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    Thomas, Kagan asked to sit out health care case

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Conservative interest groups and Republican lawmakers want Justice Elena Kagan off the health care case. Liberals and Democrats in Congress say it's Justice Clarence Thomas who should sit it out.

    Neither justice is budging — the right decision, according to many ethicists and legal experts.

    None of the parties in the case has asked the justices to excuse themselves. But underlying the calls on both sides is their belief that the conservative Thomas is a sure vote to strike down President Barack Obama's health care law and that the liberal Kagan is certain to uphold the main domestic achievement of the man who appointed her.

    The stakes are high in the court's election-year review of a law aimed at extending coverage to more than 30 million people. Both sides have engaged in broad legal and political maneuvering for the most favorable conditions surrounding the court's consideration of the case.

    Taking away just one vote potentially could tip the outcome on the nine-justice court.

    Republican lawmakers recently have stepped up their effort against Kagan, complaining that the Justice Department has not fully revealed Kagan's involvement in planning the response to challenges to the law. Kagan was Obama's solicitor general, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, until he nominated her to the high court last year.

    "The public has a right to know both the full extent of Justice Kagan's involvement with this legislation while she was solicitor general, as well as her previously stated views and opinions about the legislation while she was serving as solicitor general," the House Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Tuesday in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.

    Democrats have said Thomas has a conflict of interest stemming from the work of his wife, Virginia, with several groups that opposed the health care overhaul.

    "From what we have already seen, the line between your impartiality and you and your wife's financial stake in the overturn of health care reform is blurred," 74 Democrats wrote Thomas in February. The lead writer was Anthony Weiner, the New York Democrat who resigned from Congress in June over his use of Twitter to send explicit photos of himself to women.

    One lawmaker who signed the letter, Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., said she feels even more strongly now that Thomas has a conflict. She wants the Justice Department to investigate Thomas for omitting his wife's employers, including the Heritage Foundation and the tea-party linked Liberty Central, from his annual financial disclosure reports.

    The campaigns against the justices are partisan, suggesting to some legal experts that the complaints are less about perceived conflicts than the outcome of the health care case.

    "They are not doing it in the dark about how they think the justices will rule," said University of Notre Dame law professor Richard Garnett.

    Looking at the claims made against Thomas and Kagan, Garnett said, "I don't think there's really a plausible case that either of these two justices should feel the need to recuse themselves."

    Still, interest groups and lawmakers on both sides have sought to paint a picture of a justice who is hopelessly compromised and has no choice but to recuse, the term for a judge stepping out of a case. They also say there is no basis for the justice with whom they agree to step aside — Thomas for the conservatives, Kagan for the liberals.

    "She has been exceedingly careful, unlike Justice Thomas," Nan Aron of the liberal Alliance for Justice said of Kagan.

    Carrie Severino, a former law clerk for Thomas and chief counsel to the conservative Judicial Crisis Network, said the attacks on Thomas are groundless. "It's possible it's a pre-emptive strike because they knew there would be questions raised about Kagan's participation," Severino said.

    Federal law requires any judge to sit out a case in which one of several conditions is met, including if "his impartiality might reasonably be questioned."

    Another provision of the law that has triggered Kagan's decision to stay out of 28 cases since she joined the court concerns a judge who formerly served as a government lawyer. A judge should not participate if he or she served as counsel or adviser "concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy."

    Kagan was as Obama's solicitor general before he nominated her last year to take the seat of Justice John Paul Stevens. She testified during her confirmation hearing in 2010 that she "attended at least one meeting where the existence of the litigation was briefly mentioned, but none where any substantive discussion of the litigation occurred." Kagan left the administration in August, about five months after the health care overhaul became law.

    She said she would not take part in cases in which she "participated in formulating the government's litigating position."

    Some opponents of the law said that Kagan did enough as solicitor general to meet her standard for stepping aside. They said emails released by the Justice Department under the Freedom of Information Act show Kagan had greater involvement in the administration's legal strategy than she acknowledged.

    Most of the emails were written by Kagan's then-deputy, Neal Katyal. In one message, he said Kagan wanted her office "to be involved in this set of issues." In another, Katyal said he was copying Kagan on an email in which he offered recommendations on steps the Justice Department could take to counter a challenge to the law. "I haven't discussed this with Elena, but am cc'ing her here," Katyal said.

    They also point to Kagan's email exchange with Larry Tribe, then an adviser at the Justice Department, about an upcoming vote on the legislation in the House of Representatives. "I hear they have the votes, Larry!! Simply amazing," she said.

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and three other GOP senators asked Holder last week to provide more information about Kagan's involvement.

    "When a former member of the administration is in a position to rule on litigation in which she apparently had some involvement and which concerns legislation she herself supports, public confidence in the administration of justice is undermined," they said.

    Even before the court decided to hear the case, conservative advocate Severino wrote that "the legitimacy of any decision where she is in the majority or plurality would be instantly suspect if she chooses not to recuse herself."

    Liberal advocate Aron said Thomas should issue a written explanation to "reassure the public that his decision-making won't be compromised by his past activities."

    Each side has said public confidence in the court will be hurt by the targeted justice's participation in the health care case.

    But University of Pittsburgh law professor and ethics expert Arthur Hellman said the attacks, if sustained, can themselves undermine faith in an independent judiciary. "These personalized attacks can have an effect over time on the stature of the judiciary as something outside politics," Hellman said.

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    • American  •  6 mths ago
      1st..make all of them have the same health care that we do...the, we can let then decide the case on a fair even playing field!!!
      • Oppy 6 mths ago
        They already do. Over half of Americans that have fulltime jobs receive an employer provided health insurance plan.
      • American 6 mths ago
        And what planet are you from? Haha.

        You think these people have the same privileges that we have? Do you think they would have to wait for an organ transplant? or surgery? or even make an appointment next week?
        Our judges, politicians, white house staff and pentagon officials have their own health care system, their own private doctors, their own lawyers, their own retirement plans, their own little teflon world that separates them from us.
      • Derrick Hopkins 6 mths ago
        @ American: Unfortunately, what you say is very true and it is amazing that people refuse to take the blinders off and see the truth about the "state of politics" in this country. Politics' in this country have degenerated into a morass of corruption that is slowing killing what was once a beautiful country. "The Land of The Free and The Home of The Brave" an ideal that is mocked on a consistent basis by those we have representing us as "The Keepers' of Our Dreams". I am not a radical person with wild ideas; however, the citizens of this country should realize that "enough is really enough". Until there is a truly legitimate, Independent third-party, this country will continue to be polarized by the idiots and bigots we currently have serving their own interest in Washington, D.C. Vote them out of office - all of them who are currently serving as a Senator or Representative.
    • mrs34  •  6 mths ago
      The justices need to decide according to law, not according to politics. The constitution is the law of the land and we had better not forget it.
      • Mr, X 6 mths ago
        If you think that's how the court rules, you're very naive.
      • sam 6 mths ago
        Well somebody had better explain this to Obimmer.
      • Gefergenstein 6 mths ago
        We do not follow the law... rather the highest payee...
    • Xj  •  6 mths ago
      Lot's of members of Congress I'd like to have sit out of legislative sessions as well.
      • BB8OhioFan 6 mths ago
        Agree! Those who have received Political Donations! Hmmm How will legislation get Passed if all are sitting out?
      • Idahoser 6 mths ago
        what on earth makes you want any more legislation?! The only legitimate work that Congress and the perverted "Other Congress" formerly known as the US Senate could possibly serve at this point is to begin repealing the billions of laws that don't meet constitutional muster.
      • vito 6 mths ago
        Where was GOD when this BUSH RECESSION was started?
        Why didnt GOD stop BUSH from INVADING IRAQ?
        Why didnt GOD stop the attack on the TWIN TOWERS?
        Why didnt GOD stop shipping JOBs OVERSEAS?
        What a BUNCH of RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS we have in this country
        Im 100% posituve that people ha\ve been praying for things to get better
        but the GD GOP has been stifling that effort ,they must BE DEVILS ADVOCATES
    • reva  •  Ashford, United States  •  6 mths ago
      what is this,"The Pelican Brief"?Is no one safe from sway?Where is truth?
    • James  •  Shakopee, United States  •  6 mths ago
      The Supreme Court is not the only organ of government to have conflict of interest issues. Perhaps we should enact a law that prevents any Senator or Congressman to vote on any issue for which he has accepted corporate or institutional campaign or other funding.
      • Writer 6 mths ago
        An excellent idea, James.
        Att-a-boy!
      • john 6 mths ago
        Absofreakinglutely!
      • Leonard 6 mths ago
        I agree.
    • Ray  •  Irvine, United States  •  6 mths ago
      So much for the Supreme Court being unbiased...
      • Cashman7323 6 mths ago
        Who said they were? Where you raised in a Disney movie?
      • eddie j 6 mths ago
        They never were
      • Scoobydoo 6 mths ago
        Let's not forget who put GW Bush into office! Ever wonder what this world would be like now if that hadn't happened? Do you really think Al Gore would have made all these wars and run up the deficit and put us into the situation we are in now?
    • john  •  6 mths ago
      The high and mighty ethicists of the congress what a sorry joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • trent  •  St. Louis, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Congress can't do their job but, they want to tell the Supreme Court how to do it's job. When will this circus leave town? The clowns are not funny anymore.
    • Dutch  •  Oklahoma City, United States  •  6 mths ago
      And all this time I thought judges were to be impartial with no party affiliations, bias, or political tilts ...
    • jv  •  6 mths ago
      The problem is this:
      Politicians and judges WITH FULL HEALTH CARE BENEFITS regulates the health care
      industry.
      Nooooobody would give a sh.t until the problem affecting her/him.
    • h2ok9  •  6 mths ago
      Judges are NOT perfect people, like the system makes them out to be... they are just as criminally conceited as any politician that put them in office... so there you have it!

      Mankind has to take second best because no one is perfect!
    • Robert  •  Austin, United States  •  6 mths ago
      A judge is to rule on the Constitutionality of the law, not serve a political agenda. That's why they're appointed for life, to hold down on pandering to voters for reelection. It seems all this partisan nonsense has no end and simply won't stop until the extremists destroy this nation through their greed for power. What it's time for is for the middle-of-the-road majority to make extremism every bit as socially unacceptable as racism.
    • Frank  •  6 mths ago
      Bias in the courts......NOTHING NEW HERE!!!!!.........
    • freedom1  •  Sunman, United States  •  6 mths ago
      this is not a debate between rebs or dems its all about the law of the land the constitution
    • c  •  Fort Cobb, United States  •  6 mths ago
      The supreme court should rule that Americans should have the same health care than their elected official! Period!
    • Mike  •  6 mths ago
      What ever happened to making decisions by the letter of the law and not by opinions of the judge?
    • Harry Kneecaps  •  6 mths ago
      "Thomas, Kagan asked to sit out health care case"

      I want them all to sit out. Our courts are a political circus. This issue is too important. Lets have a national referendum on this and let all Americans vote on it.
    • griz  •  Sacramento, United States  •  6 mths ago
      If the decision is made to up-hold this health care mess, than along with it should be the requirement that all Washington legislators be required to abandon their cadillac plan and enjoy the fruits of their laor by being part of what they have foisted off on the public.
    • BFE  •  6 mths ago
      The whole reason behind the Supreme Court was that the Senate and House could not dictate their decisions. Yet here they are trying to make the Supreme Courts decision to favor the Republicans or the Democrats. I think that all of the political parties are out of control, especially when they show that they are more concerned with their "party" than with the people. I say fire the lot and pick people from the middle class/poverty stricken areas and I guarentee well get things done faster because it affects us.
    • spank conservatives  •  6 mths ago
      @False Patriot taking money even for work done from a person or entity connected to case that are brought before the court you sit on is a violation of ethics. This includes close family especially your wife. If Kagen worked directly on the legislation she should sit it out but the Gov has many depts. and I call you False Patriot because you know this yet still you lie for partisan or more likely commercial gain because you a shill poster.
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