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    After tent cities fade, Occupy turns to specifics

    NEW YORK (AP) — For more than two months, they were open-air communes where people came to rebuild society and start a nationwide discussion on how to close the wide gap between the rich and the poor. But as Occupy Wall Street tent cities fade away, a growing number of protesters are pushing to put a clear message ahead of the movement.

    Alan Collinge has his list ready — return bankruptcy protection to student loans. Bring back regulations that were removed from the Glass-Steagall Act. End corporate personhood.

    "They should come up with a short term list of no brainer agenda items," said Collinge, wearing a huge sign in the rain at New York's Zuccotti Park calling for student loan reforms.

    More than a dozen other protesters interviewed by The Associated Press also came up with a wish list of specifics to address what they say is corporate greed and economic inequality. The list of demands ranged from the simple — get corporate money out of politics — to the ethereal (make sure Washington politicians act with a moral conscience).

    Asking Occupy protesters what, exactly, they would do to reform government and the financial system is a loaded question and a source of internal conflict. Collinge, 41, of Tacoma, Wash., said he has unsuccessfully lobbied Occupy's general assembly meetings in New York to develop a strong platform, but has been rebuffed.

    "A lot of people, they think that this should be sort of a catchall" for every issue, he said, the goal being to expose the economic problems in the country, not solve them.

    Other cities' movements have held meetings of committees with titles like "cohesive messaging" to discuss strategy, but haven't agreed on listing specifics as a movement. The greater purpose isn't to influence the government or the financial system through classic demands, but to foster broad cultural changes that will gradually empower people to stop depending on big corporations and Wall Street money.

    "All the energy has gone into an outcry over economic conditions, with the hope that others will join us and pick up issues they care about," says Bill Dobbs, press liaison for Occupy Wall Street in New York. "Our best hope is inspiring other people to take action to bring economic justice."

    Some observers and experts predict that Occupy groups may spend the next few months focusing on smaller actions while waiting for the summer when the Republican and Democratic conventions would give Occupiers a world-wide audience.

    But ask around, and protesters who spent weeks living in encampments and talking about the country's woes have a clear idea of what they want.

    A number have called for limiting campaign donations and getting big money out of politics. Some Occupy members want to limit the amount of money a person is allowed to give a politician. Others want to ban corporate donations specifically, or the number of campaign ads.

    "How did Abraham Lincoln ever become president without a television set?" asked Ryan Peterson, an entertainment company worker from Chicago who lived for weeks in Zuccotti Park. Paul Lemaire, a 20-year-old visual arts student from Brooklyn, wants the two-party system eliminated.

    The influence of money in politics is one of the greatest factors behind the gap between the superrich and the poor, said James Parrott, chief economist at the Fiscal Policy Institute in New York, which published a report last year on economic disparity. It shows "that they're very focused in understanding the root causes" of the country's economic issues, he said.

    The call for tighter regulation of campaign contributions won't gain traction anytime soon. The Supreme Court, in its landmark Citizens United decision in January 2010, cleared the way for corporations to spend unlimited funds to influence elections, often using money from anonymous donors. The court struck down most of the so-called McCain-Feingold law that had set tight restrictions on such donations, arguing that government did not have the right to regulate political speech.

    Campaign regulation, stopping wars that strain resources, halting corporate personhood — the spending power given to corporations in the 2010 Supreme Court ruling — and addressing higher education costs have emerged as key goals of the Occupy movement in Los Angeles. Organizers say they are now focusing on sharpening their objectives, as police moved in to shut down the two-month-old encampment this week.

    "We've been collecting ideas, seeing what the priorities are, vetting and researching them," said activist Suzanne O'Keeffe, a member of Occupy LA's Demands & Objectives Committee.

    Los Angeles member Mario Brito said the movement plans to pressure elected and bank officials for a moratorium on foreclosures, and said members would "occupy" bank lobbies, boardrooms and executives' homes to force the action.

    In Minneapolis, five members of the Occupy MN "Cohesive Messaging Committee" gathered to talk strategy this week at a downtown coffee shop, asking that people attending recent General Assembly meetings fill out cards expressing broad themes that were important to them. The group entered the cards into a spreadsheet and found economic justice, democracy, education and campaign finance reform as the common themes.

    Collinge, an aerospace engineer who later founded a website about problems with student loans, lists the congressional bill he wants passed to return bankruptcy protections to student loans. The Depression-Era Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial banking from investment banking, is another named law cited at the top of protesters' demands in cities across the country. Most of the restrictions that regulated the two forms of banking were repealed in 1999, and are blamed by many economists for contributing to the financial crisis in 2007.

    Kalle Lasn, the co-founder of Adbusters, the Canadian magazine that helped ignite the Occupy movement, supports a 1 percent global "Robin Hood" tax on big financial transactions. Similar taxes and increases have been proposed for years, including the Obama administration's "financial crisis responsibility fee" tax proposal of last year, intended to raise $90 billion over the next decade.

    As individual protesters and movements fashion a platform, experts and organizers warned that defining the movement more broadly keeps everyone in and keeps responsibility in the hands of the power brokers.

    "They've achieved a lot by having the open ended process that they've had so far," said Parrott, the Fiscal Policy Institute's chief economist. "They should be selective in that there are some people who are trying to glom onto the stage that they've created" with ideas that aren't part of the main movement.

    Will Birney, who left his job as a waiter in Westport, Ct., to join Occupy's New York movement, has one wish, although it can't be passed into law or regulated by the Treasury Department.

    "I would instill a fair conscience, if people could look to morality," said Birney, 26.

    He knows he's reaching, but says that's the point of the movement.

    "I'm not even thinking we're going to get concrete solutions out of this," he said. "All I want is a change."

    ___

    Associated Press writers Beth Fouhy, David B. Caruso and Verena Dobnik in New York, Christina Hoag in Los Angeles and Steve Karnowski in Minneapolis contributed to this report.

     

    487 comments

    • W  •  5 mths ago
      Just like with housing, if you can't afford it don't buy it. The only way to stop foolish purchases is to stop giving fools money.
      • Sharmane 5 mths ago
        A fool and his money are soon parted.
      • Paul 5 mths ago
        Congress should stop funding indian tribes because tribes base services on race, not equal opportunity.
    • Thomas  •  5 mths ago
      Corporate Greed and Political Favors go together like peanut butter & jelly..
      If you want to stop Corporate Greed..
      Elect ethical representatives in Congress (and President).
      After all.. The Government makes the rules.
      Stop "pay-to-play" Politics
      • Steven J 5 mths ago
        That's the crux of the problem with OWS. They're looking to government to solve their problems, when the problems are mostly caused by the corrupt politicians.
      • Joseph Morabito 5 mths ago
        Haha
        You said "ethical" and "politics" in the same sentence. When were you born??? This morning?
    • Craig  •  Philadelphia, United States  •  5 mths ago
      If you want to prevent (or at least lessen) the financial crisis
      that Caused this:
      #1 Reinstate the Glass Steagall Act that separates commercial
      and investment banks, enacted during the Depression and repealed
      in 2000, eight years before the crisis.
      #2 Regulate the credit rating agencies.
      #3 Reward and recognize companies that keep jobs in the US
      #4 Don't allow mortgage backed securities to be resold with a different rating
      #5 Use Anti-trust laws to break up companies and banks that are too big to fail
      #6 Repeal the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act of 2000 that
      de-regulates Derivatives.

      The folks on Wall Street own the government and everything the candidates are saying. So don't expect politicians to institute any of these policies on their own. It is gonna to take a tremendous amount of pressure from American Citizens to make sure these priorities are addressed.
      • Jabberwocky 5 mths ago
        Craig---Excellent post.
      • deborah 5 mths ago
        These are all good suggestions. They will never happen until we have congressional reform. No one in congress with vote to make these changes while they are taking money from these same people who this will impact the most.

        1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.
        2. No campaign donations for more than $500 from any individual including their own money. No donations from businesses to campaigns
        3. No congressman, or their staff can become a lobbyist for 25 years nor can they accept monies from a lobbyist.
        4. If you have been a lobbyist you do not qualify for a public service position. 5. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose. 6. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.
        7. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
        8. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.
        9. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term’s [sic], then go home and back to work.
        10.A formal investigation into campaign contributions, lobbying monies vs how our elected officials voted. If there is a conflict of interest the politician and the donor will be prosecuted and all legislation they benefited from will be repealed.
        This is a beginning.
      • ak-roady 5 mths ago
        #2 is regulated...just poorly because it's regulated by a Government agency- the SEC.
        #3...so literally pay companies to keep jobs here...rather than get rid of the Unions that force them to outsource? not a solution
        #4 if #2 were done appropriately this wouldn't be an issue.
        #5 would put those companies out of business. Break up GM into Buick, Chevy and GMC and lose all the manufacturing, administrative and management synergies that keep them somewhat profitable? You'd triple their overhead!

        other than that I'm good with everything.
    • Jim  •  5 mths ago
      I had to pay back my student loans, why shouldn't they?
      • Marie G. 5 mths ago
        Students are paying a fortune to go to college while Obama has illegals going on your money.
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        1) We need more consumers to stimulate the economy
        2) School is much more expensive now
        3) They were victims of predatory lending in many cases
        4) There's no jobs for them to make money to pay them off (you don't pay off $50k in loans on minimum wage).
      • ellquestion authority 5 mths ago
        no jobs, not even mcdonalds after graduation. graduates who are really stuck started their degrees with a bright future but within a few months before graduation, jobs dissipated, economy cratered out, that's why.
    • justmyopinion  •  5 mths ago
      If taxpayer dollars are funding colleges why should tuition so high? Not every taxpayer is going to college but they're paying for it! Something's wrong with that picture!
      • Jere 5 mths ago
        Simple supply and demand situation. Government loans create greater money supply for the educators to chase. Economics 101, but not recognized in the liberal community.
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        Universal rights and capitalism don't mix. Either you deserve something on the basis of being human or you only deserve it if you can pay for it.

        The solution is not to remove the loans but to cap the tuition.
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        Also, college sports is more important to many universities than college educations.
    • Richard  •  Boise, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Sometimes the self destructive utopian dream needs the helping hands of reality to help it reach its enviable conclusion.
    • J R S  •  Port St. Lucie, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Why fade out now... stay "OPEN" for the winter months. And show what determinations you have. Then again move down to Palm Beach for the winter and ACT UP there.
    • ROBERT  •  5 mths ago
      Seems to me many of the OWS protestors are protesting what they have helped to create.
      1. Student loans: Could it be that the easily available government sponsored loans for college have increased demand so much that tuition costs have escalated dramatically? Similar to the housing boom created by easy money and "affordable housing"
      2. Anti "personhood" for corporations: If a labor union, a non-person, can contribute to a political campaign, why not a corporation? They can both be defined as a group organized for a "special interest"
      3. Jobs: I assume these people would not pay 50% more for a product manufactured in the U.S. Yet their policies and the policies of those they elect to office cause high manufacturing costs due to high corporate taxes, unions, and various environmental and work place regulations that U.S. manufacturers are forced to deal with. The result is off- shore manufacturing jobs that bring products to market at a lower cost so they will buy them. Unfortunately, these exported manufacturing jobs were at one time good paying middle class jobs for Americans.
    • mike  •  5 mths ago
      If you ask the government for everything, you'll get a government that controls everything.
    • Crashdummy  •  5 mths ago
      I could not afford to go to college as I was too busy working to support my family. I feel that I should not have to fund some strangers liberal arts degree that is benefiting no one.
    • Royal1  •  5 mths ago
      Risky loans to students that they don't even want to pay back, They are not worth it.
    • Marlin  •  Blairsville, United States  •  5 mths ago
      End student loans and grants then watch the cost of a college education drop to an affordable rate
    • dusty  •  Killeen, United States  •  5 mths ago
      They talk about taking away SS which people paid into all their working lives yet hand out free money for people to go to school Now tell me does that make any sense
    • c-citizen  •  Atlanta, United States  •  5 mths ago
      “the goal being to expose the economic problems in the country, not solve them”.

      The problem is racking up massive college debt when jobs are not a given. Their solution is to allow students to declare bankruptcy and default on the loans. Hilarious!
    • rob w  •  5 mths ago
      How about a live within your own means tax?
    • Ram  •  5 mths ago
      Typical liberal headline. Nothing specific they all agree on as the article states. And to declare bankruptcy on student loans so childish. No one made them go to college. Where does the money come from to pay for all this stuff they want. Might make sense to investigate why you pay so much for such a useless education. Seems most of the professors would count by income as the rich, yet no talk about that. And rebuild society? Really? If you want socialism then move! I know all those countries are in shambles, but that is the real result of socialism, not the made up dream your over paid college professors told you.
    • Mark Sumner  •  Tulsa, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Some of those suggestions may be good but this country needs an era of "getting back to basics". Lets start by the federal government treating all races equally. No one race is more valuable than any other.
    • Frank  •  Hartford, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Nobody seems to have commented on the "remove personhood from corporations". This seems like a good idea to me. It is the basis of all the rulings allowing for unlimited lobbying, corporate spending for politicians, etc. They don't have to be "people" to be taxed and regulated, they only have to be "people" to earn civil rights such as free speech. Unfortunately it would take a constitutional amendment since the definition of a corporate as a "person" goes back to a Supreme Court ruling, and it would never get through Congress. Unfortunate since I believe most Americans agree that companies are not "people" and shouldn't be afforded the same rights as voting Americans.
    • Steven  •  5 mths ago
      It's hard for me to feel sorry for a bunch of losers crying about their student loans and lack of jobs when I put myself through college while working at crummy jobs at night and supporting a family at the same time.
    • Wasted Talent  •  Rome, Italy  •  5 mths ago
      Pick low fruit first. Glass-Steagal is a good one. The Stock Act is another. Knowing who represents you in congress is a huge first step. 2 senators and 1 house member......depending on where you live.
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