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    Are Students Hurt by Low-Paid Teachers?

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    COMMENTARY | Teacher salaries have recently been a major source of contention for both public employees and the public at large. Though not a groundbreaking revelation, the New York Times explains this week how a recent U.S. Department of Education study revealed teachers in poorer schools are paid lower salaries.

    Education Nation explains the department's findings that many school systems unfairly distribute money within their districts, favoring higher-income schools and providing less money for teacher salaries in low-income schools. These poorer students are then subjected to underpaid, novice teachers who move onto higher-paying positions once they gain experience. This leaves low-income schools with perpetually "new, " or, as they would have us believe, "bad" teachers.

    Admittedly, the unequal distribution of funds is a major problem, but this beckons: Are students hurt by low-paid teachers? As a teacher, I strongly believe the answer is no.

    There is a widespread myth that high salaries bring in good teachers. Tales describe "genius college students" warned not to go into education because the pay is low; thus, schools never have smart teachers. But if the salary was higher, scientists would be lining up to teach.

    Truthfully, being smart does not equal being a good teacher. With standardized tests, classroom management, special needs instruction, constant documentation, required development, apathetic students, government regulations, budget cuts and greater responsibilities, a teacher must be many things other than knowledgeable in their subject.

    Personally, I graduated from my university Magna Cum Laude and with honors -- and I still went into education. After graduating, I landed my first teaching job at a school where my salary was $17,000. Veteran teachers who had been at this school for 20 years were making less than $25,000.

    But were students hurt by these low-paid teachers? Not at all. I worked alongside the best and brightest teachers I'd known, committed teachers who considered this job their mission, and who really cared about their students. These teachers stayed before and after school to tutor students or give lessons, attended every after-school event and did dozens of other unpaid tasks that public school teachers would scoff at. Students thrived under these low-paid teachers, with our school achieving a 100 percent pass rate on the state-mandated standardized tests in recent years.

    So it's hard for me to accept the idea that low-paid teachers hurt students.

    The Times article retells the old education myth that new, novice teachers are substandard. Yes, new, fresh-out-of-college teachers may be green, but they are also skilled in new technologies, full of ideas, and bring new energy to the classroom.

    Vice versa, just because a veteran teacher has worked for 30 years, doesn't guarantee they are an efficient teacher. Working in a school, one can pinpoint the teachers that are counting the days until retirement, the ones that don't care anymore.

    Ultimately, I think there are a lot of problems in our educational system, including funding reform. But the idea that students are hurt by low-paid teachers just isn't one of them.

     

    24 comments

    • Delicia  •  Westfield, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Great points...
    • Melissa M.  •  Irvine, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Most teachers aren't doing it for the money.
      • Plato232425 5 mths ago
        Teachers do not respond to the incentive of pay?

        Are you high?
      • Haruka 5 mths ago
        I don't think that's what she meant. While teachers don't go into the public school system with $ signs in their eyes, being able to live on what you're paid without the need for a second job would be nice.
      • kidsandcatsrme 5 mths ago
        Yes, teaching is a job and teachers do require an income. Teachers have a mortgage or rent, carpayments, electric bills, need to eat, etc., just like everyone else. Teaching is a job, however, teachers need to love teaching too - otherwise, they would never be able to put in the long hours with low pay required to do the job.
    • CURTIS  •  Spokane, United States  •  5 mths ago
      "Truthfully, being smart does not equal being a good teacher. With standardized tests, classroom management, special needs instruction, constant documentation, required development, apathetic students, government regulations, budget cuts and greater responsibilities, a teacher must be many things other than knowledgeable in their subject."

      ---I tried to teach and I really wish someone in my teacher education program had sat me down and told me that I just wasn't cut out to run a classroom. I was told later that some of my professors had "misgivings" about my abilities, but still they passed me through the system. I am obviously not dumb, I had really good grades and that's in in a very technically demanding major and minors. The deal is that just couldn't run a classroom. The ill motivated and undisciplined students from a very poor district didn't make my life easier, and didn't make my failure any less bitter.
      ---A person that is a good classroom manager (as opposed to a teacher) can be very effective teaching almost any subject if they are given a pre-written program and if they have a strong scholastic background. You can't teach a person how to run a classroom if they lack a controlling personality and strong social skills. Subject matter and specialized skills don't count for nearly as much as the ability to stare down and/or manipulate thirty six teenagers at a time. A teacher is strictly on his own in his classroom, and up to the point where you have to hit the panic button and summon security, no one is going to help you out.
    • Person  •  Stone Mountain, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I hate that the teachers in poor districts aren't paid properly, but that's not anyone's fault but that district. If the community doesn't pay enough taxes to cover salaries, it's the community's fault. Don't work there. Tired of my taxes going to the deadbeat communities, especially since no matter how much federal funding goes there, they'll still have 10th graders at a 3rd grade reading level anyway. If you want good teachers, pay good salaries, and if you are a teacher & want a good salary, go somewhere they can afford you.
    • Phyllis  •  Mesa, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I'm glad you are supporting new teachers. However, you make it seem like experience doesn't really make much of a difference. It does make a tremendous difference. New teachers are enthusiastic and do get students involved, but these teachers are typically learning the curriculum, so they tend to teach mostly that. Experienced, dedicated teachers draw on their experience to modify what they are teaching to meet the need of diverse students, making sure that students at different levels are challenged with tasks that they can do - from students who are several years behind to those who are several years advanced compared to their grades. Experienced teachers can draw out shy students and give outlets for the energy of the wiggly ones. Average students probably do just as well with new teachers. It is the students at the edges, the advanced ones, the ones far behind, the really quiet or really loud ones - that need a teacher with experience. Experience does count, and I believe all schools should have a mix of teachers. That way, those with classroom experience can teach those that are new, and those that are new might know more recent techniques that they can share with established teachers. Everyone wins that way. I believe money should be distributed evenly so that all schools may have a mix of new and experienced teachers.
    • Centrist  •  5 mths ago
      The answer to it all is simple: put kids to be your TOP priority and things become clearer. An example: you've go an open heart operation scheduled .... for YOU!
      So you are going to go shopping for the lowest paid surgeons you can find?
      Do you think they, on average, can do as well as the best paid ones? Note, the best paid teachers usually teach in schools that have better/more support staff too...... just as the best paid surgeons do.
    • Julianna  •  5 mths ago
      The more students in the classroom, the more classroom management and other soft skills trump subject matter knowledge. Excellence in subject matter and excellence in connecting with different kinds of students are often lost when teachers' most pressing daily task needs to be crowd control.
    • HypocrisyAtWork  •  St. Louis, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Now here is a contrary post to my previous.

      As good as they did in school ask how much money my oldest son got?
      - Eagle scout at 15
      - Tested will on ACT
      - GPA (top 10% at a very competitive school)
      - Lost of volunteer work even building habitat homes in new orleans.

      Nailed everything that was required from the colleges.

      $2K a year scholarship
      $5K per year loan from the government.

      He has to foot everything else and due to his work ethic he is.

      Thats thats the real tradgedy that kids with such potential can't find money got to college. Other kids with much less potential get a nearly free ride or free ride. You waonder why America is falling academically...its because we do not reward academic excellence we reward special cases and pac groups and even folks who are not even citizens.

      You want to put money somewhere...put it where America's brightest can use it to take America to the next stage.
    • HypocrisyAtWork  •  St. Louis, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Spot on. Spot on.

      Everyone puts such emphasis on the school. What I know to be true is that education happens at home. Sure, you need a teacher that speaks english and can present the material but after that its what happens at home that counts. Parents do not have to be teachers at home to material they do not understand. They just need to make studying a priority to the kids.

      With my kids:
      - If they had trouble and I was not help they arranged to meet with teachers before or after school and we took them.
      - We limited video games and used them as both reward and punishment.
      - We enforced early bed times to make sure they were rested for school.
      - We explained the importance of the education to their future in terms they undestood.

      They both went to parochial school all 12 years. Teacher pay and benefits were not high and they did not always have computers and smart boards...

      At the highschool level both kids tested into honors program classes. The first child graduated in the top 10% where the difference in GPA was measured in decimal points. The second tested into the highest honors track with half the tuition knocked off.

      To be clear...after the 7th grade year my wife and I could not keep up with the material to help them. They did this themseleves...we just expected that they would and sacrificed time to get them to the help when needed...
    • kidsandcatsrme  •  Tacoma, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Personally, I just feel teachers should be paid for the hours they actually work and if schools can't afford to pay teachers more for all the work they actually do, then schools should stop all the extra demands on teachers. I love the six hours I'm teaching when I'm actually working with students, but all the meetings, committees, trainings, e-mails, extra duties, assignments, requests, etc., are totally draining.
    • DavidW  •  Beaumont, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Well said. Lower pay does not necessarily equate to lower quality in education.
    • JRobert  •  5 mths ago
      I don't know. just look at how well overpaying politicians has worked out for us.
    • Jocelyn  •  5 mths ago
      i think it does. when i was little, one of my teachers worked another part time job. the next day after she worked the previous night, she was very mean and crabby, and her face would look so tired.
    • A Ashtar  •  Kansas City, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Well this was a "scholarly study." NOT!
    • kidsandcatsrme  •  Tacoma, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Your article suggests to me that you were teaching in a private school when paid such low wages and equate the low teacher wages with high scoring students, indicating that your low wages did not affect the quality of education the students received. However, students in private school tend to live in homes with a higher income bracket and these students tend to be better prepared for school to begin with and continue to receive support with homework, books, etc., from their parents. So, comparing your private school experience to the experience of students in a low income public school experience is like comparing apples to oranges - they are worlds apart.
    • Plato232425  •  Stockton, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Here we go again:

      Teachers are supermen, perfect, celibate priests or nuns.

      But the public is allowed to treat them in the most disrespectful manner.

      Teachers should not be in it for the pay.

      Teachers should do it for the love of children and the job.

      Yeah, right. How many of you would take a nice, fat, cut in pay, and do it with heart and skill.

      Most of you would rather be UNEMPLOYED FOR YEARS than work below the wage rate you THINK YOU DESERVE.

      Teachers, like the rest of those who think they know best for teachers, ARE rational, and do RESPOND TO THE INCENTIVES OF LABOR MARKETS.

      Just like the rest of you.

      Teachers, just like you, ARE NOT REQUIRED TO LIKE YOUR CHILDREN. In fact, some of you HATE YOUR OWN KIDS.

      Just like a doctor does not have to like his patients, or the lawyer love his clients, or the accountant embrace his clients, teachers need only perform their duties to the best of their ability.

      Leave out the moral perspective.

      In fact, APPLY IT TO YOURSELF FIRST.
      • Lola 5 mths ago
        THANK YOU. What teachers want are to be able to not have to work two or three extra jobs just to keep on their feet. Teaching is a much more demanding job than people think it is, and offering better pay will attract more people who have the skills and knowledge and desire to be teachers. Am I in it for the pay? No. But you know what so many people tell me? "Why are you being a teacher? You'll never make enough money to stay on your feet" and "You're wasting your time" as well as "You're wasting your brains."

        I don't feel the need to have a ton of money, or anywhere near rich. I'd just like to be paid well enough to live a comfortable life for my career. I have a BA, and will work on getting my masters; it would be nice to get the average pay of someone with a BA or a masters. As it is, I'll be far below it.

        Also, teachers who receive a decent wage are much more likely to like their job and feel appreicated and needed. I have known teachers who were aweful because they were very unhappy witht their situation because they are underpaid and underappreciated.
    • David  •  Pleasanton, United States  •  5 mths ago
      It seems unlikely to me that there is a direct (provable) correlation between teacher salary and teacher competency. Skills + Heart = A good teacher. Paying them well shows that they are valued but does nothing to directly deepen either their hearts or skills.
      • Plato232425 5 mths ago
        Let's apply the SAME logic to your pay?

        In fact, let's cut it in half.

        All we ask is for your skill and heart.

        Pay is NOT important.

        Agreed?
    • TRUTH  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      a lot of teachers are overpaid baby sitters
      • chris 5 mths ago
        You have not been to school in awhile have you.
      • Lola 5 mths ago
        How much would you pay your babysitter? $2 an hour per kid? I got paid more than that when I did weekend gigs as a teen, but let's go with that. Ok. Let's say I get paid $2 an hour per kid. On average, the classroom has 30 students. That's $60 per class. I have 7 classes a day (Not getting paid for my prep period). That would be $420 a day. I am not getting paid for my lunch hour, my prep period, or any time spend in the classroom before or after school helping students, or for any time I spend "out of the classroom" grading, creating lesson plans, etc. We have 180 school days a year-- I am not getting paid for any of those "paid holidays" that many people get (Christimas, Labor day, Memorial day, MLK day, etc) I am getting paid just for the days I work. So, 180 days at $420 a day is $75,600 a year.

        The school I applied to work at next year is offering me $25,000. I'm barely even a "paid babysitter" let alone an "overpaid babysitter."

        I wish people would actually respect teachers and their jobs. It is a demanding and stressful job. We do NOT get paid tons of money. WHY do people think we get paid tons of money?
    • FORBIDDENtruthdotcom  •  5 mths ago
      get rid of administrators. get rid of government.
      • Haruka 5 mths ago
        Agreed. Dumo the administrators.
    • Laura Cone  •  5 mths ago
      super
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