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    Top Israeli rabbi: Segregated buses not Jewish law

    JERUSALEM (AP) โ€” One of Israel's chief rabbis ventured into the divisive question of gender segregation on Monday, saying separate seating for men and women on buses and similar practices adopted by some devout Jews are not required by Jewish law.

    Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar spoke after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was quoted by Israeli media as expressing shock over the segregated buses and other practices of radicalized religious activists.

    In an interview with the ultra-Orthodox Kol Brama radio station, Amar was critical of these relatively new and controversial practices.

    "People who do it do it for their own sakes," he said of the segregated buses. "Certain people want to delineate a fence, perhaps because they saw a need for it. But it's not Jewish law."

    Radical activists have segregated buses, cowed advertisers into removing images of women from posters on the streets of cities with large ultra-Orthodox Jewish populations, shunted women onto separate sidewalks and walked out of military events where women have sung. Some women have taken to dressing head-to-toe, in the fashion of Islamist fundamentalists, a practice that Amar also said was elective.

    These ultra-devout are on a campaign to keep secular values from breaching the walls of their insular community. But Israel's secular majority is aghast at what they call on assault on the country's human rights.

    Amar is the spiritual leader of Jews of Sephardic โ€” or Middle Eastern and North African โ€” descent. Israel has a second chief rabbi who serves the Ashkenazi, or European-descended Jewish population.

    With his comments, he became the most senior religious leader to step into an contentious debate over the nature of Israeli society, where ultra-Orthodox extremists have increasingly tried to impose their values on mainstream society. Ultra-Orthodox make up some 9 percent of Israel's 5.9 million-strong Jewish population, which is overwhelmingly secular.

    Clinton caused a furor in some circles over remarks she reportedly made in a closed-door session over the weekend expressing concerns over Israel's democracy. According to Israeli media, Clinton was also appalled by the segregation of women by some elements in the ultra-Orthodox community.

    Israel's Supreme Court has outlawed gender segregation on buses and sidewalks, but some transit routes and public spaces remain segregated in practice.

    Amar said Clinton's knowledge of the situation was incomplete.

    "If she were to learn from the right people ... she would know that the people of Israel respect women and turn them into veritable queens and princesses," he said.

     
     
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    211 comments

    • Joseph  •  Lodz, Poland  •  3 mths ago
      And why are we supporting this people again?
    • politico  •  3 mths ago
      I know many Jewish American Princesses.
    • LNH  •  3 mths ago
      There are fanatical religious sects in all faiths...You Christians are not exempt. All religion is absolute fallacy/rediculousness/garbage. There is no difference between your faith and fairy tales. The sooner humans realize this, the sooner the world can move into a harmonious state.
    • REALITY CHECK  •  3 mths ago
      madam hillary does it again. I wonder if she was referring to her husband when she talked about using women.
    • Ron  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  5 mths ago
      As far as the actual news-story goes, many of us in the Jewish community agree with Secretary Clinton. We are concerned about the excesses of some very orthodox members of our community. This is where the Israeli nation needs to make real choices about who and what they are and want to be. I hope the majority, as Rabbi Amar has, come down on the side of civil rights and respect.
      • Banana Kiwi 5 mths ago
        Amen.
      • janice 5 mths ago
        Yes, but many of the Orthodox disagree.
        It is, not important.
        Why the hell is sjhe telling Israeli Jews how to live their lives???
      • Esteban 5 mths ago
        Well, Janice - maybe it's the GAZILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS THE US SHOVELS AT THE RACIST APARTHEID FILTHSTATE EVERY YEAR. Hitlery Klinton thinks racism and war-mongering are OK, but you gotta let women drive in Saudi Arabia and you gotta have sex-desegregated buses in Israel. Got that?
    • MarcelD  •  5 mths ago
      I just wonder...
      Have they ever asked these woman if that's the way they want to be treated?
    • Joel  •  5 mths ago
      I'm Jewish and know darn well that the ultra orthodox Jews are just as screwey as any other fanatics in any religion.
      • Foodie 5 mths ago
        Not nearly. You seem to be a self hating Jew. See a shrink.
      • Ranondo 5 mths ago
        how is that being a self-hating Jew most Israeli don't like these #$%$ bags and i'm a sephardic jew
      • Joel 5 mths ago
        Foodie: I'm definately NOT a"self-hating Jew" as you so stupidly put it. Everyone who knows me and my work are very well aware of my Jewish roots. I am involved in American Jewish organizations and culture. Whenever I performed free medical care for my patients who could not afford to come into the office, I always let them know that it was because I am Jewish and we are supposed to do good things in this world. I probably have made more friends for our faith and culture than you could ever dream about. But, I also do NOT excuse the fanatics in our religion for doing things that perhaps were OK thousands of years ago, but not now. That's the excuse the other religion's nutjobs use all the time. It's NOT acceptable.
    • MarcelD  •  5 mths ago
      "If she were to learn from the right people ... she would know that the people of Israel respect women and turn them into veritable queens and princesses,"

      Queens and princesses that are already entombed during their lives that is.
    • william  •  Charlotte, United States  •  5 mths ago
      What makes this clown think that all Israeli women want to be treated like queens and princesses? How about respected as equal members contributing to society? The outright sexual discrimination practiced by the radical elements found in every religion is a perversion of the true teachings of their religion.
      • LearnedHand 5 mths ago
        I think that was kind of a tongue in the cheek remark, alluding to the "Jewish Princess" label that gets bounced around and the "jewish mother" of jokes. I might point out that Israel had a female president very early in its history and we here in the USA haven't managed to elect one yet and we're over 200 years old. Pakistan, a Muslim country, India a majority Hindu nation, and most other nations on earth have had female leaders - but not here, where we fancy ourselves so much better than everyone else.
      • Alex 5 mths ago
        Are you seriously trying to start #$%$ over the fact that he said princesses and queens? I mean, I knew as soon as I read it that someone was going to complain, but come on. Clearly that was not meant in any way to be offensive, and he was most likely over-defending their respect for woman because his country's morals were being attacked. It's called chivalry. Don't be a douche bag, don't be so politically correct that treating a woman like a princess is a bad thing. If someone said "we treat our men like kings," I wound't be offended or appalled. I'd probably move there.
    • Apple  •  Stockholm, Sweden  •  5 mths ago
      All religions are nuts!
      • roy 5 mths ago
        Salomi: Anonymous you are obviously a person that hates or is jealous of Jews. The Jews are the ones that you and your ilk constantly exterminate. While the tiny nation of Israel accepts all religions.
      • Chris 5 mths ago
        As an iranian, i just wnat ot say, HOW DARE YOU SIR!

        no im just kidding. YES, TNEY ARE ALL LUNATICS
      • reaper 5 mths ago
        Hey Ben your racism and hate is showing again.
    • RobertP  •  Bridgeport, United States  •  5 mths ago
      This is all starting to look familiar. Seems like Sharia Law to me, but these are supposed to be Jews. What's up with all this foolishness? Can't look at a woman; can't have women on posters; can't ride on the bus with a woman. What are they promoting? Homosexuality?????
      • curious 5 mths ago
        in case you didn;t get it, these are less than 10%, who were always very strict religiously. STill even they, do nto treat women like sheep, but like queens and princesses, but thsi means being different, which leads to some special treatment. It is nto like HSaria law, nor like treatment of Muslim women, where they ahve no rights at all. Jewish women can vote, drive, do anything by law. Jewish law is nto SHaria law for these reasons and more...
      • DrMallard 5 mths ago
        Homosexuality is one thing they're NOT promoting. Unfortunately. On the contrary, they have MORE kids than other Jews in Israel, and yet a lot of them are on welfare claiming to be religious scholars - at taxpayer expense, in a country with some of the highest taxes on the planet. No wonder a lot of Israelis have voted with their feet.
    • my_2_cents_4u  •  5 mths ago
      if the Middle East had no oil no one would care one farthing about it.
    • agy  •  5 mths ago
      Haredim are not representative of Israeli society. The same with the Rabanut. Both need a handout..... The reason I left.
    • Scotty  •  Texarkana, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Ultra Orthodox Jews vs. Hezbollah, Wrestlemania 49. Throwdown.
    • Ryan  •  5 mths ago
      "If she were to learn from the right people ... she would know that the people of Israel respect women and turn them into veritable queens and princesses,"

      Isn't that exactly what the "Orthodox" Muslims say about their women(except for the Iranians who don't disregard the contributions of their educated women. The majority of university grads in Iran are women.)

      Thankfully this super-orthodoxy doesn't infect the majority of Israelis. If it did, supporting Israel would be a mistake. The recent campaign to demean American Jews as not being fit marriage partners shows clearly how much division this intolerant 9% can cause.
    • Sarah C  •  5 mths ago
      A cage is no less a cage just because it is covered in gold.
    • Harry C  •  Chatsworth, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I wonder if there are any ultra-orthodox animists. I wonder, also, if they have any so-called "holy books" written by men to control people's behavior and gain power. I bet that animists have never imposed their beliefs on non-animists or regarded them as "infidels". I think I'm going to go on Craig's list or Facebook to look for some animists and hang out with them.
    • ini zvangu  •  Windhoek, Namibia  •  5 mths ago
      Makes me think that Judaism and Islam are just variations of the same thing.
    • Juancito Trucupey  •  5 mths ago
      I have no problem with the "segregation of women" by Jews, Muslims, and Christians -AS LONG- it is freely chosen by the women and not imposed upon them by men.
      In other words, if you freely choose to wear a funny black hat with curls on the side, cover your self in black from head to toe. Or wear a pointy white hat and calle your self โ€œel papaโ€โ€ฆit is fine with me. But be careful if you try to impose those things upon me!

      -comprende las palabras del que murio en la cruz
    • Harry C  •  Chatsworth, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Are there ultra-Orthodox animists? Do they have "Holy Books"?
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