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    Southern Baptist leaders OK 'Great Commission'

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Some Southern Baptists worry that their denomination's name still carries the stigma of a 19th century split with northern Baptists over slavery. Others who fought hard to build the brand and its conservative theology and politics don't want to see it go.

    So the idea to add the description of "Great Commission Baptists" to the name of the Southern Baptist Convention might be a compromise that excites almost none of the 16 million who make up the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

    "It's not clear-cut. We can't fully criticize or fully celebrate," said Jonathan Merritt, a faith and culture writer and young minister at Cross Pointe Church near Atlanta. He wanted a new legal name.

    "I serve in a big, multiethnic church here in Atlanta, and as late as last Sunday there was an African-American couple that said when they found out we were a Southern Baptist church, they almost didn't join," he said.

    The "Great Commission" description endorsed by the SBC's executive committee on Tuesday would be strictly optional. It still must be voted on by delegates at the annual convention this summer. Southern Baptist churches are independent, and many of them don't have "Southern" in their names anyway.

    Supporters of the "Great Commission" name argue it would offer an official identity for churches trying to spread the Gospel to diverse groups of people outside the South and worldwide.

    Some conservative church members don't even want the option: Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., vowed to fight even an alternate name.

    "There are certain things you ought not to compromise on," he said.

    Others, like the Rev. Joseph Lyles, said the alternative name could help in reaching out to African-Americans in particular. He leads the Fort Foote Baptist Church in Fort Washington, Md., and is a former president of the SBC's African-American Fellowship.

    "Sometimes among some other African-American pastors, they find out you're a Southern Baptist and they look at you like, 'You're selling us out,'" he said.

    But he also worries that someone might join a church with the Great Commission Baptist name and then feel tricked when they found out it was a Southern Baptist Church.

    And Lyles said the name issue was secondary to another possible event in changing the image and appeal of the faith: African-American pastor Fred Luter Jr. of New Orleans was elected last year to SBC's No. 2 position, first vice-president. Most in that post have gone on to become president.

    If Luter is elected president, he would be the first black leader of a denomination that has been predominately white for much of its history, but is beginning to show more diversity.

    "If that happens, to me it would be more significant than a name change," Lyles said. "It would be a historic moment."

    The notion of changing the Southern Baptist name is not new: It was first proposed in 1903 and has been unsuccessfully brought up more than a dozen times since. The fact that membership and baptisms are declining gives it new urgency.

    That's why Boston University Sociology of Religion Professor Nancy Ammerman thinks the new name is an odd choice. The "Great Commission" refers to Matthew 28:16-20, in which Jesus instructs his disciples at Galilee to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

    Ammerman said the biblical reference was too unfamiliar to help bring in new members.

    "Only someone who is already an insider is going to know what that refers to," she said. ".... It strikes me as exactly opposite of the way I thought they would go."

    The optional name probably has a better chance of succeeding at the convention, where past proposals for a legal name change have failed.

    Supporters will still have to win over people like Wilford Dorroh, a 78-year-old retired power plant worker in western Kentucky who has attended a Southern Baptist church in Central City since 1962.

    Dorroh calls himself a "real strong conservative" and said he heard the news of the new name on Tuesday.

    "I'm against it because it's a tradition that I think we need to keep," he said. "There's people who don't like us because of the name. Well, if they didn't like us because of the name, they wouldn't like us because of something else. So I'm not in favor of trying to satisfy everybody who don't like us. I'm in favor of keeping what we got."

    Darrel Orman, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Stuart, Fla., is on the executive committee and at first opposed any name change. He ended up voting for it Tuesday, saying he was relieved by the compromise. He said the spectrum of opinions on the current name ranges from "those who believe the name was inspired like Scripture" to those who want to "bulldoze the whole thing."

    The name task force considered a few hundred suggestions, but narrowed it down to three. The other two in final contention were "Continental Baptist" and "Evangelical Baptist."

    Malcolm Yarnell, a professor at Southwestern Baptist Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, and director of its Center for Theological Research, sees some benefit for ministries on the leading edge of winning souls.

    " ... for those that are church planters, especially if they're in frontier states, non-Southern states, they will see it as a great benefit because they can refer to themselves without having to refer to the cultural baggage," he said. "Because you know to be a Southerner in the North carries baggage, and we all know that."

    It remains to be seen if and how the alternative will be used. The names could be used together, like "Southern Baptist Convention — Great Commission Baptists," or either could be used by itself.

    Albert Mohler, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, got the ball rolling in a tweet on Monday night after the proposal was presented.

    "Let the word go forth: THE Southern Baptist Theological Seminary proudly is a Great Commission Baptists institution."

    ___

    Associated Press Writer Dylan Lovan in Louisville, Ky., contributed to this report.

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    Online:

    Southern Baptist Convention: http://www.sbc.net/

     

    28 comments

    • Allen  •  3 mths ago
      We already have a "Great Commission"......called God and his son Jesus. You would think that a religious group would know this.
      • Matt 3 mths ago
        A "great commission" is not really an appropriate explanation of Trinitarianism.
    • Shelley  •  3 mths ago
      Unless they're still in favor of slavery, why don't they just call it the Baptist Church?
    • Loren  •  3 mths ago
      I like to see what the price is fto change all those signs
    • a  •  Albany, Georgia  •  3 mths ago
      So blacks have a problem with the slavery connections of"Southern'.The same blacks will vote Democrat despite the fact that the Democratic Party was for slavery, that the Democratic Party introduced the segregation laws after reconstruction and opposed the civil rights movement.Quite frankly if blacks are offended by the 'Southern' and do not see everything else in the Southern Baptists they are both mental and spiritual midgets and deserve to be brainwashed by the likes of Jeremiah Wright.
    • Kathy T  •  3 mths ago
      Sounds like something a used car salesman would come up with.
    • will  •  3 mths ago
      Jesus looking through the list of churches demoninations : " I swear I only created one, for Christ's sake"
      • T-rad 3 mths ago
        Christ also stated that we are not to swear, by heaven, by earth or any other thing. I don't think I would want to place words that were not spoken by Christ,in jest or any other venue, as though Christ would make such a statement, which is contradictory in terms.
      • smarterthanyou 3 mths ago
        trad, you need to get out more.
      • RONNIE 3 mths ago
        Actually, there is only one true church. There are however thousands of different cultures and personal preferences and that's why we have different denominations. God clearly loves diversity or else we would all look, act, and think the same. He also gave us free will which allows us the choice to worship Him in a way that we choose.
    • zzzzlordcharmyzzzz  •  Sunnyvale, California  •  3 mths ago
      I came here looking for an article; I found one written in white on a white background. Anyone else's got the same problem?
    • RONNIE  •  3 mths ago
      I've seen many comments on this and other articles implying that Southern Baptist Churches are full of hypocrites, bigots, racists, and worse. To which I say, you are absolutely correct. Come join us and you'll fit right in. You'll also find more loving, gracious, joy-filled, helpful, benevolent people than you've ever been around in your life. Just as hospitals are for the sick, the church is for sinners.
      • Greywolf Xrb 3 mths ago
        Judging by the antics of churches over the past few years, isn't it more correct to say that churches are for paedophiles ?And given by the Christian church's support for paedophilia over the past centuries, it's #$%$ clear that you don't see paedophilia as a sin
    • Herb  •  New York, New York  •  3 mths ago
      I thought "Great Commission" was taking more money out of the tithes for themselves.
    • George  •  Brisbane, Australia  •  3 mths ago
      The great commission according to Jesus:
      All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
      What has that got to do with northern or southern, eastern or western baptists??? I just don't get it.
      • Unsilent Majority 3 mths ago
        That's the point. They are trying to be more than just representative of some certain region of the US.
      • Anonymous 3 mths ago
        They don't get it either.
    • 1  •  3 mths ago
      Holy crap! These people, and I speak from experience, are the LEADING hypocrytes in the entire GOD fearing world! Who cares what they do?????? Not me.
      • Sean 2 mths ago
        You cared enough to read the article....actually, you probably didn't. You just saw the headline and wanted to take time to make your comment.
    • Mark  •  Port Huron, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      1. Didn't officially denounce slavery until 1995 and "interpreted" the Bible as being pro-slavery in the 19th century.
      2. Only men can be pastors, implying that females are not fit to lead. "In 1998, the SBC appended a quasi-male leadership understanding of marriage to the 1963 version of the Baptist Faith and Message, with an official amendment: Article XVIII, "The Family". In 2000, it revised the document to reflect support for a male-only pastorate."- Wikipedia
      3. Southern Baptists do not believe everyone has the right to choose who they love regardless of sexual orientation.
      Their problems go WAY deeper than just a name...
    • Rick M  •  Mt Pleasant, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      Republican Party Recruiting Station would work.
    • Lynn  •  3 mths ago
      There is no name other than JESUS CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED! The Cross ! The blood of Jesus! Names means nothing just preach the Word. The Bible that's what it's there for. Not disputing what you should be called. People need Jesus and thinking about a name to call yourself ???? We are nothing! Jesus Is the one we lift up not ourselves! People don't want us They need Jesus!!
    • jamesh  •  Gate City, Virginia  •  3 mths ago
      Getting Saved is vital, Staying Saved is vital.....
    • *  •  3 mths ago
      OH NO! The Baptists are now trying to be politically correct to appease the African-Americans and the Northerners??? Cracker Baptist or Redneck Baptist is the only thing that they would agree with. This is just too sickening for me to grasp and I will remain Southern Baptist despite the name change, because I live in the South and I am Baptist therefore Southern Baptist. Whoever came up with this Commission name is pathetic indeed. So, so sad.
    • Jim  •  3 mths ago
      They should have called it "The Religion of Hate Second Only to Islam."
    • Anonymous  •  3 mths ago
      Changing the name won't make it smell any better.
    • PattiBMW  •  East Weymouth, Massachusetts  •  3 mths ago
      Ah, the wonders of medieval superstition. If the Massachusetts branch contacts me, I can get them a really good deal on two bridges leading to Cape Cod. If they believe one fish story, they'll believe another.
    • Tom in Lazybrook  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      I think Westboro Baptists would be a better discription
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