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    Study: Cain tax plan raises taxes on 84 percent

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of U.S. households, according to an independent analysis released Tuesday, contradicting claims by the Republican presidential candidate that most Americans would see a tax cut.

    The Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank, says low- and middle-income families would be hit hardest, with households making between $10,000 and $20,000 seeing their taxes increase by nearly 950 percent.

    "You're talking a $2,700 tax increase for people with incomes between $10,000 and $20,000," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "That's huge."

    Households with the highest incomes, however, would get big tax cuts. Those making more than $1 million a year would see their taxes cut nearly in half, on average, according to the analysis.

    Among those in the middle, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 would see their taxes increase by an average of $4,400, the report said. Those making between $50,000 and $75,000 would see their annual tax bill go up by an average of $4,326.

    "It's very, very regressive compared to the current system, and that's largely because we're exempting capital gains, and we're taxing your spending with the sales tax," Williams said. "People at the top end don't spend all their money and they get a lot of capital gains, so they are doing pretty well here."

    Cain disputed the analysis Tuesday evening during GOP presidential debate in Las Vegas, where the other Republican candidates heaped on criticism. Cain has acknowledged that taxes would increase for some but says taxes would decrease for most.

    "It does not raise taxes on those that are making the least," Cain said. "All of those are simply not true."

    "The reason that our plan is being attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the current tax code and put in something that's simple and fair," Cain said. "They want to continue to be able to manipulate the American people with a 10 million-word mess."

    Cain's plan would scrap current taxes on income, payroll, capital gains and corporate profits. He would replace them with a 9 percent tax on income, a 9 percent business tax and a 9 percent national sales tax.

    Cain's campaign has gained momentum largely in response to his tax plan, which is popular in part because of its simplicity. Several polls have the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza at or near the top of the Republican field, vying with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

    President Barack Obama told ABC News that Cain's tax plan would impose a "huge burden" on middle-class and working families. The president said Cain's plan would make sure the wealthiest pay less — and replace the revenue with a sales tax hitting the less well-off.

    Romney criticized the plan in a conference call with reporters Tuesday.

    "I believe that you're going to find with the 9-9-9 plan Herman Cain has put out that the burden shifts more to the middle class, and I think that's the wrong direction to go," Romney said. "A decision to completely jettison our current tax system for a new system always has some merit, but then you need to get into it, to figure out who's this going to help and who's this going to hurt."

    Cain's rise in the polls has brought increased scrutiny, and his tax plan has taken hits from across the political spectrum. Some don't like shifting the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor and middle class; others don't like the new national sales tax.

    "Anytime you give the Congress a brand-new tax, it doesn't go away," said Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn. "If we give Congress a 9 percent sales tax, how long will it take a liberal president and a liberal Congress to run that up to maybe 90 percent?"

    William McBride, an economist at the conservative Tax Foundation, said Cain's plan to move away from taxing savings and investment "would be a very good thing for growth in the long run."

    But, McBride said, the national sales tax would be a nightmare to administer because so many state and local governments already have sales taxes, and the bases are different.

    In most states, food and medicine are excluded from sales tax. Cain has said his sales tax would be applied to all new goods — only used goods would be exempt.

    "It's not as simple as having all these jurisdictions simply tack on 9 percent and send it to the federal government," McBride said in an interview.

    Cain has said his plan would initially raise as much money as the current tax system but do it more efficiently, leading to economic growth, which would produce higher tax revenues. The Tax Policy Center analysis agreed that the plan would initially raise about the same amount of money as current tax policy, about $2.55 trillion in 2013.

    The Tax Policy Center compared taxes on U.S. households under current tax policy, with those imposed under the Cain plan. In using current tax policy, the analysis assumes that tax cuts enacted under former President George W. Bush — and extended through 2012 by Obama — would be extended.

    The center did a separate analysis that assumed all the Bush-era tax cuts would expire at the end of 2012. Under that scenario, Cain's plan would still impose higher taxes on 77 percent of U.S. households, the report said.

    The Tax Policy Center is a research group formed by two Washington think tanks: the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. Researchers at the center regularly testify before Congress on tax policy. The center's analyses during the 2008 presidential campaign were widely circulated.

    The center said researchers tried to consult with Cain's advisers to make sure they were interpreting the plan correctly, but they had not heard back.

    ___

    Associated Press writer Steve Peoples contributed to this report.

     
    • Gmaw  •  Branson, United States  •  6 mths ago
      In the 1980's Pres. Reagan eliminated the taxes charged on food stamps at the grocery store. Food stamps are TAX DOLLARS, used to help the poor.

      But the TAX DOLLARS paid out for ADC (Aid for Dependent children) are still being taxed.

      IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL TO APPLY A TAX ON TAX DOLLARS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PAID OUT TO THE GOVERNMENT.

      Unemployment benefits are also TAX DOLLARS, that people pay in out of their checks in the form of FICA taxes.

      These benefits are also taxed every time the person swipes the card to spend their benefits on clothing, medicine, school supplies for children, etc.

      They already paid these benefits in withholding FICA taxes from their paychecks, prior to applying for them.

      Elderly people have paid FICA taxes out of their paychecks for many years, and yet their benefits are taxed every time they buy medication with a co pay on their Medicare, or make a purchase at the local hardware store, or groceries.

      Many elderly people cannot qualify for food stamp help because “they have too much money coming in.”
      My mom has $12.00 a month too much money.

      Child support for children under 18, when pulled from a bank ATM, the bank charges a fee to release those funds.

      But you need an EBT card to collect the child support for the children, the child support funds are collected by the court and put into a bank in the capitol city of each state.

      Children should not have to pay a bank fee to collect their support money.

      These EBT cards for the poor, children, the elderly and unemployed should be made exempt from taxes and bank fees.
    • Roy  •  7 mths ago
      9% tax on income should include ALL INCOME, INCLUDING CAPITAL GAINS INCOME! The average middle class worker works for a PAYCHECK, and that is subject to a 9% tax under Herman Cain's plan. Now that paycheck that is earned is the majority of their income. Now with million and billionaires', a large percentage of their income is from capital gains, which would be tax exempt under Cain's plan. For example, last year Warren Buffett had a reported income of 62.9 million dollars. Of that 62.9 million dollars, Buffett made 23.1 million dollars from capital gains, which would be exempt under Cain's plan. So, under Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, Warren Buffet would only pay $2,079,000, 9% of 39.8 million (62.9 million minus 23.1 million), or 3.3% of his TOTAL INCOME. Now how is that fair that millionaires and billionaires will be paying 3% OR LESS of their TOTAL INCOME when the average Joe will be paying 9% of their income???
      • Asa 7 mths ago
        But...But....job creators! If you don't tax them, they'll HIRE YOU!
      • Stefen Rogers 7 mths ago
        Yup in my dreams they hire me all the time.
      • Walter Mooney 7 mths ago
        I don't understand. Why not just worry about yourself and not people you don't even know?
    • Charles  •  7 mths ago
      Expanding on the information on this article, let's look at an example, using one of the wealthiest, Warren Buffet. There was an article on this a few days ago, if you want to look for it and find out specifics, but the gist of it is this: Warren Buffet's taxable income last year was $40 million, of which only $4.9 million was from non-capital gains. He paid almost $7 million in income taxes. This included a 15% rate on $35 million in capital gains income (rate lowered to 15% by Pres Bush in 2003 and is the lowest capital gains rate in over 50 years), plus his regular tax rate on the $4.9 million of non-capital gains assets, for a combined tax rate of a little over 17%. If you apply the tax structure from Mr Cain's 999 plan, to Mr Buffet's $40 million income, he would pay a total of $441k, a savings of almost $6.5 million, or almost 95%. This is because he would only pay a 9% rate on the $4.9 million of non-capital gains income, and his $35 million income from capital gains would be totally exempt. His actual tax rate on $40 million of income would be slightly over 1 percent. This is why this article says this plan favors the rich so much. Do you realize that it would take over 1500 incomes at the median household income of $45k per year to pay in enough taxes under the 999 plan to make up for the difference in what Mr Buffet no longer would pay? And Mr Buffet is far from the only person who is in this situation. There are many super rich people, and corporations, who derive almost all of their income from capital gains, and there are many more who would shift their incomes around in order to take advantage of the tax exemption break. This tax plan is nothing more than a huge giveaway for the rich, while at the same time increasing the effective tax rate on very low income workers by double digits, through a 9 percent federal income tax and a 9 percent national sales tax. This sales tax would be in addition to the state, county, and city sales taxes already in existence, and since the poor spend nearly all of their disposable income on necessities, the 9 percent national sales tax would hit them particularly hard. Aside from that, I think this plan would result in a reduction of tax revenue due to the huge breaks to the wealthy. As more studies come out, this tax plan will be exposed for the sham it is, and when the working class and poor see what the plan actually does, they will drop support for it very quickly.
      • Jim 7 mths ago
        Warren Buffet is an anomaly. Do not
        use him as an example for anything unless you are Obama.
      • Cartigan 7 mths ago
        How is he an anomaly? Are you proposing he is the only hedge fund manager in the world?
    • Dusty  •  7 mths ago
      Why would the GOP plans of making business and the rich-richer help the working man? The money would be a gift and not from increased sales. Why would you hire more if your sales are still down and the middle-class and poor become even poorer?
    • elfin212  •  Mount Laurel, United States  •  7 mths ago
      we pay 10 percent sales tax in Washington state now ... plus Herman 's 9 is 19 pct
      every item I buy ... are you kidding me Herman ... plus who is to stop them from
      raising it every year ? plus I am retired and getting NO pay increases ... how does
      this 9 pct income tax work on me ?

      who is asking the questions ???
      • Martini Master 7 mths ago
        Regardless of how much an individual spends under 9-9-9, they'll still save money.
        Let's use the AP's examples:
        An individual in Tennessee (9.4% Sales Tax- Highest Sales Tax) making $10000 & $20000 per year and spending 90% of their GROSS INCOME.
        Currently-
        $10000 per year $1500 per year in income tax (15%) $620 per year in FICA (6.2%) $145 per year in Medicare (1.45%) = $2265 in PAYROLL TAXES. If they spend 90% of their gross income, $9000, they currently pay $846 in sales tax (9.4%). TOTAL=$3111.
        $20000 per year $3000 per year in income tax (15%) $1240 per year in FICA (6.2%) $290 per year in Medicare (1.45%) = $4530 in PAYROLL TAXES. If they spend 90% of their gross income, $18000, they currently pay $1692 in sales tax (9.4%). TOTAL=$6222.
        Under 9-9-9-
        $10000 per year $900 per year in income tax (9%) = $900 in PAYROLL TAXES. If they spend 90% of their gross income, $9000, they will pay $1656 in sales tax (18.4%). TOTAL=$2556. SAVINGS=$555.
        $20000 per year $1800 per year in income tax (9%) = $1800 in PAYROLL TAXES. If they spend 90% of their gross income, $18000, they will pay $3312 in sales tax (18.4%). TOTAL=$3312. SAVINGS=$1110.
        OH WAIT!!! YOU CANNOT CURRENTLY SPEND 90% OF YOUR GROSS BECAUSE YOU CURRENTLY PAY 22.65% IN PAYROLL TAXES VERSUS 9% PAYROLL TAXES 9% SALES TAX FOR 18% TOTAL. Which is not how I calculated this example.

        I may not be the smartest peanut in the turd, but even I can calculate.
        "The former businessman explained that he would DO AWAY WITH THE EXISTING TAX CODE AND REPLACE IT with a nine percent tax on corporate income, a nine percent tax on personal income and a nine percent national sales tax." - Herman Cain - CNN "Cain promotes '9-9-9' tax plan, lays out his economic policies"
        Mr. Cain's plan, known as 999, would replace all taxes with three flat taxes of 9 percent each on individual income, corporate income, and sales. He would abolish payroll taxes, levies on capital gains, estate taxes, and most individual deductions, such as the mortgage interest deduction for itemizers. - RealClearMarkets
        2011 Individual Income Tax Rate Schedule (for the Tax Return Due by April 16, 2012)

        EFile-
        The table below shows the income tax rates and tax brackets for Tax Year 2011, listed by filing status and annual income ranges. Use your taxable income, after applying exemptions and deductions, to find your tax bracket and its tax rate. For a more detailed estimate of your taxes, use the free income tax estimator and tax calculator.
        Tax Rate Single Married/Joint* Married/Separate Head of Household
        10% $0 $0 $0 $0
        15% $8,500 $17,000 $8,500 $12,150
        25% $34,500 $69,000 $34,500 $46,250
        28% $83,600 $139,350 $69,675 $119,400
        33% $174,400 $212,300 $106,150 $193,350
        35% $379,150 $379,150 $189,575 $379,150
      • Matt 7 mths ago
        You only pay 9% sales tax on new items, not everything you buy. Buy a used car, used home, used anything if you don't need new. Keep more money in your pocket and pay tax when you buy a NEW item. It's your choice to pay the 9% sales tax. Buy items that aren't new and skip the sales tax.
      • Gemini45 7 mths ago
        Matt, with your reasoning, the country would go broke immediatly if not sooner! Fewer sales of new goods equal fewer jobs. Fewer jobs means less taxes. Less taxes means no money to keep Gov't. operating, which means no military, no police, school teachers, firefighters, and so on! Then chaos!
    • Robert Wyatt  •  Lafayette, United States  •  7 mths ago
      It's time for the freeloaders too pay their Fair Share of taxes
      • Scott 7 mths ago
        #$%$ straight! Why should hedge fund managers get to pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes than a middle class citizen? Herman Cain's plan is a regressive joke!
      • Grand Imam O'Reilly 7 mths ago
        Are you talking about the people who already pay 100% of their landlord's and their boss' property and income taxes?
      • Darmok E. Jalad 7 mths ago
        By freeloaders, you mean the top 2%, right?
    • christopher  •  7 mths ago
      I'm still waiting for Mr. Cain to talk about the huge negative impact this will have on the massive retail industry. Obviously, adding a national sales tax to only new goods will have a huge impact on retailers and those jobs. Sure, the secondary market will do better, but at cost of new sales, which will cost countless jobs in retail. Where will those people go?
      • Chris 7 mths ago
        It will have little to no impact. Let's face people WILL STILL want NEW stuff, but it would be THEIR choice, not the governments.
      • Michael M 7 mths ago
        You may want new stuff but if your tax total goes from 2 percent to 18 percent then you may just have to settle for used.... I also see the formation of a black market for goods that would make prohibition look like a tea party by comparison.
      • christopher 7 mths ago
        Guys, my question isn't about what people want, I'm talking about the millions of jobs in retail. Chris, if they steal, that is still a negative for retailers, that money lost due to shrink will come out of payroll.
    • Free Thinker  •  7 mths ago
      cain is getting destroyed in the debate. 999 has been exposed for what it is: a tax increase on 84% of the population.

      you want to create jobs? don't punish the population for consumer spending. you want to create jobs? repeal free trade agreements and bring our jobs back to this country.
    • everything4lessstore.com  •  7 mths ago
      People sure are stupid. This is simple math folks and has nothing to do with politics. Take your stupid blinders off and see this for what it is. This 999 plan is nothing more than a plan to reduce taxes on the rich while raising taxes on the poor and middle class. Fair has nothing to do with it when you make more than a million a year. A millionaire or billionaire can afford to pay more without suffering one little bit. A family of four making $25000 having to pay $4500 tax off the top just in federal tax is wrong. A single person making $10000 should not have to pay $1800 just in federal taxes. What are they left with after paying state and local taxes and rent? Then what? All you will do is shift more people into poverty and collecting benefits that would then negate any increase in revenue. Sorry but that is backwards thinking. Most of you idiots posting how great Cain is should really do the math for themselves as you will probably end up paying a whole lot more while his rich Koch buddies pay less. I dont care if Obama or Jesus Christ himself came up with this plan it is wrong.
    • Steve  •  7 mths ago
      Seeing they missed on some of their assumptions. Garbage in, garbage out.
    • Dusty  •  7 mths ago
      Why would the GOP plans of making business and the rich-richer help the working man? The money would be a gift and not from increased sales. Why would you hire more if your sales are still down and the middle-class and poor become even poorer?
    • Dan Thomas  •  Beltsville, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Why is it that when Paul Ryan announced his plan to balance the federal budget in 60+ years, everyone was cheering, fainting and screaming for him to run for President? But when Ron Paul announced his plan on Monday to balance our federal budget & reduce the federal debt by $1 trillion in 3 Years, we heard NOT ONE word about it in the news?
    • Richard  •  7 mths ago
      Translating "I'll pay more as long as all pay some!" from GOPer flunkyspeak into real English gives you...

      You'll pay more, as long as millionaires and billionaires pay much, much less.
    • THUMBS DOWN IN RED  •  Port Orchard, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Why should I complain ? I am getting a $38 raise .
    • Stevan  •  7 mths ago
      Even the Republican candidates (except Cain) say taxes on the middle and bottom will go up...taxes on the top earners will go dramatically down. Yet some posters here take issue with this. I'm not doing any arithmetic over it. I' m taking their, and all the economists, word for it. I guess it's just about being oppositional. Anyway, you're so worried about somebody making $10,000 paying taxes that you're willing to pay thousands more yourself while those making millions will pay hundreds of thousands less. What a bunch!
    • ko  •  Baltimore, United States  •  7 mths ago
      To all those tools who say "Did a poor person ever give you a job", let me ask you this: Did a rich person ever fix your toilet?
    • Steve G  •  Mechanicsburg, United States  •  7 mths ago
      OK, I went through last year's Federal Tax return. My gross income was $61,524. After exemptions and deductions I paid $2491 in tax. My payroll taxes were $4707. So my total tax paid was $7198. Under the 9-9-9 plan my tax owed would be $5599, an initial savings of $1599. However, the 9.1% sales tax is a bit of an unknown. It could result in my paying an extra 9.1% on almost everything I buy (I estimate $45,000 worth of goods and services, which at 9.1% would be an extra $4095 a year so I would be $2496 worse off). But Cain is claiming that the 9.1% would replace existing taxes in the sales price, meaning I may not be paying more per item, or I may only be paying a little more, or quite a lot more. I need more information before I know how this would affect me.
    • Mikey O  •  Washington, United States  •  7 mths ago
      A fair question... "how will 9-9-9 be revenue neutral?" Well, many economists say it will actually bring in more money than the current tax code. But, for starters:
      1. We already have 47% paying little to no taxes. So, as unfair as it seems (it really isn't unfair at all actually, why should some people have the luxury of paying nothing simply because they made poorer decisions in life) the base is expanded for everyone. The gov't collects revenue from more people.
      2. If you reduce the corporate tax rates, AND reduce income rates, people have more money to spend. They will demand more goods. To meet this demand, companies will have to hire more workers, and with the reduced corporate tax burden, they have more of their own money to spend on these workers. The more they produce and sell to people with more money means in the end, they pay a lower rate but on much larger profits.
      3. As with number two, increased employment means an increased demand for labor. With an increase in labor demand, and a very slowly increasing supply (people in the workforce) companies have to pay more to keep their workers. Therefore, income goes up. With more income, just like with corporate taxes, the rate is lower, but on a much larger average wage.
      So, we have a larger, wealthier tax base buying more (paying sales tax), earning more (paying income tax) and more companies with larger profits who pay taxes. In addition, companies will come to the US instead of home basing themselves overseas.
      For some reason, a lot of the analysis done doesn't include the dynamic (changing and increasing economic base) qualitative analysis I just said. This will help bring down the deficit as well as the overall national debt because with less people on the gov't dole (ecause they have earnest wages through full time employment), spending can be cut.I think they really need to hammer these points.
    • Michael M  •  7 mths ago
      @Silent Warrior who writes: "Compared to what Americans pay in taxes now, 9-9-9 would benefit ALL Americans even with the 9% national sales tax."

      What planet do you live on and what school taught you math.

      Under the current Federal Tax system:
      A single person making 10K using standard deductions would get $3650 exemption for being him and $5700 in Standard deduction.
      Total $9350 in deductions leaving him with a TAXABLE INCOME of $650
      His tax would then be $64. We then add $765 in Payroll taxes (SS Medicare) giving a total of $828 in federal taxation. Under the Cain Plan he would START OUT with $900 in tax (9 percent of $10,000) so he would be in the hole before we even start to calculate how much the 9 percent Sales Tax would cost him.

      I could go right up the income chain and give you examples just like that one. And that was for a single person the worst case senario.... When you add in a wife and some kids the difference between current tax obligations Cains plan becomes even greater...(due to added dependent deductions joint filing tax tables and Child Credits.
    • Friedrich  •  7 mths ago
      embedded taxes add up to 23%-25%, those would be removed under the 9-9-9 plan and replaced with a 9% visible sales tax. They are adding the sales tax ontop of the taxes already present. Prices would drop 20% as a result of the government stopping taxes producers and manufacturers and stores. so you would end up saving 10% on everything you buy, and in excess of 20% on used goods, which are not taxed under 9-9-9.
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