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    Too posh to push? More C-sections on demand in UK

    LONDON (AP) — Pregnant women in Britain, where the government provides free health care, may soon be able to get a cesarean section on demand thanks to a rule change that critics describe as the health system caving into the "too posh to push" crowd.

    Currently, British women who can't afford to pay private doctors for their baby's delivery have been allowed to have planned C-sections only if there are health concerns for mother or baby. Emergency C-sections are done when the situation demands it.

    But new guidelines set to take effect later this month say pregnant women "with no identifiable reason" should be allowed a cesarean if they still want it following a discussion with mental health experts.

    "It's about time women who have no desire to view labor as a rite of passage into motherhood be able to choose how they want to have their baby," said Pauline Hull, who has had two children by cesarean because of medical reasons. "The important thing to me was meeting my baby, not the experience of labor."

    Hull runs the website, Elective Cesarean, from her home in Surrey, south of London. She said midwives tend to overexaggerate the risks of C-sections and underestimate those of vaginal births.

    The new draft guidelines come from the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE. The agency's guidelines are usually accepted by the government and determine what will be paid for by its health system.

    "In general, a C-section is a safe operation, especially when performed as a planned procedure," the new guidance says.

    The agency says it routinely updates guidance every few years and denies there was any pressure to change its more restrictive C-section advice. But in recent years, advocates and some doctors have slammed the U.K. health system for not giving women a greater say in childbirth.

    The change comes at a price for Britain's cash-strapped health system. NICE estimates C-sections cost about 800 pounds ($1,280) more than a vaginal birth, although that doesn't include the price of treating possible long-term complications like urinary incontinence from vaginal births.

    The report notes that for every percentage point the C-section rate falls, the health system could save 5.6 billion pounds ($8.9 billion).

    In the U.K., about 25 percent of women have C-sections, versus about 30 percent in the U.S. In both countries, rates have doubled in recent years, though doctors say that's not just due to demand, but because pregnant women increasingly have other problems like obesity and diabetes.

    About 10 percent of all U.K. births are planned C-sections while about 15 percent are emergency procedures, according to NHS figures.

    The World Health Organization has previously said wealthy countries should aim for a C-section rate of about 15 percent, though it also says there isn't enough evidence to know what the ideal rate is.

    The National Health Service estimates that about 15 percent of British births take place in private hospitals, which tend to have higher cesarean rates. At Portland Hospital in London, where many celebrities check in, the C-section rate ranges from 35 to 40 percent.

    The issue of women having C-sections on demand has long been a hot button issue in the U.K., with celebrities like Madonna and former Spice Girl Victoria Beckham having scheduled procedures at upscale hospitals. Criticism for the wealthy getting these elective surgeries led to the phrase "too posh to push."

    But some experts say the new British guidance won't dramatically change how pregnant women are treated.

    "It's only a small percentage of women who ask for a C-section," said Cathy Warwick, chief executive of the Royal College of Midwives.

    Warwick said doctors and midwives regularly talk to women who have concerns about childbirth and after addressing their fears, most women agree to skip a planned C-section.

    "As long as it's safe for both mother and baby, a vaginal birth is absolutely the best way for anyone to deliver," said Dr. Daghni Rajasingham, an obstetrician and spokeswoman for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. She said the physical stress put on a baby's lungs during labor helps them adapt to breathing after being born.

    Rajasingham also said while C-sections are safe, the operation comes with risks including infections, bleeding, and the potential for problems with future pregnancies.

    "As an obstetrician working with limited resources, I want to make sure we have safe and high-quality health care for all women and not be skewed by a few women who want something specifically," Rajasingham said.

    For women like Hull, however, the policy shift is long overdue.

    "Women shouldn't think a C-section is going to be a walk in the park, but they should have all the information they need to help them make an informed choice," she said.

     
    • The Watchdog  •  Capitol Heights, United States  •  6 mths ago
      "Free" health care. Right. Nobody pays for it. What planet are they from?
    • L H  •  6 mths ago
      I have had to have both my boys delivered by C-section due to medical reasons and its no joke its scary and very painful. I would love to have been able to have had my kids the way it was intended ie labor pain and push but it wasn't an option for me. So for a woman to choose this boggles my mind.
    • Pazuzu  •  6 mths ago
      Kristina you are quite correct. In nurses tng I have seen both c-sections & vaginal births first hand and there is nothing enticing about this procedure, either actually. but as a rule if you break the skin barrier, especially in an infectious ripe environment of a hospital is no small consideration. An other rule of thumb, to be applied across the board, if you can avoid a hospital admittance, do!
    • Derek  •  St. Louis, United States  •  6 mths ago
      So "The Government provides free health care"

      I wonder how it is paid for?

      Derek
      • Infinite Jest 6 mths ago
        Taxes, though I'd point out that countries like Sweden, Canada, Belgium, Norway, Australia, etc. have higher standards of living than we do...
      • James 6 mths ago
        The tax payer is paying for all this. It's a myth to believe health care is free.
      • Robert 6 mths ago
        Doesn't look like it's really free. The article talks about "women who can't afford to pay private doctors for their baby's delivery" get a free procedure. But if they CAN afford it, well guess who gets to pay. This is just like the system we have here in the US. If you walk into an ER (which they can't turn you down) and receive medical services, and if you can't pay, no problem, the tax payers pay it. But if you are a responsible working person who tries to save a little money. BAM! They sock it to you with the bill. The system rewards irresponsibility.
    • Ella  •  6 mths ago
      I've never even been pregnant so I can't give any personal opinions on the matter, but I think I, a woman with plenty of sex education, needs to clarify something. A woman's vagina is a muscle. Yes, childbirth will stretch the muscle, but only temporarily. It will go back to it's "normal" size in time. Quite honestly, carrying a child to term will actually cause the muscles to relax and widen since a woman's body is preparing itself for childbirth. So even c-sections don't prevent some of the change. The skin around the opening, however, will be slightly changed permanently. That shouldn't have much if any impact on a sex life, though. The reason why a woman's vagina changes size is due to age. The older she gets, the more relaxed the muscles become. The great news is that kegel exercises will help maintain things and keep the muscle strong. So there. Quit commenting about women "staying tight" by getting c-sections.
    • catherine  •  6 mths ago
      "Midwives tend to overexaggerate the risks of C-sections." Absolutely FALSE. As a nurse, the risks of C sections cannot be stressed enough. Yes, there is a time when it is medically indicated, but make no mistake: it is a major surgery. It is painful and it can cause complications for both the mother and the baby.
      • Melissa 6 mths ago
        THANK YOU! - From another RN
      • Patrick Henry 6 mths ago
        What is the incidence of brain-injured babies from being trapped in the birth canal during vaginal deliveries versus elective c-sections, with little to no risk (assuming a well conducted spinal or epidural anesthetic) of the oxygen being cut off to the baby's brain from compression of the umbilical cord in the birth canal?

        One well-known academic, Harvard-trained Pediatric Surgeon told me that all of her cerebral palsy patients were from vaginal deliveries, NONE were from C-section deliveries.

        Babies are bigger when food availability improves; the moms are bigger, often obese, but the bones of the pelvis don't change with weight gain. The bony limits of the birth canal the limiting factor in vaginal delivery. Add this fact to the reality that the obese woman is likely sedentary and without as much physical capability to "push the baby out" than her more physically fit counterparts.

        Lastly, add the cost of care of the cerebral palsied vaginal births over a lifetime to the cost comparison between c-section and vaginal births, and you will realize that we are embracing a medieval concept of vaginal birth that is extremely expensive.
      • oops 6 mths ago
        @Patrick - #$%$ - The average size infant is still 7-7.5 pounds. The only thing getting bigger is a obese mom tyo be. CP is most common in premature infants and they are more likely to be c sections. An OB delivers children- they have no idea what the results are long term.
    • Kristina C  •  6 mths ago
      Too posh to push... what an appropriate statement.

      Having had this operation, I can say for a fact it's nothing to joke about. If you have an emergency situation fine, but if your labor is normal, you should push it out.
    • i  •  Fahlun, Sweden  •  6 mths ago
      There is no free healthcare there; high taxes pay for it.
      • i 6 mths ago
        Also, it is quite inefficient. You often don't get any true care because they don't know how to fix the problem or they care too little.
      • Old Broad 6 mths ago
        I, your full of it.
    • Mike  •  6 mths ago
      So "free" health care is equal, until some women paid private doctors to get the treatment they really wanted. If you want a c-section, that's your choice; just pay the $1280 difference yourself. If you're not willing to pay the difference, don't force taxpayers to do it for you.
    • phil  •  Beaverton, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Elective c-sections are so wrong! They could be dangerous to baby and they are major surgery for the mom.
    • kitty3  •  Philadelphia, United States  •  6 mths ago
      What woman would ever want an elective C-sec?? That's just plain nuts!! My first kid was breech and then I suffered a post-operative infection that left me almost too sick to take care of her. My second was a failed vaginal delivery because of a partial placental tear. My son ended up on IV antibiotics for the first two weeks of his life because the fluid was not squeezed out of his lungs and he aspirated blood. The placenta probably tore because of poor adhesion to my previous scar and if it had happened earlier in my pregnancy, he and I might have died. My third was a planned C-sec. I didn't want it but after what happened the first two times, I put my feelings aside for the safety of the baby. The third C-sec went much better but the recovery with two toddlers was hell. Anyone that wants an elective C-sec, come talk to me; I'll set you straight.
      • Valo 6 mths ago
        That's gross!
      • A Yahoo! User 6 mths ago
        That's why women "want" planned c-sections!!
      • IslandGirl 6 mths ago
        Not to mention that breast feeding is more difficult after c-section too!
    • Helorider  •  Houston, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Anyone wanting a C-section when it's not medically needed should be made to pay for it.
    • Graham S  •  6 mths ago
      As a male who is not a midwife nor a doctor I feel that the women who want "cosmetic" or "labour saving" C sections should be made to have a Tubal Ligation at the same time. This would reduce the number of purely elective procedures.
      • Carola 6 mths ago
        As a male you have no right to comment.
      • Annie 6 mths ago
        As a female, I agree with the male.
      • browneyedone 6 mths ago
        As another female, I agree with the female that agreed with the male.
    • nan  •  6 mths ago
      "Too posh to push?" Don't worry when you get far enough along in labor you body just takes over and pushes.
    • nan  •  6 mths ago
      Recovery from C-section is harder than a vaginal delivery. C-sections aren't pain free.
    • L K  •  6 mths ago
      Many years ago, women gave birth sitting up instead of lying on their backs. Gravity pulled the baby out, so pushing was unnecessary. It was the doctors idea for women to do it lying down, so the doctor could see what was happening. It is for the convenience of doctors.
    • Sunny1  •  Sun Prairie, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Women have been giving birth since creation time for the babies to grow up - and tax payers shouldn't have to pay for someone else giving birth...If it is necessary that is a whole different area by all means we want a life saved..but just cause she wants it... then she can pay for it.
    • ABCD  •  6 mths ago
      Recovery from a c-section vs vaginal delivery is much harder and longer. C-section babies are at higher risk for lung issues. Pushing the baby out actually squeezes out some of the lung fluid and is good for the baby. C-section babies are much prettier, not red and squishy looking, but that is not a good thing. Any good OB/GYN will tell you that a C-section is not something that should be done without a valid medical reason for mother or baby.
    • phoenix  •  Kaiserslautern, Germany  •  6 mths ago
      My first was an emergency c-section. I was thankfully able to have VBAC for my second and am glad I made that choice. A c-section is no walk in the park and the VBAC recovery was much better. I think part of the 'fear' women get from giving vaginal birth comes from the media and how they portray birth on TV. Not always, but there are portrayals out there where everything that can go wrong does. There is also a lack of education about how to make a vaginal birth a good experience. Then there are those mothers who love giving the horror story about their birth experience - how they were in labor for 50 hours, how the pain was horrendous and they could get no relief, how they tore from one end to the other and nothing has been the same since. Yes, some birth experiences can be traumatic, but a good medical team can reduce the mental trauma on the mother and there are exercises for down there, but many women don't do them.
    • Don  •  New York, United States  •  6 mths ago
      As a surgeon with a wife who is a physician assistant, we did everything to avoid c-section for our twins. Any woman who voluntarily undergoes a c-section without medical indication has either been poorly informed or is foolish. (if you want that c-section + tummy-tuck/abdominoplasty ... then great ... and pay for it)
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