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    Too wacky? Moving water from flood to drought

    WASHINGTON (AP) — As the soggy East tries to dry out from flooding and Texas prays for rain that doesn't come, you might ask: Isn't there some way to ship all that water from here to there?

    It's an idea that has tempted some, but reality gets in the way.

    A Texas oilman once envisioned long pipelines carrying water to drought-stricken Texas cities, just one of several untested fantasies of moving water vast distances. Parched Las Vegas still wants to indirectly siphon off excess water from the overflowing Mississippi River. French engineers have simulated hauling an iceberg to barren Africa. There are even mega-trash bags to move heavy loads of water.

    There's certainly plenty of rainwater available. Tropical Storm Lee dumped enough on the already saturated Mid-Atlantic, Northeast and Gulf Coast to bring 9.6 inches of rain across the entire state of Texas, according to calculations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and The Associated Press.

    "One man's flood control is another man's water supply," said Patricia Mulroy, general manager of the Southern Nevada Water Authority. "Doesn't it make you want to think about a larger distribution that helps both? That's the crazy part of this. It's a win-win. There's no loser."

    But moving vast quantities of water is not simple or cheap, and thus not realistic, experts say. Mostly, it's too costly and political.

    However, these dreamed-up concepts show that a quiet water crisis is getting more desperate.

    "We will go to any lengths to avoid confronting the reality of water shortages," said University of Arizona law professor Robert Glennon, author of the book "Unquenchable."

    "What all those zany ideas suggest are the traditional beliefs that we can control nature and there must be some oasis out there where we can go to, to import water."

    But those are mirages, he said — tempting, but not realistic.

    Mike Halpert, deputy director of the NOAA's Climate Prediction Center, knows the temptation. He's about to fly from Washington, which has had 7 inches since Monday, to Houston, which got about that amount of rain for the entire spring and summer. All that D.C. rain would be enough water for every person in Houston for 10 days.

    He jested that he would love to carry water in his suitcases. He said colleagues have been "joking that we'll send Texas our water. Will they send us their oil? But I don't think that's going to fly."

    The trouble with water is "there's enough quantity but it is not always in the right places," said G. Tracy Mehan, who was chief water regulator for the U.S. Environmental Protection Administration during the George W. Bush Administration.

    So how about moving it?

    "The short answer ... is that it costs too much. It's not a technical problem," said Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Studies Institute and a MacArthur genius grant recipient for his work on water.

    Las Vegas' grand proposal is to take water from the mighty Mississippi in a series of smaller pipeline-like exchanges among states just west of the Mississippi to refill the overused Colorado River. There are no official cost estimates, but it likely would be in the hundreds of billions dollars. Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens abandoned his plans for a massive water pipeline stretching across Texas to just moving water around the Texas Panhandle.

    Water weighs a lot — about 8.3 pounds per gallon — so moving massive amounts, often up mountains, costs a lot, Glennon said. Gleick notes that conservation and efficiency are cheaper.

    Building a pipeline to pump water from flooded areas is foolish because each year it is somewhere different that gets drenched, so you can't build something permanent based on a couple of years' unusual rainy weather, NOAA's Halpert said.

    For purely moving water, Gleick likes a smaller-scale concept: the trash bag. A California firm has designed Spragg Bags "with the world's strongest zippers" that haul millions of gallons of drinking water from one place to another over the ocean, said inventor Terry Spragg. It's been used in Greece.

    When asked the cost to haul excess water by bag from the flooded Northeast to Texas, Spragg declined to say. "It just wouldn't be practical. It's just too distant... Forget about taking it from New Jersey or Pennsylvania, there are sources that are closer."

    If you want to go high-tech for water, desalination — taking salt out of ocean water — and reusing wastewater for drinking water are cheaper and more realistic, said Gleick, author of the book "Bottled and Sold: The Story Behind Our Obsession with Bottled Water."

    In Big Spring, Texas, they are looking at reusing wastewater by treating it and then adding it to the fresh water supply. Orange County, Calif., has a state-of-the-art water recycling program. And on the International Space Station astronauts use a system that turns their urine into drinkable water. Tampa has a new $158 million water desalination plant that can produce as much as 25 million gallons of water a day from the sea.

    While those who need more water say the challenge is just a matter of balancing out too much and too little, other experts say there is a bigger problem: 1 billion people on Earth don't have clean drinking water.

    "Absolutely there's a water crisis, but it means different things in different places," Gleick said. "In Africa, it's people dying because they don't have safe drinking water. In Texas, it means people at risk and property being damaged because there's a natural drought. In some places, it might mean not enough water to make semiconductors and grow food.

    "Nature always distributes water unevenly — that's just the way it goes," Gleick said.

    In the 20th century in the United States, the answer to water shortages was to drill another well, tap another aquifer, build more dams, divert more rivers and build pipelines, Gleick said. But now "we're running into limits."

    Politics is almost as big a barrier as price. Legal battles over water run rampant in U.S. history, especially out West. But now they have gone nationwide, along with shortages. North Carolina has sued South Carolina, Florida has sued Georgia and Alabama, and the Great Lakes states have banded together to fend off water diversions, Glennon said. The Great Lakes region has been in and out of court over water rights for about a century.

    "People are concerned about water rights. Even in eastern water-rich states, you don't want to be giving it away," said Robert Holmes, who deals with the problem of too much water. He is the national flood hazard coordinator for the U.S. Geological Survey.

    University of Colorado natural hazards professor Kathleen Tierney put it more bluntly: "As we say in Colorado, whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting over."

    ___

    Online:

    Peter Gleick: http://www.pacinst.org/about_us/staff_board/gleick/

    Robert Glennon: http://rglennon.com/books/unquenchable/

    Southern Nevada Water Authority: http://www.snwa.com/

    Spragg Bags: http://www.waterbag.com/

     

    465 comments

    • Evan S  •  5 mths ago
      They can't. See California Water Wars. Call it a "cautionary tale".
    • John D.  •  5 mths ago
      Where does Fracking fit in all this?
    • judgealan  •  5 mths ago
      imagine the steppe of Kazakstan the size of the entire USA being flooded with diverted siberian rivers in a great water project
      if your gonna think big THINK OVER THE TOP OUT OF THE BOX BIG
      now just where can i get 100 billion tons of concrete to do this job?
    • Pam  •  5 mths ago
      Cell Phones, Satellite, GPS were all once untested fantasies

      If our weather continues in this pattern it would be the most innovative solution
    • Mamma Mia  •  5 mths ago
      One day someone is going to come up with a very simple solution to this problem, that's been staring us in the face all along. Then everyone will be saying "Now, why didn't I think of that?" Isn't that usually how it works? Just hope they come up with that great idea soon.
    • Bob  •  5 mths ago
      Why not? A network of pipelines could be built and is nowhere near the most ambitious project that has actually been executed in this country. What should be done is to get the insurance companies onboard as partners, once the understand that this would be much cheaper for them than the claims in lost crops, fire damage, flood damage where the water is and needs to be removed. A pipeline can move water more than one direction, so it could be available in all situations and can be controlled to share the volume of available water between more than one parched area. This year alone, the savings for the entire nation would have offset the cost.
    • GEOGENE  •  5 mths ago
      All these water supply fixes employ Roman Empire technology. Granted the Romans did better than we do. There is a simple cost effective way to distribute water, but it requires thinking in a new way. Society generally does not like or reward innovation. I know, I tried, but the low I. Q.'s, greedy corporations, and the government got in the way.
    • Leeroy  •  5 mths ago
      Almost 100 years ago the City of Los Angeles was in dire need of water. William Mulholland's aqueduct project brought in much-needed water for growing the infrastructure of the LA basin. It also parched the Owens Valley where the water came from, and dried up Owens Lake. Keep in mind that parched Texas, or wherever, sees the "abundant" water in the Mississippi River or Great Lakes........ but then those regions can be hit by drought too and what if the demands of any proposed water transfer projects just end up taking too much water? What then? Who will control how much water is moved and more importantly, how will we then control the tendency in the newly-supplied areas to outgrow their water supply yet again? Los Angeles is a prime example of this: they have to import even more water to the detriment of surrounding regions. That whole area is on a tightrope now, and they are unable or unwilling to desalinate seawater.
    • Two Cents  •  5 mths ago
      Someday technology will enable this, but not in this century. We have too much physics to learn yet.
    • Renee  •  5 mths ago
      No good. Need more rain river and lake. How people thirsty drink clear water. I have no idea.
    • ken  •  5 mths ago
      Nothing but a pipe dream!!!
    • El Chupacabra  •  5 mths ago
      doesn't LA get most of its water from the Colorado River???
    • OldGuy  •  5 mths ago
      Some day the Martians will point a telescope at Earth and wonder "Are those canals?" Yes, I think those are canals on Earth! There must have once been life there!"
    • QQ  •  5 mths ago
      Transporters!
    • almostnuts  •  5 mths ago
      this is silly, ever reason has been given not to do something that would benefit every citizen of the nation. we do not waste water and we need more of it. at this time with all the unemployed it would be a great time to institute water works across the states provided the states desire to have such a project.
    • Thomas and Linda  •  5 mths ago
      ok people, WPA work projects, put Americans to work, they built the Panama canal, and Hoover Dam, and all that stuff in Tennessee, just go from the Mississippi to Texas and smaller ones to the Mississippi. It can be done, we need to get off our welfare butts and do it
    • vldazzle  •  5 mths ago
      The variety of comments here make it perfectly clear why this will never be done. I don't even drink or make ice with city water, even though it is "safe". I also don't buy overpriced bottled water-just purified water with multistage treatments in addition to the city water. I have to drive to fill 10 gallons every 2 weeks.
    • Sean  •  5 mths ago
      If this was oil, it would have already been done.
    • The Major  •  5 mths ago
      The technical problems with move-ing water, have solutions. Put the un-employed to work, digging canals, to provide a path, for the excess water. Take the billions, from Pakistan, and use that money, to put our people to work. Instead of bailing out the banks and insurance folk, run by million dollar salary CEOs, use that money, for the digging of canals.
    • Neutron Solstice  •  5 mths ago
      you can move water up a hill with wind power
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