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    Social Security, Medicare Cuts: Obama's Debt Ceiling Talks Offering a 2012 Loser?

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    COMMENTARY | President Barack Obama announced Monday during a news conference that Social Security and Medicare were on the table for consideration as spending cuts as part of a compromise deal with Republicans to raise the debt ceiling. He said that tough decisions were going to have to be made in order for a deal to be reached. Obama said he will refuse any short-term debt ceiling deal, but nothing could be done if one side refuses to negotiate (a pointed remark at Republican intransigence about tax breaks and loopholes). Default and government shutdown was not acceptable, he said.

    But cutting the benefits for the aged, the disabled, children, and the poor are acceptable?

    The tough decisions all seem to weigh heavily on senior citizens and the poor, the unemployed and those dependent upon entitlement programs. Tax breaks and loopholes and the elimination of unnecessary subsidies (all of which Republicans refer to as "increasing taxes") hurt mainly bank accounts of the wealthy, all of which could not only add revenues to government coffers and reestablish surpluses in government spending like in the days of the Clinton administration but would make spending cuts to Social Security and Medicaid unnecessary.

    Besides, those tax breaks are not true "tax increases," they're a reestablishing of the tax level that was being paid during the Clinton administration. The Bush tax breaks allowed a respite, allowed the wealthy to get far wealthier. They've done next to nothing for the poor. The proof is in the economy. However, Republicans want to make those tax breaks permanent, even increase the amounts and percentages allowed. All of which decreases potential federal revenue. And when federal revenues are not there to meet spending, deficit occurs. The national debt rises.

    Republicans thus far in the debt ceiling debate have demanded spending cuts -- and rightly so for some targeted and unnecessary programs (not to mental future fiscal budgets). Social Security and Medicare are hardly part of those. Although the argument can be made that they're a huge part of the budget and that there are problems within the programs that could increase efficiency and save taxpayer dollars, that is not the same as cutting overall benefits to those whose standard of living and medical welfare depend upon their benefits and monthly government stipends.

    But in demanding spending cuts, the Republicans have offered nothing in return. Of course, they don't have to -- the spending cuts they prefer, for the most part, are part of excessive discretionary spending, mostly for programs they do not support -- such as Social Security and Medicare and social assistance programs.

    But taking away the tax cuts and the loopholes, tax code breaks like decreased capital gains and inheritance taxes, have helped increased the national debt to the point it is at present. The Bush tax breaks also decreased federal revenues while the country pursued two major wars, which were subsidized by foreign loans, was considered emergency funding (extra-budgetary), and increased the national deficit in addition to the yearly fiscal deficits.

    Re-establishing taxes to their former level (across the board, or only on the nation's most wealthy, which is what has been proposed by Democrats) would raise revenues and aid in maintaining current discretionary spending standards and decrease the deficit. (And a decreased deficit -- or a nonexistent one in the case of a balanced budget -- adds less to the national debt.)

    President Obama said during the press conference: "I want to be crystal clear -- nobody has talked about increasing taxes now. Nobody has talked about increases -- increasing taxes next year."

    And the debate goes back to the Democrats offering over at least $1 trillion in targeted spending cuts (estimated to cut the overall deficit by $4 billion in the next decade), but Republicans offering nothing in exchange, nothing to increase government revenues (until 2013, when Obama proposes the tax breaks to be rescinded -- a proposition that Republicans oppose), and continuing the protection of tax breaks for the wealthy (because the tax breaks they are protecting do not affect the poor and the unemployed). All just to get Republicans to raise the debt ceiling, something that, if not done, will cause a government shutdown and cascading economic consequences not just in the U. S., but worldwide as America begins to default on its debts.

    And now President Obama would chastise Democrats for not wanting to "do anything with entitlements: would prefer, frankly, not to have to do anything on some of these debt and deficit problems"? And then offer up the safety nets of the poor and the aged just to get a deal with a political party that would sacrifice Social Security and Medicare in order to protect a few tax dollars per millionaire -- those that readily admit they can afford it?

    Consider that while the unemployment and underemployment rate puts the total of unemployed at nearly 25 million individuals. And that there are nearly 50 million individuals receiving food stamps. At the same time, tax subsidies for oil companies continue in an industry that sees record profits. And businesses have seen record profits throughout the Great Recession and on into the economic "recovery."

    And while he is looking to close the deal on a "grand compromise" that actually shows no compromise from Republicans and the bowing to their demands by Democrats, does President Obama truly believe that he can be reelected if he continues to offer social assistance and entitlement programs as part the deal when Americans (liberals, conservatives, and independents) in poll after poll are against such spending cuts? This is the Democrat that liberals elected as President -- a politician that would so easily cut programs that hundreds of millions of Americans have paid into throughout their working lives so that part of -- if not all of -- their economic and health burdens might be alleviated if necessary and when they reach retirement age?

    President Obama might want to start acting like a Democratic president and begin negotiating from the strengths of popular opinion with regard to Social Security and Medicare in the debt ceiling talks. Democratic legislators need to stand firm against offering the entitlement programs as part of the deal. The Republicans have already established that they are willing to destroy Medicare (read: Paul Ryan's 2012 budget and Medicare restructuring). Let them feel the public's wrath in 2012. And if President Obama continues giving in to Republican demands, let a Republican have the White House. The next president might have a difficult time advancing the ultra-conservative agenda of eliminating entitlements with a Congress with a majority of Democrats.

     

    60 comments

    • Chuck  •  10 mths ago
      If the democrates would not have dipped into social security( Pres Johnson) ssa would be soliverent. By the way where are all the monies that people have payed into ss and died before drawing a dime and still dying without drawing anything.. Something is wrong, don't you agree
    • Anna  •  10 mths ago
      if the government would stop funding space exploration (which is futile...there is no life, nor means of life, on other planets...and if there were, again, only the rich would benefit...) then we would be more able to take care of our deficits...
    • Nancy  •  10 mths ago
      My 87 year old mother is below poverty level income with SS and my father's government pension and still paying a ton for insurance and medicines and they are going to cut her income down? How about cutting welfare to foreigners who come here with no intention of working and bring their grandparents over to live off food stamps and section 8? How about cutting spending caused by the government overspending on supplies used daily, like a $10 pencil? The government has to fire all those who ok Purchase orders for supplies over the average market value. We should not be paying 2000% over normal market value for items sold to our government. The elderly whose hard work and a lifetime of sweat and fought in WWII and Korea should NOT be losing benefits. CLOSE THE FREAKIN DOORS TO AMERICA FOR A FEW YEARS. Our tax dollars aren't supporting American's born here, so we sure as heck should not be supporting the world's indigent who come here in droves. It has to stop!!!!!!!!!
    • Sharon  •  10 mths ago
      I thought I would never see this kind of stuff in my lifetime,,,but here it is!!! My brother-in-law an myself are on medicare-disability and we barely can make it now!! We will be totaly screwed if this plan goes thru,,and I know we wont be by ourselves,,millions of Americans will also suffer!!! Just remember you government know it all's...IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!!!!!!
    • Angel  •  10 mths ago
      Let me get everything I have put into social security and medicare over my 30 plus years of work and you can cut all you want and not give me a cent when I retire. If you can't do this then leave my #@$@#$% social security and medicare alone and cut your %$$# political pay checks.
      • larry 10 mths ago
        The Preident of the Teemsters Union went to prison for useing thier retirement fund for other things.SS is the retirement fund of working Americans,not the rich.The tax is colected only on the amount most working people make, company profits and stock income is untaxed.
        My Question,"How can it be an entitlement if the reciever payed for it?'.
        The only cuts to SS I would not call crimial would be in the administration cost.
    • Sharon  •  10 mths ago
      leave my social security and future medicare alone. stop spending trillions of dollars on space projects and bailing out other countries. spend that money too save us and take care of our needy children, elderly and the sick. obama get smart and leave our elderly programs alone
      • FORMER MARINE 10 mths ago
        whoever wrote this piece of trash is a bold faced liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • raymon  •  10 mths ago
      My wife and I are over 65..and 25K Social Security is our total income.. the last two years they
      have not givens us the 3% increase. that is about 1500 dollars they CUT our Social Security..
      cut us 750 dollars a year ( lowest income people ) and give the well to do and the RICH the Bush tax cuts.. they can make a Million, call it capital gains and not paid a penny taxes. capital grains is buying and selling Stocks, real estates. any thing when no labor was required..
      ( NOT sweat Money) And they DO NOT pay Social Security taxes on capital grains ether
      I was a small business man. I know all about Taxes for S Corp..the owner pays the taxes
      not the company or Corpration.. Raising Taxes on the Rich.. will NOT HURT the Small Business Most do not paid any income taxes. they can control how much profit is shown on the tax forms...
      It makes me sick to hear those congresspersons (he or she) says things they know it is NOT true..They think we are that stupid..

      rm starling
      • sunni68 10 mths ago
        That money is going to 23 yr old moms who have 4-6 babies & to gang bangers who shoot each other up every night & land in ICU for 100,000 a day. Meanwhile they have never & most likey will never contribute anything more then welfare cases to our economy.
      • sherry 10 mths ago
        Raymon, you hit the nail on head with your statement! We are alll supposed to be united as one, USA! I would like to this happen - NO more Sides re: republicans or democrats which seems to do nothing but hurt most of us that are low, if not the lowest as far as income in the country. I happen to be on S.S. and this is my only source of income & medicare is my only source of insurance. I worked many,many yrs to get these benefits I paid into & now they are talking about cutting them!?? Not to mention, Not getting a cost of living increase for the last 2 years. I have cut everything that I can cut at this point,and I not making ends meet. I am so frustrated with the way this country has gone straight to he*** in a hand basket, every since the Bush's have been in the white house and made rules to help the rich and beat down the poor (lower income) this country and it's morals, and humanity for each other have went straight out the window! I only hope that Obama does right by all the people that are in my situation. He said he would fight for us on these Very important issues and has Not done so. I can only pray to God that they do NOTcut Social Security or Medicare benefits because it is so very wrong to do so. I don't know what will happen to me if they do?? (sorry this was so long)
    • babydoll  •  10 mths ago
      I thoght that they had money for Social Security until 2036.That what they said.
    • Master Blaster  •  10 mths ago
      I will vote against any politician regardless of party that reduces social security or medicare If Obama or any of the republicans want to stay in office this is one thing they had better remember
      • stephanie 10 mths ago
        Bring back all the jobs from overseas, so the middle class can survive. Thats a big part of the problem. From very poor to Rich. Cut Salaries in DC. No votes for you in 2012.
    • itdidnotwork  •  10 mths ago
      Obama has decided he is a one term president. Only a fool would put SS and medicare on a negotiating table and expect to win a second term. Republicans in Congress are laughing at him!!! And Democrats (like me) would vote his #$$$ OUT!!!
    • Jim  •  10 mths ago
      How about a real fix.. Lets start by restricting our "Military Actions" to one at a time... then how about we fix the screw up that was Nafta and bring back jobs and money to the american people, instead of huge tax cuts to companies that have left the US for cheaper labor. How many billions did we just save? How much more revenue was just generated?
    • Lesser of 2 evils  •  10 mths ago
      Tax cuts for the rich last Dec. and now he is willing to cut SS & Medicare benefits?
      .
      If Obama want's to be a republican he should switch parties and let a real democrat run for office in 2012.
      • Ben 10 mths ago
        ......you mean someone who will give out hand outs?......
    • Debbie  •  10 mths ago
      I will write in someone before I will vote for anyone who cuts Social Security. I won't vote for either party, I will write in Ross Perot, or even my mail lady who could do a better job.
    • Mr. Moo  •  10 mths ago
      CUT THE CONGRESS/SENATE/PRESIDENT SALARIES AND PENSIONS IN HALF..

      LET THEM EARN A REAL LIVING
    • tld  •  10 mths ago
      Obama is a sure loser if he touches SS or MC. There are much more of us that would vote his #$%$ out of office than he thinks.
    • zsz  •  10 mths ago
      Cutting SS and Medicare is a robbery, those money are people's money, better not touch it. You better cut all that foreign spending to zero, those countries ARE NOT our friends, those are riding on our backs. The best exemple is Pakistan, giving shelter and protection to Bin Laden. MONEY DON'T BUY LOVE.
    • VENENUM  •  10 mths ago
      Don't mess with SS or Medicare. Big mistake.
    • James  •  10 mths ago
      I agree with almost every comment I read, but the one I agree with the most is lowering of all congressional reps. wages and including Pres. and Vice Pres. Have not heard anything from them on that.
    • don  •  10 mths ago
      go after the welfare fraud people and send illegals back to there countries,and the weathly should start paying their dues,cut the politians salary, also stop sending money to foreign countries that hate us,and bring our troops home,leave retirement pensions alone,also social security and medicare alone,these are programs paid for by our paychecks,this government sucks.
    • The Kano  •  10 mths ago
      Cut Social Security! I'll be 60 years old soon, and I retired to the Philippines to live off my retirement income from 30 years in AT&T. And now Obama wants to cut Social Security? I hope the Democrats will refuse to negotiate on this issue.
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