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    Scientists find monster black holes, biggest yet

    CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Scientists have found the biggest black holes known to exist — each one 10 billion times the mass of our sun.

    A team led by astronomers at the University of California, Berkeley, discovered the two gigantic black holes in clusters of elliptical galaxies more than 300 million light years away. That's relatively close on the galactic scale.

    "They are monstrous," Berkeley astrophysicist Chung-Pei Ma told reporters. "We did not expect to find such massive black holes because they are more massive than indicated by their galaxy properties. They're kind of extraordinary."

    The previous black hole record-holder is as large as 6 billion suns.

    In research released Monday by the journal Nature, the scientists suggest these black holes may be the leftovers of quasars that crammed the early universe. They are similar in mass to young quasars, they said, and have been well hidden until now.

    The scientists used ground-based telescopes as well as the Hubble Space Telescope and Texas supercomputers, observing stars near the black holes and measuring the stellar velocities to uncover these vast, invisible regions.

    Black holes are objects so dense that nothing, not even light, can escape. Some are formed by the collapse of a super-size star. It's uncertain how these two newly discovered whoppers originated, said Nicholas McConnell, a Berkeley graduate student who is the study's lead author. To be so massive now means they must have grown considerably since their formation, he said.

    Most if not all galaxies are believed to have black holes at their center. The bigger the galaxy, it seems, the bigger the black hole.

    Quasars are some of the most energized and distant of galactic centers.

    The researchers said their findings suggest differences in the way black holes grow, depending on the size of the galaxy.

    Ma speculates these two black holes remained hidden for so long because they are living in quiet retirement — much quieter and more boring than their boisterous youth powering quasars billions of years ago.

    "For an astronomer, finding these insatiable black holes is like finally encountering people nine feet tall whose great height had only been inferred from fossilized bones. How did they grow so large?" Ma said in a news release. "This rare find will help us understand whether these black holes had very tall parents or ate a lot of spinach."

    Oxford University astrophysicist Michele Cappellari, who wrote an accompanying commentary in the journal, agreed that the two newly discovered black holes "probably represent the missing dormant relics of the giant black holes that powered the brightest quasars in the early universe."

    One of the newly detected black holes weighs 9.7 billion times the mass of the sun. The second, slightly farther from Earth, is as big or even bigger.

    Even larger black holes may be lurking out there. Ma said that's the million-dollar question: How big can a black hole grow?

    The researchers already are peering into the biggest galaxies for answers.

    "If there is any bigger black hole," Ma said, "we should be able to find them in the next year or two. Personally, I think we are probably reaching the high end now. Maybe another factor of two to go at best."

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    2,717 comments

    • Sonny  •  Abbotsford, Canada  •  2 mths ago
      we are like fish in a fishbowl gazing out
    • Amber  •  Wichita Falls, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Yay! I'm loving all these science/space stories Yahoo is finally writing about! Much better news than the 'celebrities' of Hollywood and how tragic their lives are. Pfft.
      • Eric 5 mths ago
        I'm glad to see an appreciation for science and progress is returning. It almost seems to be a cycle. A very depressing cycle.....
      • Paul 5 mths ago
        Agreed, time to expand our horizons and live up to our potential.
      • Paul 5 mths ago
        Amber is kinda cute too, yay for smart girls
    • Samson  •  5 mths ago
      Great article Yahoo! This is what we need. Drop the Kardashians and keep these coming.
      • Alex 5 mths ago
        Samson...what I think you meant was "Drop all the Kardashians in the black hole" and keep the good/cool articles coming. While we're doing some "house cleaning"....let's drop in Chris Chase from Yahoo Sports.
      • Anon E. Moose 5 mths ago
        Sssssssssspaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccccccce!!!!!!
      • DTOM 5 mths ago
        +1 to dropping Chris Chase! They havent fired him yet, so he must be black!
    • looch  •  Laurens, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Ever look up and think about how amazing the universe is? How amazing and unbelievable it is to be alive? We've forgotten what a gift it really is.....
      • Jack 5 mths ago
        Nope. The biggest black hole is anything you say. lol
      • rick 5 mths ago
        That's what happens when you have a global society that lives for empty consumerism and greed.
      • I.P. C. 5 mths ago
        Yes.. My apartment have really huge windows on southern side overlooking huge fields and almost every evening I look at the sky above with so many sparkles, even just for a minute, with the same thought you expressed in your post. :)
    • Juanderful  •  Brea, United States  •  5 mths ago
      So... seems like Yahoo has been listening to its readers after all.

      Yay for more science/space articles!
      • Dany 5 mths ago
        But they still fail to provide pictures.
      • The Cab 5 mths ago
        Space is amazing
      • Craig Tucker 5 mths ago
        I wanna touch it! Well get sucked in by it. I'll be the guinea pig!
    • Phil  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I'm glad that thing is 300 million light years away.
      • Levi 5 mths ago
        I'm with you! Black holes "suck"!
      • The Love Doctor 5 mths ago
        To Levi hahahahaha... Good one!
      • Erwin Alexander 5 mths ago
        in space measurement that's not very far.. you should say "what? ONLY 300 million light years away???
    • *A Concerned Individual*  •  5 mths ago
      What would happen if two black holes were to collide ?
    • jeanette  •  Manila, Philippines  •  5 mths ago
      Would there be a second Big Bang if all matter were eaten by black holes and all of those black holes merge into one? I think I'm not the only one wondering about this, right?
    • Dr. Amore  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Space is so got dam beautiful and fascinating!
    • espi  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  5 mths ago
      now see this is what i'm talking about! i could read these articles all day, but enough with the amazing "viral-kinda sorta" videos as well as what color kim kardashians underwear is on tuesdays.
    • Stephanie Marcrum  •  Spartanburg, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Cool, and interesting..now watch the subject of the comments change to politics some way or another.....
    • Gregory  •  Greenville, United States  •  5 mths ago
      One word....wow!
    • incognito  •  Guadalajara, Mexico  •  5 mths ago
      thanks God!!! something interesting... there's no more news about the "KRAP-DASHIANS"
    • Disaster  •  5 mths ago
      This is awesome. Everyday they find another piece to the puzzle. Our space program is a testament to the forward thinking men and and women in our country. It's the best example we have for pushing the human race forward. Some people like to chide the US government for not doing anything right, they need to rethink that.
    • Publius  •  5 mths ago
      Black Holes in a Nutshell: Every object has a "Schwarzschild radius"--the distance from the center of the object such that, if all its mass were compressed within that sphere, the escape velocity from the surface of the object would equal the speed of light, and it would become a black hole. The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to its mass. Our Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3.0 km (1.9 mi) while the Earth's is only about 9.0 mm. If some force could compress the Sun down to a diameter of 6 km--or the Earth to 18mm--it would become a black hole.

      A star is born from a cloud of gas collapsing under its own gravity. When the density becomes great enough, nuclear fusion (primarily hydrogen to helium) begins, producing enormous positive energy pressure that resists further collapse of the cloud from gravity. When the nuclear fuel runs low and there is no longer enough to sustain the fusion reaction, the outward radiation pressure drops and the star collapses (usually after blowing off its outer layers in a supernova). If the post-supernova mass of the stellar remnant is less than about 3–4 times the mass of our Sun, gravity is still insufficient to cause complete collapse, because further collapse is resisted by the “degeneracy pressure," the quantum mechanical resistance of subatomic particles to occupying the same location. (Pauli exclusion principle.) A super dense stellar remnant of a few km across remains--either a white dwarf or a neutron star.

      If the post-supernova mass of the stellar remnant exceeds about 3–4 solar masses, even the degeneracy pressure is insufficient to resist the force of gravity and stop the complete collapse. Once a stellar remnant collapses within its Schwartzchild radius, light cannot escape and the star is no longer visible. General relativity says the matter collapses to a singularity, a region where the spacetime curvature becomes infinite. A singularity has no “size,”only mass, electric charge and angular momentum (spin). Quantum mechanical effects MAY in reality prevent the formation of a classical singularity, but even then we are talking about something with the mass of between 3 and billions of Suns in a volume approximately one Planck length across (10^-35 meter), far to small to be seen with any existing device. For practical purposes the black hole itself has no "size," and in either case, it does not make much sense to talk about what a black hole is “made of”; the naswer to that is, "nothing that exists outside a black hole."

      The event horizon (the point of no return for in-falling matter or energy = the Schwatzchild radius), by contrast, is proportional to the mass of the black hole in the ratio of about 2.95 km per solar mass. The smallest observed black hole has a mass 3.8 times our Sun's and so an event horizon about 22.5 kilometers in diameter (3.8 X 2.95 X 2). The supermassive black hole in the center of our galaxy, with about 4.5 million solar masses, has an event horizon about 26.5 million kilometers in diameter (4.5 million X 2.95 X 2). That is still TINY relatively speaking (0.00000265 light year, if i carried my zeros correctly, whereas our galaxy is about 100,000 light years across), and we are about 27,000 - 28,000 light years from the galactic core (in the suburbs). So nothing to fear!
    • Tom  •  5 mths ago
      They should have a scientist proofread these articles. It is actually the mass of 10 billion suns, not size. It sounds like nitpicking, but it is a big difference. The mass is 10 billion suns, but the size is actually probably smaller than the sun. It is the density that makes it a blackhole.
    • Double E  •  Philadelphia, United States  •  5 mths ago
      To correct the author's terminology:

      1. Each of these black holes are 10 billion times the "mass" of the sun, not 10 billion times the "size" of the sun. "Size" refers to physical dimension. "Mass" is a measurement of how much "stuff" something is consisted of.

      2. "Density", on the other hand, is mass per unit volume. Density doesn't affect gravitational attraction, it's mass that does. Would you rather get hit in the head with something the size of a bowling ball that is made out of steel or that is made out of styrofoam? They're dimensionally the same "size", but the steel is more "dense", therefore it has more "mass" per unit volume, and will hurt yer noggin' more than the identically "sized" but significantly less "dense" and therefore less "massive" styrofoam ball will.

      Something can be extremely dense but if it is only one molecule in size, then it won't yield much of a gravitational field. What makes black holes unique is their extreme density and therefore, high levels of mass per any specific unit volume compared to other substances.
    • Josh Rambo  •  Detroit, United States  •  5 mths ago
      FINALLY! A place to put all the politicians!
    • Stinkbug  •  5 mths ago
      How come people have no problem believing in Black Holes or God, but if you tell them that the paint is wet they have to touch it?
    • Daniel  •  Burlington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      They mean "mass" not "size" don't they.
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