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    Responses to debt deal range from angry to angrier

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — From the right and center: mild disgust. From the left: outright anger.

    Americans showed a range of emotions and responses to the debt-limit deal President Barack Obama and top leaders of Congress struck Sunday, but few were positive. Except perhaps relief that the weeks of wrangling was finally over.

    Phil Waters of Anchorage, Alaska, gave a variation of a common response.

    "It should have happened a real long time ago," said Waters, a 60-year-old semiretired helicopter mechanic as he sat inside Darwin's Theory, a downtown Anchorage bar. "It never should have gotten this far out of hand."

    Waters, who described himself as an "almost Libertarian conservative," said he would have liked to see a lot more cuts than the spending reductions Obama and House Speaker John Boehner agreed to.

    But Kiran Mahto of Portland, Ore., who volunteered for the Obama campaign in 2008, would have preferred no deal at all to the concessions he felt the president made to congressional Republicans.

    Mahto, a 35-year-old managing editor who works in health care information technology, said the agreement is the latest in a long string of times Obama has disappointed him, and vowed it would be the last.

    "I'm actively opposed to this president now. That also goes for his party since they've been silent through the whole ordeal," said Mahto, who thinks the debt deal will lead to an Obama defeat in 2012. "Cutting the deficit will do nothing to get people jobs. Without jobs and without a liberal base, he will lose."

    The agreement would cut at least $2.4 trillion from federal spending over a decade, but allowed the country to avoid a first-ever debt default and extended the Treasury's authority to borrow beyond the 2012 elections.

    Even the outline of the agreement, much less the details, left those without strong feelings confused and frustrated.

    Brett Piper, 34, and Matthew Crosby, 30, radiology residents visiting Silver Spring, Md., from Indianapolis for a conference felt that they have probably been paying more attention to the debate than most, but were still unsure how much they could really understand.

    "It's hard to know what to trust," Piper said. "The issue is made so complicated that it's tough for the average American to make sense of it."

    Crosby agreed.

    "It just makes me mad," he said. "I'm innately interested, but I just get frustrated."

    Piper said he is a Republican but doesn't feel that he can trust the Republicans.

    "It's a political game," Piper said. "And in this game, everyone looks bad."

    In Philadelphia, Patrick Lucey, 25, of West Grove, Pa., had to explain the debt ceiling crisis to his friend, Enzo Amara, 25, of Montpellier, France, who just sighed.

    Lucey said he thinks the large federal deficit will definitely be a burden to young people like himself who will have to pay for government programs far into the future. But he was philosophical. "It's something expected," he said of the government deficit. "It's not a surprise."

    "I'll be paying bills, student loans, a mortgage for the next 30 years," he said. "I'm not going to let this bring me down. It's one more thing I'll owe. When you're born, you start owing."

    Others felt that even without grasping the details, they understood the deeper reality behind the deal.

    "As long as these people let the oil companies and big business do what they do, nothing will change," said taxi driver Harvey Philpot, 52, of North Philadelphia, Pa. "It's all about big business."

    And Attorney John Trotman, 42, of Philadelphia, said "I feel like the debt ceiling became an issue because the Republicans turned it into one. It was an issue of creation. It was talking points for them. We're headed toward an election and the Republicans want to get Obama."

    But there was also support for leaders hammering out the compromise.

    Donald Price, a grocery store worker from Oxon Hill, Md., said he prays for the two sides in Congress to work together.

    "I think they're just doing the best they can do," Price said. "We don't know what they face every day."

    Many, including foreign nationals visiting the United States, were happy that worries about a debt default and international financial havoc could be put to rest.

    Several British tourists discussed the developments in Times Square, not far from the National Debt Clock, a billboard-size digital display showing how much money the United States owes. They noted that Britain has had to cut costs over the last few years.

    "For us in Europe it's a good thing," said one of the tourists, Andrew Harris, who works for an airline. "We were waiting for them to come to an agreement. It was really a scary thing to hear. What happens in the U.S. always has an impact in Europe."

    Ernie Robert, 52, of Deerfield, N.H., was at a Dallas shopping mall's ice rink watching a youth hockey practice when he learned that a debt deal had been reached.

    Robert, who considers himself an independent voter, said he would have been far more disappointed had leaders "kicked the can down the road for six months," but nevertheless said "I'm not impressed" with the long process that led to the deal.

    "I don't think it has to be that way," Robert said.

    But Nancy Curry, 76, a patron at Manuel's Tavern in Atlanta, believed that stretched-out standoffs are simply the norm in the nation's current political circumstances.

    "I think anything nowadays is going to be just like this was," she said.

    ___

    Associated Press writers Rachel D'Oro in Anchorage, Sarah Brumfield in Silver Spring, Janet McMillan in Philadelphia, Karen Zraick in New York, Terry Wallace in Dallas and Ray Henry in Atlanta contributed to this story.

     

    4,961 comments

    • Frank  •  10 mths ago
      it's a--LOSE,LOSE any way one looks at it for "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE"--(AMERICAN TAXPAYER) and i'd say : americans in general are NOT as ANGRY as they SHOULD BE!!!
      • Michael Hanson 10 mths ago
        true
      • tropical 1 10 mths ago
        Frank we can get mad but what can we do the government lies, works it out to protect themselves, piss on us. Obama's Switchboard 202 456-1414 Comment line is 202 456-1111
      • Robert 10 mths ago
        This so called agreement does not reduce spending and the deficit. It adds 7% more to our debt each year and cuts nothing. More lies from both sides.
    • Lucky Lee  •  10 mths ago
      I don't know anyone is happy! This doesnot create any jobs! Put Tarriffs on all incoming goods,and make Dam sure that are Tarriffs on out going Food Stuff. See if we can stop giving all those Countries Billions for weapon systems, that we will have to Fight in the Future! Take care of America First and then just maybe we won't have to BORROW to help another Country when it has a disaster.
      • Sagginmore 10 mths ago
        Look up "Protectionism" it has something to do with tariffs.
      • KunkaSemena 10 mths ago
        The USA has had duties and tariffs since colonial times, and so has the rest of the world. Call it "protectionism" if you want to, but when the USA eliminated and/or reduced duties on imports, our jobs went overseas, and we are still trying to make more trade agreements with countries we already have a trade deficit with, such as South Korea and Cental American countries. We need to put the duties back and bring back the jobs to the USA.
      • Randi 10 mths ago
        It is NOT the federal govt's business to create jobs! Where in the heck did you learn that? The only jobs they create are inefficient, expensive (pension heavy), wasted tax funded, paper pushers. Lee, get a clue, will ya?
    • Maria Alves Devicente  •  10 mths ago
      I don't have any more words that I can found in the diccionary to express my anger and disapoinment at all this circus in congress
      • Joe 10 mths ago
        Merriam Webster-- (on line) d i c t i o n a r y
      • Saken 10 mths ago
        two words: Zeitgeist Movement
      • Will 10 mths ago
        "find" "Dictionary" "disappointment".
    • paulfriedman7  •  10 mths ago
      We are no longer a people ruled by majority vote. A small minority can impose its will on the majority.
      • Patrick 10 mths ago
        Best comment on the thread.
      • A Yahoo! User 10 mths ago
        For your information ! America is NOT a Democracy but a REPUBLIC ! In a Democracy the Majority rules , that is why we have the Electorial College because America is and has always been a REPUBLIC ! In a Presidential Election you can win the majority but loose the Electorial College and thus Loose the Election.
      • ktenreb 10 mths ago
        It would help if the President had a spine. He's trying to look like a grown-up, but in reality he looks like a weiner.
    • bobby  •  10 mths ago
      We should demand term limits and cut politians pensions. That would change some attitudes
      • Vger 10 mths ago
        Term limits are not the answer. They will undermine the elected representatives and give them less intermediate term interest in the outcome. They will shift power and experience to staff and lobbyists. We need fair districts, not gerrymandering, so our votes count so that reasonable people will run and get elected, not extremists. Federal politicians should be in the Social Security retirement system, not their own.
      • AMERICAN1975 10 mths ago
        We already have term limits- there called elections. We cant blame the politicains for our votes or laziness. If you want to see why term limits are a disaster, look to California. All elected office degenerates into is a resumee builder for your future job as a lobyist, and eliminates the possibility of building the experience necessary to actual govern, causing the unelected insiders to completely take over the show...
    • who do  •  10 mths ago
      Your Government is worried more about re-elections than America or the American people
    • Mental Model  •  10 mths ago
      And the sad part is....the politician's think that WE owe THEM.

      They will come out and tell us how hard they fought for us.

      B U L L, they fought for their own continued prosperity.

      Thanks for nothing D.C.
    • Gringo  •  10 mths ago
      For whatever reason, this country no longer produces statesmen. Only career politicians.
    • sunny h  •  10 mths ago
      WE THE PEOPLE need to demand term limits on the Congess and Senate. We have it on the President, why not them?
    • Bill  •  10 mths ago
      I sure miss those olden days when our adversaries were "them-there foreign commies" instead of our own self-serving politicians.
    • Josephine  •  10 mths ago
      what a farce.... who really won? not the American people.
    • Benrene  •  10 mths ago
      Clean up Congress first. Then pull all retirements that are less than twenty years working for the Government, let them pick out their own Health insurance, and pay for it themselves.
      They don't serve the American people, they serve themselves.
    • Linda  •  10 mths ago
      Our govt. has shown a failure to govern"they" are nothing more than whiney brats "playing" silly "games" and wrecking American lives!
    • John Vinson  •  10 mths ago
      If they want to make cuts they should start with the elected officials retirement plans... Where else can you work for 2 years and draw 100% retirement check and not have to pay into social security because you have your own plan!!! They cost the tax payers millions every year
    • JohnGreybeard  •  10 mths ago
      "Disgust" doesn't even begin to describe what this voter is feeling. Every re-election donation request I get from any member of Congress will be returned to them empty except for a note about how totally incompetent they have proven themselves to be.
    • LW  •  10 mths ago
      The key now is to remember the anger, not get distracted by the Next Big Crisis/Scandal, not let the media spin it away with creepy-looking politicians smiling and touching each others' shoulders reassuringly, and vote accordingly when it comes time to do so. We shouldn't accept the bickering followed by last minute deals and handshakes as the new normal, either.

      I don't even care what side people are on. We have to come together and vote enough of these people out so that they learn a lesson. We should stop supporting those who are clearly just trying to get on the news (anyone hear from Palin during all this- there's a reason), and we shouldn't vote for people just because they chant the word Change repeatedly. We need to demand actual leadership.
    • K  •  10 mths ago
      Congressional Reform Act of 2011

      1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

      2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

      3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

      4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

      5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

      6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

      7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.

      8. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

      THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!!
    • luna  •  10 mths ago
      Fire them all next election. If they can't do their jobs, if they have to put the country through this kind of farce of political posturing on any important matter, they don't belong in positions of power. Start over and hope the new crop gets the message.
    • Bill  •  10 mths ago
      Social Security is no more an "entitlement program" than is a home or auto insurance policy. If the premiums have been paid, the benefits should be paid when appropriate. They should not be held for ransom in order to fulfill an unassociated agenda.
    • Brian  •  10 mths ago
      Anyone else tired of the government declaring a crisis every time a bill needs to be passed? The President consistently says the people shouldn’t have to worry about the everyday dealings of congress, yet every time a bill needs to be passed the politicians threaten to take my future entitlements. And by entitlements I mean the social security that I am currently paying cash for from every paycheck.
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