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    States ponder: What happens when the money stops?

    LOS ANGELES (AP) โ€” As gridlocked Washington edges toward default, states staggering out of the last recession are preparing for the worst: The federal piggy-bank that helps them pay for health care, jobless benefits, road building and schools could run out of cash.

    Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback is warning that his state might not be able to fully cover potential shortfalls, and jittery California cushioned its finances last week by borrowing $5.4 billion from private investors. Massachusetts is preparing to replace $850 million in U.S. payments that could be derailed in August, while Oregon plans to free up a cache of money if Washington stops sending checks.

    Freighted with uncertainty, states can't look to lessons from the past: There aren't any. The U.S. government, which has a gilded credit rating, has never defaulted. And no one seems to know what funding could be cut, by how much or for how long. That would be determined in Washington if Congress fails to raise the government's borrowing limit by Tuesday.

    "You're chasing a ghost," says Nevada Department of Health and Human Services Director Mike Willden. "What's the deal? What is the cut? What can I expect?"

    A congressional compromise remained elusive, with anxiety over a possible default increasing with the passing days.

    At issue is the debt ceiling, a legal limit on how much debt the government can accumulate. If Congress fails to raise the borrowing limit by Tuesday, the U.S. might not be able to pay all its financial obligations. A default could send financial markets and the economy into a tailspin, spreading angst from Wall Street to Main Street.

    If the U.S. loses its top-notch credit rating, it could drag down ratings for some states, too, driving up borrowing costs. The most vulnerable are Maryland, Virginia, South Carolina, Tennessee and New Mexico because of their reliance on federal money, according to one rating agency. A group of California legislators warned Congress that failure to raise the debt limit could threaten a fragile economic recovery โ€” California remains in the grip of double-digit unemployment.

    In statehouses around the country, preparations were under way as states judged what would happen if federal dollars slowed or stopped. Some were rushing to claim any federal aid that might be in the pipeline before Tuesday's deadline.

    Many states appeared to have enough cash on hand to fill short-term gaps from Washington. For example, Vermont Finance and Management Commissioner Jim Reardon said the state Medicaid program is expected to receive a payment of more than $53 million from the federal government Monday, a day before the federal government might stop paying some bills.

    Rhode Island and New Hampshire have enough money on hand to cover expenses through August, giving Congress extra time to resolve the stalemate before programs might take a hit.

    But Florida's courts system would be unable to make payroll if a crisis lasts beyond Aug. 22. In North Carolina, state Budget Director Andy Willis said the state could cover Medicaid reimbursements for a few days but floating the payments for a longer period might be a different matter because of a tight budget.

    Ohio has an 8.8 percent jobless rate and "if the country stops paying its bills now, those numbers will only get worse," a bipartisan group of Ohio mayors said in a letter to the White House, calling for a settlement.

    All states rely on federal aid, but the impact will vary state to state. New Jersey, for example, counts on a smaller percent of federal money for state spending than other states, chiefly because it has more wealthy residents. Kansas gets about half its money from Washington. California, the nation's most populous state, gets nearly $80 billion annually, much of it for health care for the poor.

    If the debt ceiling is not lifted by the deadline, the Treasury Department, which issues tens of millions of payments each month for everything from food stamps to Social Security, would have to decide what bills it could pay, in what order. The amount of cash would be limited, since the government borrows about 40 cents of every dollar it spends.

    With the fall school term approaching, the University of California is trying to figure out what a U.S. default would mean for more than $3.5 billion in federal research dollars and student aid it's slated to get this year โ€” 720,000 students receive Pell Grants at UC, one of the nation's largest public universities.

    In Alabama, the state is moving some of its investment funds into cash to guard against fluctuations in the financial markets. Massachusetts is looking at whether it could provide interim financing to keep some or all of the programs funded, should federal checks slow or stop. The state receives about $200 million a week in federal funds, and 1.25 million people rely on federally subsidized Medicaid.

    "If we were to say we can't make those payments any more ... it's hard to imagine what would happen," said Administration and Finance Secretary Jay Gonzalez. "There would be potentially some dire consequences."

    Some government officials worry about longer-term damage.

    In Los Angeles, the nation's second-largest city, pension funds rely on income from the stock market, and if it plunges taxpayers are on the hook to make up shortfalls that, in a worst-case scenario, could reach hundreds of millions of dollars.

    If the region's double-digit unemployment rate goes up, that inevitably digs into the city's share of sales, hotel and other taxes needed to run local government. And if the nation's credit rating goes down, uncertainty could rattle the bond market, making investors less likely to jump in while driving up interest rates that make borrowing more costly for governments around the U.S.

    "Should there be a crisis generated by the debt ceiling not being lifted, that would bring us to a very critical state," said City Administrative Officer Miguel Santana.

    "We have little room left to manage it. Now we are at the bone in terms of the core services we provide," Santana said. "We are sort of victims to the outcome of the gridlock."

    At the Hollywood Senior Center in Portland, Ore., optimism was holding up among the low-income seniors who rely on Medicaid and other social-assistance programs to survive. But executive director Amber Kern-Johnson said the idea of federal dollars drying up seemed unfathomable to the center's clients.

    "Many of them just don't believe something like that could happen," Kern-Johnson said.

    ___

    Associated Press writers Sandra Chereb in Carson City, Nev., Beth DeFalco in Trenton, N.J., Nigel Duara in Portland, Ore., Susan Haigh in Hartford, Conn., John Hanna in Wichita, Kan., Dave Gram in Montpelier, Vt., Susan Haigh in Hartford, Conn., Johanna Kaiser in Boston, Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala., and Gary D. Robertson in Raleigh, N.C.

     

    1,017 comments

    • rridge  •  10 mths ago
      I have never seen so much passion in the internet. The pent-up steam is rattling the kettle.
      If the water dries up, will the kettle explode?
      • scooter 10 mths ago
        You are right....because there are alot of us that FEAR that it is ALMOST TO LATE (IF NOT TO LATE) to recover.....
      • Headbanger! 10 mths ago
        This entire rotten mess is coming to a head and it will explode in 2012...
        You will see an economy in shamble much worse then it is now....
        You will see large cities in bankruptcy and having their hand out for a bailout
        that will not come...
        You will see higher food, gas and other expenses go way beyond inflation and this will lead to riots and run on banks and stores....

        I suggest to every one of you to remember the liberals in your world and when it callapses find them, and turn them into that nights meal!
      • Paleo 10 mths ago
        It depends on whether or not those pots keep calling us kettles nasty names, doesn't it?
    • For God and Country  •  10 mths ago
      The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.
      - Patrick Henry -


      I have totally cleaned this e-mail from all other names, sending it to you in hopes you will keep it going and keep it clean. This is something I will fight for and I hope you all read it all the way through. You will be glad you did.

      The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971...before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc.

      Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land...all because of public pressure.


      Congressional Reform Act of 2011

      1. No Tenure / No Pension.
      A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

      2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
      All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

      3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

      4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

      5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

      6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

      7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
      The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

      THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA
      • jim c 10 mths ago
        It's just a Go& D&mn piece of Paper.
        -Dick Cheney-
      • CarolF 10 mths ago
        For God and Country, I tried to give you a thumbs up, but it wouldn't let me.
      • Nonuna 10 mths ago
        It's a lovely idea, but with the way the system works, Congress would have to vote on and approve it. Do you think they are going to vote to reduce their benefits?
    • Rockie  •  10 mths ago
      Government is dominating our lives and we are "Sleep Walking" raising hell about Gay Marriage, Abortion, getting into other people business without realizing that these "STANDS" our Representatives are Smoke Screens for what they really have in store for us, and that my friends is to Screw Us.
      • Rockie 10 mths ago
        Government is dominating our lives and we are "Sleep Walking" raising hell about Gay Marriage, Abortion, getting into other people business without realizing that these "STANDS" our Representatives are Smoke Screens for what they really have in store for us, and that my friends is to put the screws to Us.
      • Gaspar 10 mths ago
        Speak for yourself. Some of us, the intelligent ones, aren't raising hell about gay marriage or abortion, nor are we worried about other people's business when it doesn't affect anyone else.
    • BIG AL  •  10 mths ago
      REMEMBER, ALL OF THIS WHEN THESE IDIOTS RUN FOR ELECTION.
      • Summer 10 mths ago
        Most voters will forget, listen to all the lies on tv ads and not go back and look at how these voted while in office. Look at the their records not their lies.....
      • Dimy 10 mths ago
        yes I will REMEMBER next time I vote
      • AndrewM 10 mths ago
        Absolutely & we can stop sending inexperienced morons there too.
    • Camo Chick  •  10 mths ago
      The hell of it is, they're going to drag the country right to the edge with this #$%$ then at the last minute there'll be this big breathless compromise so all these parasite politicians can slap themselves on the back and pretend to be heroes, while the real people of this country have to swallow the bitter pill that Your Government Does Not Care About You In The Slightest, You Are Nothing But a Disposable Resource To Them. And this didn't start with Obama or Bush. This crap has been going on for decades. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, and what are we supposed to do? Does Washington have any answers? Crap no. Is there any wonder the people of this country are frustrated out of their minds? Double crap no.
      • CarolF 10 mths ago
        That is one of the most intelligent statements I have read. On another website I tried to say it went back further than Bush, but all I got were replies saying "no,no,no, it is all Bush's fault"
      • grouch 10 mths ago
        Best response! hell yea double crap yes
      • Count Demoney 10 mths ago
        it's obvious they'll have to raise the limit, unfortunately they chose the path which will lead to downgrade of the rating which they could have avoided by acting in timely fashion, basically do their jobs! too bad that these "patriots" put their political agendas ahead of the country and people interests!
    • scooter  •  10 mths ago
      Time to bring our troops HOME. Keep our FOREIGN AID HERE and RESCUE ourselves BEFORE we try to rescue the WORLD.
    • I_Slam_Islam  •  10 mths ago
      You know what? Both parties are to blame, and all Americans get scre w ed.
    • Zooty  •  10 mths ago
      The entire world seems to be in debt: but to who?
    • JeanetteE  •  10 mths ago
      Since I am TOTALLY funded by the Federal Government with monthly DIC (Dependent's Compensation from the Veteran's Administration) and my medical insurance is CHAMPVA (also from the VA), I would lose everything I currently have, including, probably my own life, in the long run, because I get all of my medications from the VA, as well. Multiply that by thousands of other Veteran beneficiaries as well as Social Security and Medicare recipients (which I will be a part of in May, 2012)....we're all up a rushing, flooding creek....I hate it when I am not the one who is in control....and, most of us aren't..Yes, we can and do vote them in or out, but they still have us all behind the 8-ball ,just waiting to hit us with all they have or don't have...I have no solution...and don't know if there IS one...we will have to wait and see.
    • Angelo  •  10 mths ago
      HOW MUCH WOULD WE SAVE IF WE CUT "FOREIGN AID" BY 50% ? ? ?
    • welder  •  10 mths ago
      Maybe Congress and the states should consider cutting welfare payments and medical care for illegal immigrants. Those costs alone are close to 900 BILLION dollars a year nationwide with California providing the most of any state. Use E-verify to get rid of them. Perhaps then citizens won`t have to take the haircut for citizens of other countries. Get rid of all foreign aid too. People in other countries aren`t the responsibility of American citizens and taxpayers. Close to 2 TRILLION dollars in savings already by cutting just those two things. Most of the problem is solved.
    • Obama Moron  •  10 mths ago
      It is only going to get worse. Never allow yourself to become dependent on government, you will only be disappointed.
    • I Care  •  10 mths ago
      Hey Calf. How you going to pay for the dream act now!
    • terryt  •  10 mths ago
      Well you always wondered how the poor survive ,,now you are going to find out first hand.
    • Whas-up  •  10 mths ago
      Real sorry about the states losing their golden goose. Do just exactlly what the rest of us do. Tighten your belts and stop spending other folks money that you don't have. Runaway spending has finally caught up with this country. Bet they all wish the 800 billion bailout was still in the coffer
    • gregory j  •  10 mths ago
      First cut off all aid to illegal immigrants, they are not citizens of this country and do not deserve the aid.
    • OLD NAVY  •  10 mths ago
      cut off welfare and food stamps to people that have NEVER worked, and I know there are many out there, just look around. If you never worked you do not eat.
    • *  •  10 mths ago
      Why stop Social Security payments? Wouldn't it make more sense to stop Foreign Aid and Welfare?
    • lionelman17  •  10 mths ago
      Here is a start:
      1. Send the illegals back to their beloved home countries.
      2. Stop using OUR $ to support the world.
    • Oak Ridge Dave  •  10 mths ago
      Stop the practice of paying taxes to the federal government so politicians in DC decide how much to "give back" to the states (and to which states). Let the states collect what they need from their own people and reduce federal taxes accordingly.
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