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    LONDON (AP) — England and Scotland work "so much better together" than apart, British Prime Minister David Cameron said Thursday, as he appealed to Scots not to break up the United Kingdom by voting for independence.

    In a speech in Edinburgh before talks on the ground rules for a referendum, Cameron said Britain was "a warm and stable home that billions elsewhere envy" — and dangled the prospect of more autonomy for Scotland if it chose not to leave.

    "I believe in the United Kingdom," Cameron said. "I'm a unionist — head, heart and soul.

    "Of course Scotland could govern itself. So could England. But we do it so much better together."

    Cameron was in the Scottish capital for his first meeting on the issue with Scottish leader Alex Salmond, whose separatist party has long campaigned for Scotland to leave its neighbors behind for the first time in more than 300 years.

    Salmond is seeking to hold an independence referendum in September 2014, hoping that a separation from London would be completed with a May 2016 election for the Scottish Parliament.

    However, with opinion polls showing that only about a third of Scots favor splitting the nation, Cameron and other opponents are pressing for the vote to be held earlier.

    They also want a straight "yes or no" question rather than a third option, suggested by Salmond, of increased autonomy short of outright independence.

    After the meeting, Salmond said talks "have moved on quite substantially," with the only remaining disagreement being how many questions would be on the ballot.

    But Cameron said that "on the issue of independence, separating Scotland, leaving the United Kingdom, I am afraid there wasn't much progress."

    "I believe that we need to put a straightforward and simple and legal question to the Scottish people in good time, Cameron said.

    And he said Scotland could get more powers if it said no to independence.

    "If the answer to the question is that Scotland wants to stay in the United Kingdom, then further options for devolution are on the table," he told the BBC.

    Scotland and England united in 1707 to form Great Britain, but Scotland gained significant autonomy after voting in 1997 to set up the Edinburgh-based Scottish Parliament, which has power over education, health and justice and can make minor alterations to income tax. London retains primacy on all matters relating to Britain as a whole — including defense, energy and foreign relations.

    Cameron's government and Salmond have differed on the date of the referendum, what will be on the ballot paper and whether 16- and 17-year-olds should be allowed to vote.

    In his Edinburgh speech, Cameron hinted that independence could damage Britain's status in Europe, within NATO and put at risk the U.K.'s permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. He said Scotland would be safer and richer if it remained a part of the U.K., along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Wales and Northern Ireland also have devolved administrations with limited powers.

    But his overall tone was emollient. Cameron stressed that Scotland had the right to choose its own destiny, but said he hoped it would remain within Britain.

    He said that in an era of globalization and "increasing economic competition from the new, economic powerhouses of the world," there was strength in numbers.

    "Nothing encapsulates the principle of pooling risk, sharing resources and standing together with your neighbor better than the United Kingdom," he said.

    He also suggested Scotland could be granted more powers within the U.K. if it rejected independence.

    He said once the independence question was settled it would be time to ask: "Are there other powers that can be devolved? How can we make the United Kingdom work better?"

    Salmond insists that independence would bring greater prosperity, allowing Scotland to better exploit its oil, gas and other energy resources.

    And he was skeptical of Cameron's suggestion that rejecting independence would bring more powers for Scotland.

    "If the prime minister has an offer to make to the people of Scotland then he should make it now," Salmond said. "He should spell it out now so we can have a clear debate and a clear decision on the alternative futures for Scotland.

    "This idea of saying 'well, vote no and we'll give you something later' I don't think is going to convince anyone in Scotland."

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    David Stringer contributed to this report.

     

    20 comments

    • Apachetears  •  3 mths ago
      "CULLODEN! Ye English Bass turrrds!
      • Britannia 3 mths ago
        Ummm.....they lost that one.
    • Martin  •  Henderson, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      I wonder if Scotland wants it's own monarch or if they simply want to be an independent republic?
      • Bagsy_b 3 mths ago
        they had a volunteer Idi Amin
      • Britannia 3 mths ago
        They want to maintain the one they have.....like Canada and Australia and so on......
      • Lordh 3 mths ago
        Are they going to vote for a new monarch? No . They're voting for independence .
    • vartanb  •  , India  •  3 mths ago
      Scotland should have its own country and will be better than now
      with u.k.
      I do not think any scottish person will agree to stay together and
      to lose their personal existence.
      Do not listen what cameron bluffing you and do what you can and
      now the time for scotland to be free from u.k.

      bye
    • Распутин  •  3 mths ago
      Let's stay together = translation = you continue to give the Queen all of your money and life will be quite daft !
      • Chris 3 mths ago
        The institution of the queen brings in far more money than is spent on it. They are a net positive for the UK budget.
    • Lordh  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  3 mths ago
      What are you talking about, Cameron? England already governs !
    • Sam  •  3 mths ago
      What are they going to do. Rebuild Hadrians wall? Let them have their independance.
      • Bagsy_b 3 mths ago
        hopefully and then man it with I-ties
      • Britannia 3 mths ago
        If the majority of the people want it....it's a done deal.....it isn't a case of us not allowing them, they have to want it.
    • OHjoe  •  Toledo, Ohio  •  3 mths ago
      The food is much better in Scotland!
      • Britannia 3 mths ago
        That depends on where you eat....... in both countries. Scotland has some wonderful ingredients....and cooks.....so does England....T
        here are also restaurants not worthy of the title...in both countries. Always ask around and go by word of mouth....never judge a book by its cover because some places (hotels in particular) have wonderful looking restaurants....and plastic textured, tasteless food.
      • Chris 3 mths ago
        You have no idea what you're talking about. The food here sucks.
    • kjmac  •  3 mths ago
      Take the opportunity and rebuild Hadrian's wall.
    • Dave  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      Well you realize this is going to play havoc with all the Royals "Titles".....
    • Hooklineandsinker  •  3 mths ago
      Sorry to burst your bubble all you dumb, misinformed folk: Having lived in the UK for the last four decades and actually being half Scots myself, I've yet to meet more than a handful of educated Scotsmen who thinks this is a good idea. Perhaps this is why independence won't be achieved in our lifetime.
    • independentbynature  •  3 mths ago
      In the distance,ominous and low,a chant arose from the Scottish Parliment."Wallace,Wallace,Wallace."
    • WakeUpAmerica  •  Naples, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      Shades of Mary - Queen of Scots! There's good reason for Scotland to want to leave the United Kingdom, and that's going to boil over soon enough! They have no common views on many actions by Cameron and this weakens Britain's unity to the world. It's high time that Cameron and Salmond sit down and talk in earnest to reforms to strenghten ties again!
    • Alex  •  Denver, Colorado  •  3 mths ago
      Salmond is onto something. Why should Scotland vote against independence first and THEN get offers to make Scotland better? What is the logic in that? Does Cameron want Scotland to earn the alternatives by showing Westminster respect? Or does he not have alternatives and is skating around admitting that he wants Scotland the way it is?

      I think the British government should be doing the opposite, ofter the alternative and then vote. But since Cameron is not doing that, it's making him untrustworthy and at this point is going to end up doing more to sway Scotland in favor of independence with an early vote. He is making it worse for Westminster because he doesn't know how to work with people who oppose him.

      And depending on how far he will go to stop Scotland's independence I will be convinced that in three years the world will witness a violent British Revolution. Last year's riots are proving that such an event is probably on the horizon.

      The only hope for Britain now is for the Falkland Islands to be diplomatically lost for Argentina, that of which will pave the way for a motion of no confidence that can allow for a more compassionate Parliament and PM to take command.
    • VALENTIN  •  3 mths ago
      Russia must recognize Scotland, as an independent state.... Way to go, lets see English reaction since they keep on messing in the middle east, Kosovo, Litvinenko case, and spying stones in Russia....
    • Realist 2011  •  3 mths ago
      Clue to the Scots, ditch the UK and expel all the Muslims from Scotland. Scotland for the descendants of the Scots and Picts, make it a Celtic country once and for all.
    • Chas  •  3 mths ago
      The immigration and refugee resettlement will go on each and every day by the UK government and of course these people will also be voting whether they are Scots or just happen to be living there. Just like the Quebec situation, Scotland is becomming less Scottish every day. If the Scottish politicians are doing this to try and preserve their country and culture, which I doubt, then they should hurry up. If it's just to spit in England's eye, which is probably the case, then don't bother wasting everybodies time.
    • Alex Nero  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 mths ago
      Scotland should be independent from England and it's politically correct,extremist-catering,camera-filled excuse for a country.
    • Realist 2011  •  3 mths ago
      Does this mean Queen Lizzy will get an eviction notice posted on the door of Balmoral Castle?
    • Realist 2011  •  3 mths ago
      Did he parody Obama and sing Al Green's song before the Scottish Parliament?
    • ITOdeed  •  Seattle, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      Murdoch M0R0NS should hang together.
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