FOOD ,OIL &RAW MATERIALS, THAT WILL BRING JOBS BACK TO THIS COUNTRY!!!! NEXT RETURN TAX LEVELS ON CORPORATIONS TO 1980 LEVELS WITH NO LOOPHOLES, THEY WERE DOING WELL THEN, THEY JUST DIDNT PAY THE C.E.O. UNTOLD MILLIONS THEY PAID THE WORKERS MORE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE TO PAY TAXES ONTHAT MONEY!! NOW THEY HAVE BOUGHT CONGRESS AND ALWAYS WANT TO PAY LESS SO THEY CAN KEEP MORE, AND THAT IS RUINING US!!! NEXBUT WE T, DEPORT ALL ILLEAGALS, THAT WILL SAVE US A LOT,THEN CUT CONGRESS PAY TO WHAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WAGE IS AND THEY USE MEDICAID WHILE IN OFFICE AND GET SOCIAL SECURITY WHEN THEY RETIRE, SO THEY REMEMBER THEY ARENT THE RULING CLASS THEY ARE JUST LIKE US!!!! IF WE DID THESE THINGS WE COULD BE OUT OF TROUBLE IN NO TIME, BUT WE HAVE TO PUSH FOR THESE THINGS, BECAUSE THEY HAVENT FIGURED OUT YOU CANT CUT TAXES AND THEN STEAL WHAT WE PAID ALL OUR LIVES FOR RETIREMENT AND MEDICAL AND THINGS WORK OUT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      • anonymous 10 mths ago
        Boy, you're so kind of idiot pal
      • VirtualAbe 10 mths ago
        I absolutely agree, but no one cares to really focus on that; that's whats going to kill us. As Ross Perot said, " Can you hear that giant Sucking Sound Yet?
      • AndrewK 10 mths ago
        At least the Dems wanted to raise taxes a small 2% on all these rich execs to get some their pirated money back, GOP opposed. 20 years of rich tax cuts and we have lost millions of jobs. They don't create jobs with cuts, they just pay their CEO with a bigger 60/mil a year retirement package. If you give a rich person a 50/K tax cut they will not create a 50/K job, they will take a 10th vacation to Fiji instead.
    • Ronin Katana Swords  •  10 mths ago
      Every year the future looks worse for America. We can't keep kicking the can down the road. The Romans did that. It didn't work for them, and it won't work for us. It has never worked for anyone.
      • Liberals Lie 10 mths ago
        neither has marxism and thats where the democrats want to take america
      • tom 10 mths ago
        the romans blah blah blah
      • Shaun 10 mths ago
        @"Liberals Lie": Actually, the adoption of marxist values in Europe is what keeps unemployment low and the standard of living consistently higher than ours.
    • VirtualAbe  •  10 mths ago
      Our $300 Billion Dollars a year Deficit with China pays for 60 Million JOBS----IN CHINA !!
    • Shaun  •  10 mths ago
      Politics... Using yesterdays answers for todays questions. We are doomed.
    • timby  •  10 mths ago
      The point being that Regan made the appropriate move based on what was going on in the economy. Unlike today where all the moves are based on re-election and special interest. Since the government can't police itself we need to vote out those that can't make those decisions.
      • ATLTrini 10 mths ago
        I actually have to agree with you on that.
      • Michael 10 mths ago
        And the reason for that...When GHW Bush said, "No new taxes." Then had to raise them and lost to Bill Clinton. Because of that you'll never see a President do what is right for the country after 2 yrs into his first term unless it also helps them with their re-election campaign.
      • VirtualAbe 10 mths ago
        Ronald Regan was just for his own recognition from the wealthy class, yet he was a "B" movie (Actor).
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      Quit punishing the taxpayers for what is not their fault.
    • John  •  10 mths ago
      I wish OUR leaders would stop talking about the PAST and start talking about how we are going to pay for THAT in future>
    • Bill Senior  •  10 mths ago
      Tax the RICH ... including the Congressmen - all 535 of them, Obama, Biden, All his Cronies and the Liberal Millionaires, too! Don't forget the Union Bosses!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Demagogues-R-Us  •  10 mths ago
      Garbage Article. Reagan slashed capital gains from Carter’s 50% to 20%. Reagan cut the top income tax bracket from Carter’s 70% to a top marginal rate of 28%. Reagan did not get along with Tip O’Neill, according to Reagan’s autobiography ‘An American Life’. Obama was no fan of Reagan’s, according to Obama’s book ‘The Audacity of Hope’. Obama should read his own book to keep what he said straight. Obama is doing the exact opposite of Reagan and you get the opposite results. The economy SUCKS.
    • ohreely  •  10 mths ago
      And amidst all this Congress just voted themselves a $36,000.00 a yr raise.
      Clearly our "public servant's " only represent themselves.
    • Bill Senior  •  10 mths ago
      Cut the Government "inhalf" of the 4.3 million Fed. Employees ...is an automatic increase in revenue and balanced buget! If we need 4.3 million Governmnet Workers to run this country ... then we're stupid! They must have Checker's ckecking Checker's and falling all over each other!
    • av  •  10 mths ago
      Someone just once tell me why we give all that money to other countries, especially the ones that hate us. We must take care of our own first or what's the use?
    • Rogue  •  10 mths ago
      "As government expands, liberty contracts." — Ronald Reagan
    • mark  •  10 mths ago
      Reagan was no hero! We're still waiting for our money to "trickle down".
    • steve  •  10 mths ago
      Reagan raised the debt ceiling an astonishing 18 times !!!
      He also taxed the wealthiest at 50% !!!!!
    • Elephas  •  10 mths ago
      ...conservative gal has it together! Go gal!!
    • Rogue  •  10 mths ago
      "Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15." — Ronald Reagan
    • Joe  •  10 mths ago
      One big issue that's not mentioned in this article. Reagan made a deal with the Dem controlled congress, Reagan wanted to spend on weapons to fight the Cold War and he agreed to raise taxes that the Dems wanted. Reagan one the Cold War, how much more money would have been spent in the long run if the USSR did not collapse?
    [ [ [['Connery is an experienced stuntman', 2]], 'http://yhoo.it/KeQd0p', '[Slideshow: See photos taken on the way down]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['Connery is an experienced stuntman', 7]], ' http://yhoo.it/KpUoHO', '[Slideshow: Death-defying daredevils]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['know that we have confidence in', 3]], 'http://yhoo.it/LqYjAX ', '[Related: The Secret Service guide to Cartagena]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['We picked up this other dog and', 5]], 'http://yhoo.it/JUSxvi', '[Related: 8 common dog fears, how to calm them]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['accused of running a fake hepatitis B', 5]], 'http://bit.ly/JnoJYN', '[Related: Did WH share raid details with filmmakers?]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['accused of running a fake hepatitis B', 3]], 'http://bit.ly/KoKiqJ', '[Factbox: AQAP, al-Qaeda in Yemen]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have my contacts on or glasses', 3]], 'http://abcn.ws/KTE5AZ', '[Related: Should the murder charge be dropped?]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have made this nation great as Sarah Palin', 5]], 'http://yhoo.it/JD7nlD', '[Related: Bristol Palin reality show debuts June 19]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have made this nation great as Sarah Palin', 1]], 'http://bit.ly/JRPFRO', '[Related: McCain adviser who vetted Palin weighs in on VP race]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['A JetBlue flight from New York to Las Vegas', 3]], 'http://yhoo.it/GV9zpj', '[Related: View photos of the JetBlue plane in Amarillo]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot and killed', 15]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/white-house-stays-out-of-teen-s-killing-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/cv/ip/ap/default/120411/martinzimmermen.jpg', '630', ' ', 'AP', ], [ [['Titanic', 7]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/titanic-anniversary/', ' ', 'http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/b/4e/b4e5ad9f00b5dfeeec2226d53e173569.jpeg', '550', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['He was in shock and still strapped to his seat', 6]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/navy-jet-crashes-in-virginia-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/cv/ip/ap/default/120406/jet_ap.jpg', '630', ' ', 'AP', ], [ [['xxxxxxxxxxxx', 11]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/russian-grannies-win-bid-to-sing-at-eurovision-1331223625-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/1/56/156d92f2760dcd3e75bcd649a8b85fcf.jpeg', '500', ' ', 'AP', ] ]
    [ [ [['did not go as far his colleague', 8]], '29438204', '0' ], [ [[' the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot and killed', 4]], '28924649', '0' ], [ [['because I know God protects me', 14], ['Brian Snow was at a nearby credit union', 5]], '28811216', '0' ], [ [['The state news agency RIA-Novosti quoted Rosaviatsiya', 6]], '28805461', '0' ], [ [['measure all but certain to fail in the face of bipartisan', 4]], '28771014', '0' ], [ [['matter what you do in this case', 5]], '28759848', '0' ], [ [['presume laws are constitutional', 7]], '28747556', '0' ], [ [['has destroyed 15 to 25 houses', 7]], '28744868', '0' ], [ [['short answer is yes', 7]], '28746030', '0' ], [ [['opportunity to tell the real story', 7]], '28731764', '0' ], [ [['entirely respectable way to put off the searing constitutional controversy', 7]], '28723797', '0' ], [ [['point of my campaign is that big ideas matter', 9]], '28712293', '0' ], [ [['As the standoff dragged into a second day', 7]], '28687424', '0' ], [ [['French police stepped up the search', 17]], '28667224', '0' ], [ [['Seeking to elevate his candidacy back to a general', 8]], '28660934', '0' ], [ [['The tragic story of Trayvon Martin', 4]], '28647343', '0' ], [ [['Karzai will get a chance soon to express', 8]], '28630306', '0' ], [ [['powerful storms stretching', 8]], '28493546', '0' ], [ [['basic norm that death is private', 6]], '28413590', '0' ], [ [['songwriter also saw a surge in sales for her debut album', 6]], '28413590', '1', 'Watch music videos from Whitney Houston ', 'on Yahoo! Music', 'http://music.yahoo.com' ], [ [['keyword', 99999999999999999999999]], 'videoID', '1', 'overwrite-pre-description', 'overwrite-link-string', 'overwrite-link-url' ] ]
    Loading...