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    Soldier's death sparks debate over arming medevacs

    BAGRAM AIR FIELD, Afghanistan (AP) — It took a medevac unit 59 minutes to get U.S. Army Spec. Chazray Clark to a hospital in southern Afghanistan after receiving a call that a roadside bombing severed three of his limbs. Clark did not survive.

    "I need something, please. It hurts," Clark, a 24-year-old combat engineer from Detroit, can be heard saying on a videotape as he waited in the dark for the helicopter.

    But the rescue aircraft was unarmed, as are all Army medevacs. And the pre-dawn pickup zone in the Zhari district of Kandahar province was considered "hot," or dangerous, meaning the medevac could not swoop in for the pickup until another chopper with firepower arrived to provide cover.

    In Clark's case, the military says there was a delay in determining whether any armed escort helicopters already in the air could be diverted to the scene. It's unclear how long that lasted and whether it made a difference. Army officials said they could not disclose the time Clark died because of a policy not to reveal medical information about casualties.

    About 20 U.S. lawmakers have written to military officials inquiring about the Sept. 18, 2011 incident, which has revived a debate over whether Army medevac helicopters should have their own guns.

    "I feel like they should be armed. They're in war. Why aren't they armed? These young men and women are risking their lives," the soldier's mother, Keyko Davis-Clark, said by telephone from her home in Romulus, Michigan.

    Clark's mother, some medevac pilots and others who want to see the medevacs armed note that helicopters fly in pairs in Afghanistan. If both are armed, escorts wouldn't be needed and both could evacuate patients from the battlefield. That amounts to greater capacity, not less, they say, and there would be no waiting for escorts.

    In a Feb. 7 letter to a lawmaker, U.S. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the U.S. Central Command, which oversees Afghanistan, would be directed to review guidelines on the use of escort aircraft.

    Army officials say that waiting for an escort is rare, and that installing machine guns, ammunition and soldiers to man them would add roughly 600 pounds to a medevac chopper. That extra weight would limit its ability to fly in some high-altitude areas of Afghanistan and reduce the number of patients who could be evacuated at a time.

    "They try to lighten the aircraft as much as they can. They take seats out. They do all kinds of stuff," said Maj. Gen. Richard Thomas, surgeon general of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. "Weight is their enemy. They need to get lift and you need to get speed."

    Unlike the Army medevacs, which are emblazoned with red crosses, the Air Force, Special Operations Command and the British fly search-and-rescue and medevac missions with armed aircraft. They do not have red crosses, which can be displayed only on unarmed aircraft, according to the Geneva Conventions.

    The Army's goal is to get the most critically injured troops, or Category A patients, to a medical facility within 60 minutes after someone on the battlefield calls for the rescue. Clark reached the hospital one minute within the goal.

    The Army says that last year 167 Category A missions took longer than 60 minutes, nine of them because the medevac was waiting for an air weapons team. None of these delays affected the outcome for the patient, according to the Army.

    "You rarely wait" for an escort," said Maj. Graham Bundy, a medevac commander from Sussex, Wisconsin, who is stationed at a hangar at Bagram Air Field that operates like a firehouse waiting for a casualty call. "They could be off doing something else and get re-tasked (to escort a medevac) and that could cause a delay. In six months, I can't think of an instance."

    The Army boasts that a service member wounded in Afghanistan currently stands a 92 percent chance of surviving — the best rate of any war.

    Clark was among the 8 percent who didn't.

    After the explosion, Clark's fellow soldiers applied tourniquets to stop his bleeding. They were hopeful that he might survive even though both of his legs and most of his left arm were severed in the blast.

    A videotape of the incident filmed by author Michael Yon shows Clark writhing in pain. Yon, who writes articles often critical of the military on his online magazine, was embedded with Clark's unit, the 1st Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division out of Fort Riley, Kansas.

    After concluding that no armed escort helicopters already in the air could be dispatched to the rescue, the Army summoned an armed Apache AH-64 helicopter, parked at Kandahar Air Field, to the scene along with the medevac. The medevac crew loaded Clark aboard in two minutes and whisked him to the hospital.

    Ms. Clark is convinced that her son, who leaves a wife and stepson, would still be alive had he gotten there sooner.

    "He might be an amputee with three prosthetic limbs, but he would be here," said Ms. Clark, who has been writing letters to the military and lawmakers.

    Among her questions: If the landing zone was in such a hot zone, why wasn't there already an armed helicopter providing air support for the soldiers on the ground?

    "On the video, it didn't seem like there was fighting going on," she said, questioning why an escort was needed at all.

    The Army says armed escorts are mandatory for hot pickup zones. The requirement for an armed escort when militants are merely in the area is based on a risk assessment by aviation commanders and troops on the ground.

    Pilots, crew and medics who fly Afghanistan in 78 medevacs have a sole mission of recovering the wounded. Add guns to their helicopters and they would become a fighting aircraft too, according to the Army, which reviewed the issue in 2008 and decided to keep the medevacs unarmed.

    U.S. military officials also say that door guns can't match the precision firepower unleashed by Apache helicopters, which often escort medevacs. Limiting collateral damage is critical in Afghanistan where the death of civilians and destruction of property has put the U.S.-led coalition force at odds with the Afghan people.

    "I just don't see the precision fire capability that this fight really requires, especially when you've got aircraft around that are specifically designed with Hellfire missiles, .30mm cannons with laser range finding," said Col. T.J. Jamison of Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, who commands the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade based at Bagram. "You're not going to get that out of any door gun on the side of an aircraft."

    Critics of the policy, including Yon, say the Army's arguments for keeping medevacs unarmed are flawed.

    In Clark's case, had the medevac been armed, it could have had Clark airborne and flying to a hospital within 12 minutes of his unit calling for a medevac, Yon said.

    Also, armed HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopters equipped with door guns that were parked in Kandahar at the time could have picked up Clark and delivered him to a hospital in fewer than 35 minutes, he said. These helicopters often assist with medevac missions, but their primary mission is for personnel rescue and recovery.

    A medevac helicopter pilot flying in Afghanistan, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared repercussions from his superiors, challenged the Army's belief that weighing down medevacs with guns would result in fewer wounded troops being evacuated.

    The issue is not how many patients can fit in a helicopter, but how many patients the single medic aboard can treat at a time — and that is one, the pilot said.

    He said waiting a long time for an escort is not common — but one time is one too many.

    ___

    Associated Press Writer Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.

     
    • Rotorwash  •  Longmont, Colorado  •  3 mths ago
      Since when are Med Evac's the only option? In Vietnam I went in many times as an armed "slick" and picked up wounded. Covering "Dust-Off" in hot LZ was SOP but not always done, depending on the situtation. If you had the assets, good. If not, oh what the hell. I don't remember ever, ever leaving a wounded guy down without trying help.....It just didn't work that way.
      • Z U K 3 mths ago
        AMEN BROTHER............
      • american vet. 3 mths ago
        thanks
      • Edward 3 mths ago
        It could be that the 1st ID is a heavy mech division and might not have the allocation of armed Blackhawks, as they generally do not execute Air Assault missions. So they are limited to Medevac birds and Apaches. Plus the ROE is so jacked up you almost have to die to return fire..
    • SacArmyVet  •  Sacramento, California  •  3 mths ago
      You think the taliban care about a red cross on the helicopter? If anything it gives them more reason to open fire, they know they won't fire back. Like they care about rules of any kind. They've never heard of the Geneva Convention!
      • Strider's Boot 3 mths ago
        AND they're fighting for Religion. That means that they don't have to follow any rules.
      • Daniel 3 mths ago
        BUT if they fire at red cross marked unarmed helos, then the Geneva Convention says the gloves are off and we can do whatever we want without violating the convention.....you would think the politicians could read...
      • Edward 3 mths ago
        Not true Daniel, we will always take the moral high ground, if they (enemy) use a red cross or red crescent marked anything to fire at us from, then that item loses its protection under the GC.
    • Fred  •  Fayetteville, North Carolina  •  3 mths ago
      As a Vietnam vet I am shocked. Since when do "Dust-offs" need coverage to get a wounded soldier out?- In Vietnam the pick-up was done whether or not a site was hot.
      • Jack 3 mths ago
        You are absolutely right Brother.......hot or not they came in for us.....welcome back.
      • ac 3 mths ago
        better off considering every site as hot.
      • dittotdogg 3 mths ago
        As a AH64 pilot who escorts these guys whenever we can (and have for 2 Iraq and 1 Afghan tour) I can vouch for my dustoff brothers. I have worked with many who landed to Hot LZ over and over again even when they were not cleared to. Every one of these guys have no problems risking their life to save the soldier on the ground.
    • Cynthia W  •  Jacksonville, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      May he RIP. Condolence to his family!!!
      • Z U K 3 mths ago
        Welcome home brothers ! you are not forgotten and never will be!
      • AUSCHWITZ THE MEANIN ... 3 mths ago
        Once they find all his pieces he should !!
      • AUSCHWITZ THE MEANIN ... 3 mths ago
        He'll be forgotten !! Just like he forgot about IEDS,just like the military forgot to counter them with better protection and sweepers and dogs
    • lance  •  Montesano, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      Flew in medivac as medic. It was a given that we would go into and out of very dangerous areas, in very dangerous weather, not just in wartime either. I knew the risk as did the other crewmembers and it was accepted as part of the job. Never did I hear we were going to wait for cover, good weather, or a large enough LZ, we went.
      • Rogue Sailor 3 mths ago
        Well said & Thanks Doc

        CWO USN (Retired)
        100% Disabled Commbat Veteran
      • kerrdog 3 mths ago
        Well said Lance, Fellow Medivac medic here.
      • lokelau 3 mths ago
        Thanks to all of you. I love you as if you were my family (which you are).
    • Brian  •  3 mths ago
      Spc Clark....thank you for your service. May you rest in peace.
    • Dave  •  Gainesville, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      I personally witnessed several dust offs in Vietnam and I gotta tell ya, the LZ's were hot as hell and the choppers came in anyway, no hesitation at all, just crazy as hell. Once, I saw a pilot stand that huey up on it's tail and put the rotors inches from the #$%$ trees. God bless them all, No Guts, No Air Medals! Unfortunately, I also saw them get the s#@t blown out of them and burn! I see it every time I close my eyes.
    • Ken  •  Charlotte, North Carolina  •  3 mths ago
      Rule brought to you by those who were never there never done that. After all it's
      not their butt on the line nor their lives. Door guns saved a lot of grunts in nam.
    • Harry Kneecaps  •  3 mths ago
      "Any group that fires on an unarmed medevac helicopter has removed themselves from the protections of the Geneva Convention."

      When have the Muslim terrorist ever followed the Geneva Convention? Doesnt it also require combatants to wear identifiable uniforms? Muslim terrorists dress as civilians and hide themselves in civilian populations. Thats why we havent wiped them out. Were fighting according to rules of engagement when our enemy has no rules to follow.

      Its sad to say but defeating these terrorists would require heavy collateral damage. I sometimes wonder though just how "innocent" the Muslim civilians are. In all those years no one in Pakistan knew Osama Bin Laden was hiding there? Maybe these civilians allow terrorists among them because they know they provide protection for them.
    • Vince  •  Frazier Park, California  •  3 mths ago
      There is a different type of pilot now than in the days of the Vietnam war...excuse me, Police Action. I had the opportunity to watch these fine men, balls bigger than the birds they were flying, pull myself and many others out under mind numbing fire power. Not all made it back, but he majority did. It was the exception, when a medevac pilot had cold feet. Chopper pilots are a rare breed...Medevac pilots, almost non existent. I have a feeling that these pilots were not allowed to perform their intended rescue mission. The blame should be leveled mostly at the echelon sitting out of harms way. If you don't have eyes on the battle, stay the hell out of it!
    • capnblack  •  Portland, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      i'm sure glad to hear from alot nam brothers
    • dittotdogg  •  Nuremberg, Germany  •  3 mths ago
      As a AH64 pilot who escorts these guys whenever we can (and have for 2 Iraq and 1 Afghan tour) I can vouch for my dustoff brothers. I have worked with many who landed to Hot LZ over and over again even when they were not cleared to. Every one of these guys have no problems risking their life to save the soldier on the ground. I really am disgusted over the vietnam vets that are #$%$ talking the current warfighters over a media story that was written to make our guys look bad. Soldiers on the ground have the best MEDEVAC services available, it is no secret that every other nation in theater wants US Dustoff because they come no matter what. No other countries pilots will go into a hot DZ even if they are armed.
    • Anonynonymous  •  3 mths ago
      The original reason for not arming medic (they're only allowed to be armed with a handgun for defending their patients.) was so the enemy soldiers can rest easy that the medics will have no way of harming them, thus they wouldn't need to fire at the medics. However this only works against established military adversaries whom agreed to the rules. In unconventional wars like we're fighting now, it's down right silly to expect the enemy to respect the rule of war.
    • 4 toi  •  Las Vegas, Nevada  •  3 mths ago
      Condolences to the family. #$%$ This is war. Where are the balls. Where is the concern. I know the US Coast Guard policy has changed and the quality of what they can do has also. This is all part of the weakening and dumbing of America. I am so sorry for this man and his family. Thank you for reporting this.
    • ron  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      Follow the example of the Marines. DO NOT put crosses on your birds. That puts limits on their usage.Arm them to the teeth, and then KILL ANYONE who fires at them.There will always be WIA's and KIA"s. Corpsmen,(the best in the world), limit this to the best of their ability.Marine pilots will do their part. Team win with minimum losses.SEMPER FI!!
    • Joe  •  Trenton, New Jersey  •  3 mths ago
      The general rule of not shooting at medivacs stopped in Vietnam. Time to arm the medics.
    • Jim McClary  •  3 mths ago
      If someone had refused to come in for our wounded, there would have been some serious butt whipping going on when we got back to base in Nam. It just wasn't done that way.
    • OICUR12  •  3 mths ago
      Any group that fires on an unarmed medevac helicopter has removed themselves from the protections of the Geneva Convention.
    • us2b  •  3 mths ago
      SC^EW the Ascrackistan Government get the stuff we need to protect our troops. There is not a single afghani that is worth one of our troops.
    • Joel  •  3 mths ago
      As a combat medic in Viet Nam, I have some knowledge about this. When so-called "civilized" nations fought wars, the red cross was always sacrosanct and combatants did not shoot at us since we carried no weapons. This all changed in the Viet Nam "war" and the SOB's aimed for the red cross, knowing if you kill a medic, you probably take out a few dozen to a few hundred more soldiers. Sadly, we now fight savages who murder women and children on purpose, as well as fight with other actual military folks. I beleive that medics need to be armed nowadays for that reason.
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