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    Sources: 10,000 US troops on offer for Iraq

    BAGHDAD (AP) — The White House is offering to keep up to 10,000 troops in Iraq next year, U.S. officials say, despite opposition from many Iraqis and key Democratic Party allies who demand that President Barack Obama bring home the American military as promised.

    Any extension of the military's presence, however, depends on a formal request from Baghdad — which must weigh questions about the readiness of Iraqi security forces against fears of renewed militant attacks and unrest if U.S. soldiers stay beyond the December pullout deadline.

    Iraq is not expected to decide until September at the earliest when the 46,000 U.S. forces left in the country had hoped to start heading home.

    Already, though, the White House has worked out options to keep between 8,500 and 10,000 active-duty troops to continue training Iraqi security forces during 2012, according to senior Obama administration and U.S. military officials in interviews with The Associated Press. The figures also were noted by foreign diplomats in Baghdad briefed on the issue.

    All spoke on condition of anonymity to frankly discuss the sensitive matter during interviews over the past two weeks.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney on Tuesday said the Pentagon is still planning for all U.S. troops to withdraw by year's end, noting that time is running out for Iraq's government to ask them to stay.

    "We have said for a long time now if the Iraqi government asks us to maintain some level of troops beyond that end of the year deadline, we would consider it," Carney told reporters in Washington.

    He appeared to back off that possibility, however, adding: "That doesn't necessarily mean we would do it. We would just consider it. And I really don't have any more information on that possible outcome because, again, we haven't even gotten a request."

    Any change in the U.S. military withdrawal timetable in Iraq — after more than eight years and more than 4,450 U.S. military deaths — could open up difficult political confrontations for Obama as pressure builds to close out the Iraq mission and stick to pledges to draw down troops in Afghanistan.

    The Senate's top Democrat, Sen. Harry Reid, told the AP that the high cost of keeping U.S. troops in Iraq — given a mounting U.S. debt crisis and Iraq's fledgling security gains — is no longer necessary.

    Reid, the Senate majority leader, estimated nearly $1 trillion has been spent in Iraq since the U.S. invaded in 2003, including $50 billion this year alone.

    "As Iraq becomes increasingly capable, it is time for our own troops to return home by the end of the year and for these precious resources to be directed elsewhere," Reid, Democrat of Nevada, said in the statement. "There is no question that the United States must continue to provide support for the Iraqis as they progress, but now is the time for our military mission to come to a close."

    Reid was responding to a request for comment after 15 U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq in June, mostly by Shiite militias, in the deadliest month for the American military here in two years. It was the first public statement by a top party leader to oppose Obama's policy in Iraq, and may signal splintering Democratic support over his war planning just as he ramps up his 2012 re-election campaign.

    Iraq has flown under Washington's political radar for much of the past year, and Democrats who want Obama to end the war this year as promised vowed to exert more pressure on the White House.

    "With a false declaration that combat operations are over in Iraq, what is now Operation New Dawn has ironically become a forgotten war," said Ashwin Madia, a former Marine who served in Iraq in 2005-06 and is now interim chairman of VoteVets.org. "That is about to change."

    The group has raised millions of dollars for Democratic Party candidates.

    Though violence has dramatically dropped from just a few years ago, when Iraq teetered on the brink of civil war, attacks still happen almost daily. On Tuesday, Iraqi police said at least 35 people were killed when two bombs exploded outside a city council headquarters just north of Baghdad.

    Running for president in 2008, Obama promised to withdraw all troops from Iraq — what he had described years earlier as "a dumb war, a rash war." Shortly after he took office, he pledged to stick to a Dec. 31, 2011, deadline negotiated between Washington and Baghdad for all U.S. forces to leave Iraq.

    Recently, however, the door gradually has been opening to push the deadline. In May, former Defense Secretary Robert Gates signaled Obama was willing to keep troops in Iraq beyond December. Last week, Navy Vice Adm. William McRaven, nominated to command U.S. special operations forces, said a small commando force should remain.

    Without a request from Iraq, fewer than 200 active duty troops would stay at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad as military advisers, a role that is common for American diplomatic missions worldwide. More than 166,000 U.S. troops were in Iraq in October 2007, the peak of the Pentagon's surge.

    In Baghdad, the debate over whether U.S. troops should stay past the deadline is topic No. 1 for Iraq's government.

    Iraq's top military commander, Gen. Babaker Shawkat Zebari, has long maintained that Iraqi security forces need another decade of training and aid before they are ready to protect the country alone, especially its air space and borders. Iraq sits on the fault line between Shiite powerhouse Iran and mostly Sunni nations across the rest of the Mideast, which share U.S. concerns about Tehran's influence growing in Baghdad if American troops leave.

    Iraqi Kurds, who have long relied on American forces to protect them, are lobbying for U.S. troops to stay.

    But Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki refuses to publicly endorse a troops' extension. One of his critical political allies — a Shiite movement headed by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr — has threatened widespread violence if troops stay. Al-Sadr's militias once waged fierce attacks on U.S. forces.

    Some of Iraq's Sunnis also oppose an extension. The Sunni Islamic Party in Iraq's northern Ninevah province, in a statement this week, called allowing the so-called "occupation forces" to remain "a great mistake against Iraq and its people."

    President Jalal Talabani plans a meeting as early as this week of Iraq's political leaders to discuss the troop issue — which al-Maliki says he does not want to make alone.

    "All political groups should be making this decision, because we do not want to shoulder the responsibility alone for such a grave and sovereign issue," said Shiite lawmaker Ali al-Shilah, a member of the State of Law coalition headed by al-Maliki. "The situation is still complicated because all the political blocs are avoiding giving a final and clear decision on this."

    One of the main sticking points is how to ensure that troops on duty all have legal immunity from Iraqi courts if they remain. Al-Shilah called it "very difficult, if not impossible due to the complicated political situation."

    The U.S. will not keep thousands of troops in Iraq without immunity. But it's far from certain parliament will approve it. Iraq is still seething from the 2007 shooting by guards from the security firm then called Blackwater Worldwide, which left 17 people dead but could not be prosecuted by Iraq courts because of an immunity deal at the time.

    Al-Maliki also would not want any remaining U.S. troops to look like combat forces, and potentially would strip them of huge armored trucks or have them live on Iraqi bases. The U.S. will not agree to that.

    In a July 1 letter, Army Chief of Staff Gen. Martin E. Dempsey told U.S. forces in and around Baghdad to expect to stay in Iraq "longer than they expected" until at least after Christmas, just days before the withdrawal deadline.

    There is no end-date stated in Dempsey's letter, which was posted on the website of the Hawaii-based 25th Infantry Division that is currently headquartered in Baghdad.

    "We're well aware that the request means many of you will be separated from your families for a second consecutive Christmas holiday," Dempsey wrote. "I can assure you we wouldn't have asked this of you if it wasn't vitally important for the accomplishment of our mission in Iraq."

    ___

    Associated Press writer Sameer N. Yacoub in Amman, Jordan, contributed to this report.

     

    166 comments

    • A Ashtar  •  10 mths ago
      Obama's offering, the Iraqi's aren't asking. What is wrong with this picture. Maybe Obama will have to pay Iraq to keep US troops there. For God's sake, bring them home Obama!
    • SSSSSS  •  10 mths ago
      “Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
      Hermann Goering quote
    • SSSSSS  •  10 mths ago
      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
      Joseph Goebbels quote
      • knowsavage 10 mths ago
        The Military Industrial Complex calls it "Perception Management".
      • Matt 10 mths ago
        And he was the master of propaganda.
      • Truth Hurts 10 mths ago
        I know right? Down with China and their LIES!
    • Sherley  •  10 mths ago
      Bring the troops home. every single one! cut the deficit! is any politician listening! NO!
    • fenchel  •  10 mths ago
      Bring all 326,000 troops we have scattered in 150 countries home now. If China can defend itself with only 1,986 troops stationed in foreign countries, why can't we?
      • nino 10 mths ago
        Because US still insist in being an empire, but forget that 21 century is no time for empires.
    • Unwash Your Brain  •  10 mths ago
      "it take a U.S soldier six weeks of basic training to be legally battle ready ? Then why is it taking Iraq 8 years"

      Because it is not simply combat... it goes brain-washing first... American "principles", meaning treason to your own country... then it goes chain of command issues because those guys QUIT if they do not like something... then it goes policing... then it goes technology, schooling, literacy... then it goes accountability in a country where own-will is king... then it goes JEW-SUCKING therapy in a country where they think in terms of "erasing the illegal country Israel off the map of the world", meaning go back to 1947... the reason for being there in the first place...

      Iraq will be FOR EVER occupied by USA-NAZI-ZIONISM...
      • Chris 10 mths ago
        Cannot compute....Yoiur stupidity is beyond comprehension.
      • They hate our freedum 10 mths ago
        "yoiur" stupidity is beyong comprehension ? Isn't that "your" . At leest me not soo stoopid that me can spelll ?
      • They hate our freedum 10 mths ago
        By the way i was just pointing out that it SURE is taking a long time to train them thar Iraqi soldiers . If you havent noticed we have already "mentioned" twice that we'll keep our soldiers and bases for as long as the Iraqi people want us to (although they have openly said through protest and threats of aggression that they do not want us occupying their homeland any longer . We're not there for there freedom we have other intentions : Such as Oil , keeping them trading oil in dollars , and a nice friendly reminder to Iran that they're next :)
    • Sherley  •  10 mths ago
      Name one single country that we have had troops on and then 'LEFT" THAT MEANS EVERY SINGLE TROOP HOME. NO BASES LEFT TO MAINTAIN. NONE!
      we have been in Korea since the 50's WHEN ARE WE LEAVING. NEVER!
      We're not leaving any part of the Middle East, If you think its keeping us safe as the politicians say it's a bold face lie.
      WHY! is it that none of this is part of cutting the deficit! We have troops ALL OVER THE GLOBE AND THEIR NOT COMING HOME.
      • Buck 10 mths ago
        Laos, Vietnam.
      • Matt 10 mths ago
        Try using your spell checker - you come off as a moron
      • Autumn Leaves 10 mths ago
        We ended WW II by sending 2 planes over Japan. In war there must be a winner and a loser or it will go on indefinitely and, in the long run, many more people (including our soldiers and civilians) will be killed. Make no mistake, we are at war.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      No, no, no, no, no. BRING OUR TROOPS BACK HOME! They have had nearly a decade to train these people. Our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is costing the U.S. millions and is fueling even more violence. Different ethnicities, the Sunnis and the Shiites, and political strife going on in both countries besides terrorists threats and that cannot be solved anytime soon.
      • T C 10 mths ago
        you mean BILLIONs every MONTH.
    • SSSSSS  •  10 mths ago
      The reason congress will go along with useless wars, is the are all easily bought off, and will vote against the best interest of all Americans, to protect those that fund them, and their constituents. Many parts of the US have no economy, but military bases, and military contractors. We would save 800 billion a year, by staying out of other countries business, but 100's of thousands of people, would need to find productive jobs, that are not paid for, with taxpayer money.
    • OPQ  •  10 mths ago
      I thought Republicans (President Bush etc.) were the ones being aggressive and violently procuring world resources by subjugating those countries where their interests lie. Now, seeing President Obama (The Democrats) doing exactly the same as President Bush by invading countries that have not declared war on you, MAKES ONE THINK. THE FOREIGN & DOMESTIC POLICIES AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ARE NOT CONTROLLED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS PEOPLE CHOSE BUT ARE SINISTER GAME PLANS OF SOME SECRET THIRD GROUP CONTROLLING INSIDE POLITICAL PROCESS AND LEGITIMATE/ILLEGITIMATE FOREIGN INTERESTS.
    • The Writer  •  10 mths ago
      america... what would the world do if there was no america?...
    • Papa  •  10 mths ago
      I said bring all our boys and girls home. I don't want to see another mother crying the lost of her child nor another kid crying the lost of his/her dad :( Breaks my heart. They don't want us there. Let them sort their life out, let them kill themselves, let them send each other to the stone age. We can alway say, oh well, we tried!!!
    • TheNuttyConfessor  •  10 mths ago
      What an absolutely "maggot brained" offer to extend... President Obama. Maybe, you too, are in fact just another Washington DC warmonger. If so, I'm disappointed. You look pretty stupid to me on this one Mr. President. I voted for a president that would END the war that our previous presidential liar and chief started in IRAQ. You remind me of your predecessor on this one. I voted for a president that was supposed to quickly end our engagement against the Taliban once we caught or killed OBL. That is done. What's the freakin' hold-up now....this time.....hummmm? I guess that you do condone US meddling, occupation, and interference in matters which are not......repeat NOT....in this nations best interest. The indiscriminated and sudden loss of life, the bottomless pit....an abyss of wasted tax dollars that US citizens are still crumbling under with no end in sight. And FOR WHAT?? WHAT IS THE pay-off....the so-called return on our investment??? All I know is this.

      I'm sick of being forced to dine on and digest the blue plate special SLOP that all of those pigs in DC have become so accustomed to feeding us.
    • Hudigaggler  •  10 mths ago
      Obama (with the help of the GOP) buckles under to BIG military $$$ machine...) Hey Prez: What about the soldiers in harms way? Oh yeah...they're not the upper class.
    • John  •  10 mths ago
      Why in the hell are we offering more cannon fodder???? The object is to get out and get out we must! They have been trained longer then what is needed but you cannot stop secular anjd tribal conflict and that's what we have here. Get out and do not look back!
    • urukiiraqi  •  10 mths ago
      Even if the US troops leave Iraq alone (and they should) but they will never go home anytime soon instead they will be stationed in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman and the UAE (who is paying for that war and who is picking up the bills for these troops??) to counter the mounting threats from Iran and they will be rotated to either Afghanistan, Pakistan or other central Asian countries of the former Soviet Union. Now if the US decides (insists) on staying any day longer than Sept. 2011 in Iraq then the American people should prepare for and expect more body bags will be received at the US AFB in Dover, Delaware and the number won’t be in 10s but in the 100s this time around…!!
    • STEVE WHITE  •  10 mths ago
      In my 60's I see this war's as another Vietnam, just a money making machine. The American people are so stupid.
    • bear  •  10 mths ago
      %#%% on Iraq. My son, in the Army sent many of his comrades home in body bag's for what? He and many, mostly all feel like cannon foder for the politician's in Washington. The Military is supposed to go in, destroy the enemies of this country and get it done not to set around and guard a bunch of screwed up people that want to kill kill kill there own people in the name of Alla. Then on top of that they tie there hand's with rules of engagement.
    • Oldman  •  10 mths ago
      We can stay there for a hundred years , leave and it will return to exactly what it was when we got there. It's a waste of our lives and our money for what? Bring them home now!!!!
    • James S  •  10 mths ago
      Let, him send members of his family over there!!!!!!
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