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    Top Marine says service embracing gay ban repeal

    MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) — Since the lifting two months ago of a longstanding U.S. ban on gays serving openly in the military, U.S. Marines across the globe have adapted smoothly and embraced the change, says their top officer, Gen. James F. Amos, who previously had argued against repealing the ban during wartime.

    "I'm very pleased with how it has gone," Amos said in an Associated Press interview during a week-long trip that included four days in Afghanistan, where he held more than a dozen town hall-style meetings with Marines of virtually every rank. He was asked about a wide range of issues, from his view of the Marine Corps' future to more mundane matters such as why he recently decided to stop allowing Marines to wear their uniform with the sleeves rolled up.

    Not once was he asked in Afghanistan about the repeal of the gay ban.

    Nor did it come up when he fielded questions from Marines on board the USS Bataan warship in the Gulf of Aden on Saturday. On his final stop, in Bahrain on Sunday, one Marine broached the topic gently. He asked Amos whether he planned to change the Marines' current policy of leaving it to the discretion of local commanders to determine how to handle complaints about derogatory "homosexual remarks or actions." Amos said no.

    The apparent absence of angst about gays serving openly in the Marines seemed to confirm Amos' view that the change has been taken in stride, without hurting the war effort.

    In the AP interview, he offered an anecdote to make his point. He said that at the annual ball in Washington earlier this month celebrating the birth of the Marine Corps, a female Marine approached Amos's wife, Bonnie, and introduced herself and her lesbian partner.

    "Bonnie just looked at them and said, 'Happy birthday ball. This is great. Nice to meet you,'" Amos said. "That is happening throughout the Marine Corps."

    Amos said he is aware of only one reported incident in Afghanistan thus far, and that turned out to be a false alarm. He said a blogger had written of a gay Marine being harassed by fellow Marines for his sexual orientation. In an ensuing investigation, the gay Marine denied he had been harassed.

    A Defense Department spokeswoman, Cynthia O. Smith, said implementation of the repeal of the gay ban is proceeding smoothly across the military.

    "We attribute this success to our comprehensive pre-repeal training program, combined with the continued close monitoring and enforcement of standards by our military leaders at all levels," Smith said.

    In the months leading up to Congress's repeal, which took effect in September, there were indications that the change might not be embraced so readily.

    During a visit to a Marine combat outpost in southern Afghanistan in June, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates was confronted by an enlisted Marine who clearly objected to the repeal. He told Gates that the Marine Corps has "a set of standards and values that is better than that of the civilian sector," and that repeal of the gay ban has "changed those values."

    He asked Gates whether Marines who object to serving with gays would be allowed to opt out of their enlistment. Gates said no and predicted that if pre-repeal training was done right, "nothing will change" with regard to rules of behavior and discipline.

    That Marine was not alone in making known his doubts about the wisdom of allowing gays to serve openly in uniform. In a survey of military members last year, 45 percent of Marines viewed repeal negatively in terms of how it could affect combat readiness, effectiveness and cohesion. Among those Marines who serve in combat roles, 56 percent expressed that view.

    It was those statistics that caused Amos concern prior to repeal, and he made known his position in no uncertain terms when he testified to Congress last December.

    "Successfully implementing repeal and assimilating openly homosexual Marines into the tightly woven fabric of our combat units has strong potential for disruption at the small unit level as it will no doubt divert leadership attention away from an almost singular focus on preparing units for combat," Amos said at the time. He stressed then and later that if repeal were approved, Marines would faithfully follow the new law.

    Looking back, Amos said in the AP interview that he had no regrets about publicly opposing repeal during wartime. He said he was obliged, as the commandant of the Marines, to set aside his personal opinions and represent the views of those combat Marines who told the survey "pretty unequivocally" that repeal was problematic.

    "I think I did exactly what I should have done," he said.

    ___

    Robert Burns can be reached on Twitter at http://twitter.com/robertburnsAP

     
    • honor 4 69  •  Southfield, United States  •  6 mths ago
      As long as the service member does their job...who cares? When the fertilizer hits the ventilator, everyone shoots at the same target
      • OpenMinded 5 mths ago
        Way to bring LOGIC to the table, Honor! *g*
    • Seabound  •  6 mths ago
      "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" replaced with "Don't Care" HouRah!
      • GG 6 mths ago
        Not certain what your take on it is from your comment, but I would judge it to be a positive change.
    • Hollywood Hills  •  Studio City, United States  •  6 mths ago
      SEMPER FI Marines! You are the best! Male, Female, Gay, and Straight... thank you for your service!
      • Robert B 6 mths ago
        Thanks, Hollywood Hills. I was a Marine, a war veteran and heterosexual. There were a couple of gay men in my unit, and they were just as tough as everybody else. Didn't make a #$%$ bit of difference. The President and General Amos are absolutely right. Goldwater, too. DADT has always been a stupid policy.
      • felder 6 mths ago
        i agree. my son is a proud Marine, my dad was a proud Marine. they were MARINES, first and foremost. period.
    • Mikkel  •  San Antonio, United States  •  6 mths ago
      I would be surprised if most of the people in the units didn't already know who was gay. Therefore, there was probably little effect of the repeal. Maybe some of those who took the initial survey thought there would be all of these "surprising" reveals about secret crushes, but I bet they really already knew who was straight and who wasn't.
      • GG 6 mths ago
        There is no reason to believe that gay military personnel couldn't handle their "secret crushes" in a professional military manner just as they would need to when serving in a mixed gender military. My guess is that there could very well have been surprises. Plenty of gay men and women behave very much like straight men and women. The stereotypical gay is just that - a stereotype. But, so what? The purpose for men and women to be in the military has nothing to do with their sexual orientation any more than it has to do with their gender. They have a job to do and the rest is secondary while they are on the job.
      • Ralph 6 mths ago
        The survey that was taken did indeed show that many had strong guesses who were gay and there were no problems.
    • lost  •  6 mths ago
      I served in the Corps with a couple of Marines that we all thought were gay. We just did our jobs and still learned to depend on each other. To say gays will not get picked on is crazy. Everyone in the Marine Corps gets picked on. Regardless of race, color, creed or sexual orientation.
      • augie 6 mths ago
        Former Marine here- good post, Jimbo. What kills people is that this hasn't become an issue with Servicemembers as the homophobes wanted it to.
      • Chief568 6 mths ago
        Sure it has Augie...it's just that the Marines are not talking...they are waiting until they have done their time...then they are NOT going to reenlist.

        Keep watching...in about 6 years we are going to be SERIOUSLY undermanned.
      • grobpilot 6 mths ago
        At one time or another, everyone in every service gets picked on. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes not. The big difference here is, as soon as a gay or lesbian gets picked on, no matter the reason, it will be automatically assumed it's because he or she (or he/she) is gay, even though it may have nothing to do with that. A gay person may be a poor performer and gets a bad evaluation. What's to stop that person from crying discrimination and claiming the bad evaluation is a result of a homophobic supervisor? This precedent is not going to end well for the military or the country.
    • Eric  •  Portland, United States  •  6 mths ago
      When I was in the Marines, we had a Navy corpsman who was gay as a goose. We used to call him the "Tooth Fairy". He loved it. We had a standing rule for any new guys who joined the unit....nobody hassles this guy. He was our first, and sometimes, only source of medical treatment, for everything from athletes foot to gunshot wounds. He was damned good at what he did and a lot of men are alive today because of him.
    • OpenMinded  •  6 mths ago
      For all those paranoid folks who seem to think that the military will now be boinking like rabbits, i felt it prudent to mention a teeny little fact. Seeing as sexual activity on base and/or on duty is strictly forbidden for ALL servicemen and women, i am rather puzzled why you think said servicemen and women would suddenly dissolve in a heap of phereomone-induced frenzy. Perhaps this is some odd fantasy that you dreamed up...

      Unlike ye of little faith,i KNOW that our military is comprised of PROFESSIONALS. They hold themselves to a higher standard. They DEFEND your right to spout such ridiculous and bigoted and hateful comments even though they may die on foreign soil thousands of miles away from their homes and families and loved ones.

      Not that you care.
    • m.morris80  •  6 mths ago
      So we can finally move on? Can the "candidates" shut up about reinstating DADT now? Can jobs and the economy take priority? Can we actually see some plans?

      Or is it STILL a "bad time" to remove it, EVEN though the overwhelming majority of civilians and service members SIMPLY DON'T CARE?
    • DoSomething  •  Spartanburg, United States  •  6 mths ago
      The entire thought that the military could not handle this is stupid. I've been around the military since birth, born in Norfolk, raised on bases in Virginia, Cuba, California, the Philippines, Okinawa, and served in the Army for almost 10 years in even more locations, the gays have been in the military the entire time. Only civilians and politicians would believe that gays had not been serving, openly--no, but serving. In history books, this will will be nothing more than a footnote(yes, important to gay people), nothing can stop our fighting men and women, and the proud tradition that they are a part of. I'm just greatful that every one of them are willing to stand in harms way to protect this country.
    • Jonathan  •  Mayfield, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Well I was in the Air Force and discharged with a Honorable Discharge and never once had any issues from anyone that I served with. The military is a very unique entity. Things that go on out here and the way things are handled are so much different than the way they are done in the service. Rules apply and they can be strict within the service, but there is a level of teamwork that you do not see everywhere, you tend to depend on your fellow servicemen and women and as long as you are doing your part things seem to go really well. This is a great country and I for one am extremely proud of the time I spent with the Air Force and that is I believe what most enlist for into any branch of service is because we are proud, and willing to do what needs to be done in both peace and war times and we are also extremely proud to be a part of the greatest country in this world. Good luck to all current and former military personnel. Have a blessed Holiday Season and be safe and finally Thanks for your service.
    • Herb  •  6 mths ago
      To all Military service personel, thank you for your service. You are the best that this Country offers and I want to personally thank you for the job that you do and the sacrifices that you make.
    • 7461  •  Oxford, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Love thy Brother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • A Yahoo! user  •  6 mths ago
      Just maybe it doesn't come up that much? Those of us in the civilian world do work with gays, some known to us, some unknown. It doesn't matter when doing the job. Professionals know how to do their work well.
    • George  •  Houston, United States  •  6 mths ago
      A real Marine will never leave his buddies behind.
    • Dr. HM Giao  •  San Juan, United States  •  6 mths ago
      As a USMC combat vet in Viet Nam (III MAF, I Corps) I have to advise that during my career we never had problems with a gay guys. It was no big deal. Same thing with ethnic minorities. The Corps had some bigots and racists but they kept largely to themselves.

      If you ask active duty troops now you will find a slightly higher degree of tolerance of race and sexual orientation because the issue is right there in the open, not something hidden and mysterious that consequentially seems to scare a great many civiliians.

      Actually the only time I felt really harassed and made to feel uncomfortable was on those occasions in the barracks when I was accosted by teams of eager young Marines who demanded to know if I had been born again.
    • Stephen  •  6 mths ago
      I am not a homosexual. I am I tri- (not even bi) sexual. I would try anything.
      Seriously, homosexuals have been a part of every military in history. Even though I am the father of two good sons, and have expressed my preference in life, I can not see the point in picking on each other over such small issues of sexual adventures.
    • ElaineK  •  Hartford, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I thought that it was obvious that the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal would have little to no effect. The men are around each other 24/7 in their units, so they get to learn about each other’s hometown, family friends, and spouse back home. So I would be surprised if they didn’t know who was already gay. There have been many wars throughout history and it is ignorant to think there were absolutely no gay people serving back then. Being in the military is a job, they get paid like we do and if they don’t do their job, they will also get fired. I doubt that the gay men will jeopardize their job by having sex with each other now that it is okay to be gay. If a person volunteers to put their life on the line for those who are sitting safely at home, I don't think their sexual orientation is a big issue. Not all gay men are attracted to every single gay man. Just how every straight man is not attracted to all straight women. They are all there for the sole purpose of serving their country and it will stay that way. Most of the people who had a problem with this were the Republicans who thought that it would destroy the military and cause problems. They said this right when the Don’t ask don’t tell was repealed. Most of them have never served so they don’t know the situation, just making assumptions.
    • Kirk S  •  Phoenix, United States  •  5 mths ago
      As a former Marine I am in agreement with those Marines and the Commandant. HOWEVER. Marines obey the lawful orders of their superiors. That includes the Commandant. FURTHERMORE, the strength of the Corps is our ability to adapt. It is the law of the Land and of the Corps. THEREFORE, the Marine Corps, from the lowest ranking private to the Commandant WILL ADAPT and implement lawful orders to bring online those Marines who have homosexual preference. They are our brothers and sisters. Furthermore, and this should make it clear, bullets don't give a #$%$ what your orientation is.Marines WILL PROTECT all Marines. This means if there are any issues regarding this, the Code of Conduct and the lawful orders all up through the chain of command will be addressed and adhered to. The Corps is family and as a family we will solve all issues and problems. It #$%$ sure won't be easy, BUT IT WILL BE DONE.And the United States Marine Corps will prevail as we have always done.OORAH! Semper Fi!
    • Davenport  •  Augusta, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Not sure I would have used the term "embrace".
    • LH  •  6 mths ago
      I wouldn't say that they are 'embracing it' - I'd say they are following orders.
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