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    UK government minister slams 'militant secularism'

    LONDON (AP) — When it comes to religion, British politicians tend to heed the famous advice of Tony Blair's spin doctor, Alastair Campbell — "We don't do God." In contrast to the United States, the deity is rarely invoked on the campaign trail or in political speeches.

    But a Muslim Cabinet minister has become the latest member of Prime Minister David Cameron's government to urge the country to embrace its Christian heritage. Sayeeda Warsi also said that "militant" secularism poses a threat to Europe, a comment that has angered atheists and highlighted the divisive political potential of religion.

    Her views will strike a chord with some religious Britons who feel threatened by growing secularization and by recent anti-discrimination cases, including one that saw Christian hoteliers fined for refusing to allow a gay couple to stay in a double room.

    In an article published Tuesday in the Daily Telegraph newspaper, Warsi urged Europe "to become more confident in its Christianity."

    "You cannot and should not extract (the) Christian foundations from the evolution of our nations any more than you can or should erase the spires from our landscapes," she wrote.

    "My fear today is that a militant secularization is taking hold of our societies," she added, accusing some atheists of having the same intolerant instincts as authoritarian regimes.

    Warsi, a prominent member of Cameron's Conservative Party, is leading a delegation of British government ministers to the Vatican, where they are due to meet Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday.

    In a speech in Rome, Warsi said that "too often there is a suspicion of faith in our continent." She said in Britain religion has been "sidelined, marginalized and downgraded" and "faith is looked down on as the hobby of 'oddities, foreigners and minorities.'"

    Warsi's words echo comments by the pope, who visited Britain in 2010 and warned of the spread of "aggressive forms" of secularism.

    The Vatican appeared to approve of Warsi's speech. In a break with the usual protocol, it emailed the text to correspondents in Rome.

    But Evan Harris, a former Liberal Democrat lawmaker and vice president of the British Humanist Association, said Warsi's talk of militant secularism was "self-serving paranoia."

    "There is nothing militant about calling for an end to blasphemy and apostasy laws or wanting religious persecution of women and gay people to end," he said.

    "Secular liberal democracy, which involves the separation of church and state and an end to religious privilege, is the best guarantor of religious liberty and free expression."

    Secularists object to state funding for faith schools, whose numbers have increased under recent governments. There are state-funded Jewish, Muslim, Hindu and Sikh schools, as well as thousands of Church of England and Roman Catholic schools. All follow the same curriculum as non-faith schools, but can teach their own views in religious studies classes.

    While American political candidates often talk openly, even boastfully, about the role religion plays in their lives, British politicians usually avoid deep professions of faith.

    Tony Blair, prime minister between 1997 and 2007, is a committed Christian, but rarely spoke about his religion while in office, and waited until he left power to convert from Anglicanism to Roman Catholicism.

    Prime Minister David Cameron has said his experience of Christian faith is like the signal on a faulty radio: "It sort of comes and goes."

    His deputy, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, is an atheist, as is Ed Miliband, leader of the main opposition Labour Party.

    In the U.S., the Republican presidential candidates currently battling for their party's nomination routinely emphasize their religious credentials while accusing President Barack Obama of taking anti-religious stances.

    Newt Gingrich recently accused Obama of "waging war on religion" while Rick Santorum said the president's policies were challenging America's traditional freedom of religion.

    In Britain, God is rarely considered a vote winner — though comments by Warsi and others suggest that might be changing.

    Cameron recently urged the Church of England to lead a revival of traditional Christian values to counter the "slow-motion moral collapse" that led to the August riots in England.

    This week Communities Secretary Eric Pickles condemned a High Court ruling that a town council in southwest England must stop holding prayers at the start of meetings.

    "We are a Christian country," Pickles said.

    Traditionally, that is true. The Church of England is the country's established church, with Queen Elizabeth II as its temporal head. Bishops help make laws as members of the House of Lords.

    In the 2001 census — the last for which full results are available — just under 72 percent of people identified themselves as Christian. But most Britons are not regular churchgoers, and many see Christianity as a loose cultural identity rather than a strong faith.

    Steven Fielding, a professor of politics at the University of Nottingham, said praising religion fitted with the moderate Cameron's vision of a "Big Society" in which charities and community groups will take over some functions of the state.

    "It's also a useful issue to indicate to his backbenchers and those out there in Daily Telegraph-land" — readers of the conservative newspaper — "who question whether he is a true conservative," Fielding said.

    But Fielding said religion was unlikely to reach U.S. levels of political importance in Britain.

    "I think people like to think their leaders have got, in the same way they have, a vague belief in God, that they go to church occasionally," Fielding said. "But it's potentially a divisive and dangerous issue if it's taken to anything other than talking in generalities."

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    Associated Press writers Gregory Katz in London and Nicole Winfield in Rome contributed to this report.

     

    30 comments

    • Marillion  •  3 mths ago
      Ironic that a Muslim would say this. As their intolerant religious ways pose a bigger threat than "militant secularism".
      • Robert G. Ingersoll 3 mths ago
        @Marillion

        You are so right...

        Her Islamic indoctrination runs so deep that she cannot see that a secular democracy is the only guarantor of her ability to even be a Cabinet Minister.
    • Gabriela  •  Bucharest, Romania  •  3 mths ago
      In the EU Lisbon Treaty were not mentioned Europe's Christian roots???!!!, in the name of "positive discrimination" and not to "disturb" packs of immigrants and especially of their "sensitivity" .It is time for us Europeans and especially political leaders of the 27 EU countries aware of the danger of muslim intolerance.And we know well this, because we have in Europe a little muslim majority state named Albania =who is as well as member NATO!!!!! and 2 two former Yugoslav provinces,Bosnia with one-third of the inhabitants muslim and Kosovo. Honor to the EU countries who have not recognized Kosovo muslim sting:CYPRUS, GREECE, ROMANIA, SLOVAKIA and SPAIN.
      • ArindamB 3 mths ago
        What about Europe's pagan roots? Did Zeus, Taranis and Thor get a mention in the Lisbon treaty?
      • Gabriela 3 mths ago
        Anyway it is the failure of multiculturalism imposed , which tried to gypsies, muslims, africans etc. be integrated in European societies.
    • RAPTOR  •  3 mths ago
      Although I agree that secularism is leading to moral collapse, the muslim forgot to mention that they want more religious tolerance just so they can push their sharia law on Europe. These vermin can't be trusted.
      • real truth 3 mths ago
        Right,exactly like American Christians in this country.
        Christians are trying to push their own version of their religious dogmas and beliefs on everyone else that isn't a Christian.
        What's the difference?

        Religion has lead the way to moral collapse,and has been for thousands of years.
        It broke everything,and now it needs to be fixed,and they don't have the tools or knowledge to fix it.
        Why? Because they're stuck in the Bronze Age.
      • Marillion 3 mths ago
        The difference is the modern American nation was founded on Christian values. After they conquered the Indians and kicked the British out.

        These Muslims immigrant groups in Europe feel we must change to accomodate them yet they (Muslims) have no intention of changing their medieval ways in Christian Europe that has extended their hand too far.
      • real truth 3 mths ago
        "The difference is the modern American nation was founded on Christian values."

        No it wasn't. It founded during the Age of Enlightenment and is based on logic and reason and common sense,three things religion doesn't have.
        ----
        "After they conquered the Indians and kicked the British out."

        'Conquered' the Indians? First,they're not 'Indians',and second they were slaughtered and not conquered. And they used Christianity to justify it. Can you guess how?
        Third,we kicked the British out for a few reasons,and one main one was because they wanted to rule by religious beliefs....a theocracy...which we broke away from.
        Freedom to practice or not practice any particular religion is what it was about.
        A free country not run or influenced by religious dogmas,in order to prevent repeating history.
        Get it?
        ------
        "These Muslims immigrant groups in Europe feel we must change to accomodate them yet they (Muslims) have no intention of changing their medieval ways in Christian Europe that has extended their hand too far."

        And they're just as crazy and delusional as you,so what's the difference?
        The pot calling the kettle black never rang so true.
        You're both killing this world,and you're both too stupid to see it.

        Both belief systems are rooted in ignorance and Bronze age beliefs,so how are you any different than them?
    • KingArthur13th  •  3 mths ago
      Religion has no place in politics. End of story.
      • Patrick 3 mths ago
        That's what Hitler, Stalin and Mao said. Enough said?
      • Isa Noman 3 mths ago
        Hitler, Stalin and Mao replaced traditional religion with a cult of personality- They weren't atheists, they had god complexes and took the place of deities which is not at all the same thing at all. Enough said? The public sphere is there to represent the needs of all peoples and it cannot do that when religion becomes involved- the best way to protect religion is to keep it separate from government.
    • real truth  •  Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      "Europe is threatened by a wave of "militant secularism" and religion should play a bigger role in public life, a British Cabinet minister said Tuesday"

      Which religion,specifically?
      There's too many religions and too many branches of those religions,and too many that can't agree with each other.
      Yeah,let's make things way more complicated then they need to be.

      The solution is keep religion out of government altogether and use common sense,logic and reason to govern the country.
      I'm an Atheist,so no religious law applies to me,but societal laws do. Societal laws apply to everyone equally,and if your particular religion has stricter laws,that's up to you to follow and adhere to them.
      If I have to follow someone's religiously based laws,then I'm not free.

      Britain,the U.S. or anywhere else.
      • Smee 3 mths ago
        You never were free and you never will be. Sad still, you have no clue where you come from or where you are headed.
      • real truth 3 mths ago
        "You never were free and you never will be."

        Yeah,I know that genius. Thank religion for that. I'm more free than you,so it doesn't matter.

        "Sad still, you have no clue where you come from or where you are headed."

        And you do? Nobody does.

        What do either of these statements have to do with pushing religion into politics?
        What do either have to do with using common sense in our legal system instead of ancient dogmatic beliefs?

        Do you have an actual comment or counter argument? What part of what I've said is incorrect?
        Point that out instead of random sentences that mean nothing.
      • Dave 3 mths ago
        Thanks for your posts, Real Truth. You kick butt!
    • LuigiT  •  Miami, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      Religion and religion freedom are important but should never been mixed with politics, there are at least 2000 years of history showing how danger and difficult mixing state and churches (Christian, Muslim, Hindu or any others does not matter) can be. Is actually one of the main problem here in America and in many states in Africa and the middle east. So be religious as you want in private and in your church but please be secular in public office is a good balance that might not be perfect but it does work better
    • FSM  •  Charlotte, North Carolina  •  3 mths ago
      It sounds like she is trying to protect Muslim religious rights, by urging others to protect Christian religious rights.
    • Robert G. Ingersoll  •  3 mths ago
      "There is nothing militant about calling for an end to blasphemy and apostasy laws or wanting religious persecution of women and gay people to end," he said.

      "Secular liberal democracy, which involves the separation of church and state and an end to religious privilege, is the best guarantor of religious liberty and free expression."

      Mr. Harris, you are so right. It is surprising that Ms. Warsi seems unaware that these values of Western Civilization are the very thing that allow her to serve and live her life freely and to aspire to such a position as a Cabinet Minister. There are many Muslims in Britain who believe that she should be lashed for not wearing a burka or at least a hijab.

      She has no idea of what is keeping these heathen barbarian forces at bay. Her statement again proves that even people at such a level can hold ignorant and unenlightened views.

      To publicly state such a false equivalency is preposterous. As I write this very post, a Saudi Arabian man could possibly be put to death for apostasy. He has been returned to Saudi Arabia from Malaysia. Many of the clerics in Saudi Arabia call for the man to put to death.

      Some Muslims in Britain yearn for the same kind of system in the UK. The only way she could aspire to the Cabinet or have the title of "Baroness" would then be in a parallel Universe.
    • Truth Hurts  •  Willards, Maryland  •  3 mths ago
      gee, I wonder when was the last time a secular person burned a witch on the stake, stoned an adulteress to a bloody pulp, or killed someone who doesn't share his beliefs?
    • UnknownPlanet  •  3 mths ago
      Considering the source, it's a dangerous first step to establishing legal precidents to incorporate Sharia into British law. In former British territories, this is happening.
    • UnknownPlanet  •  3 mths ago
      "Europe is threatened by a wave of 'militant secularism' What a joke! I don't recall any secularists placing bombs in the underground, etc. Nietzche was so wrong. It is in the name of God that anything is permissible, any atrocity. Currently Britain is being terrorized by Muslims, but it has a history of terrorism by religionists per se. Until recently, the country was terrorized by militant Catholics. But, then, Catholics in Northern Ireland were terrorized by Protestants.
    • GodFree  •  3 mths ago
      Militant secularism? So using your brain and being rational and reasonable and not thinking there is a shared imaginary friend is militant? With all due respect to believers like this guy, and that means none btw,

      HO TAKE SEAT!

      NEXT! I'm done with this one.
    • Johnson  •  3 mths ago
      I say we all just give in and let the Church rule the world. There simply hasn't been enough death and suffering at the hands of religious rule.
    • Aaron  •  3 mths ago
      Religion is nothing more than an effective means of social control. This is exactly why we need secularism.
    • v  •  3 mths ago
      Ms. Warsi seems to be unfamiliar with a little historical event called the Thirty Years War, that made most of Europe highly skeptical about the benefits of religious governance. It led to the Age of Enlightenment, and was responsible for the way the American Founding Fathers were educated, and it is why there is no mention of God in the U.S. Constitution.
    • Robert G. Ingersoll  •  3 mths ago
      The most insightful comment I have read on this forum about this article comes from @FSM below. Creating the straw man of "militant secularism" is a vacuous attempt at misdirection. If you oppose Sharia Law, many Muslims will label you a "militant secularist".

      I thought no one else would see through her opaque defense of Islam and no doubt her Muslim indoctrination. I was wrong...

      @FSM scores a direct hit and exposes her agenda of indirect support for Islam when he says...

      "It sounds like she is trying to protect Muslim religious rights, by urging others to protect Christian religious rights."
    • Marillion  •  3 mths ago
      Kim..but there is no secularism of any sort in Syria...Just look at the Arab world and the so called Arab Spring = more Muslim intolerance. Wait and see there will be no "Arab Spring"..
    • Me  •  3 mths ago
      Darn, sounds like Britain's politicians are morphing into US right wingnuts. This is not a good sign. Why anyone wants regligion involved in government is beyond me. It has NEVER WORKED for the betterment of mankind, only control and cash. That be reality that sheep don't seem to understand. They are under control, directed, and told what to think, period.
    • health1_au  •  3 mths ago
      The screw is turning on the fascism that is political correctness.
    • Mark  •  3 mths ago
      Muslims are told they can lie without sin as long as it is good for promoting Islam.

      I am quite sure she is lying.
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