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    UN chief doubts comprehensive climate deal likely

    DURBAN, South Africa (AP) — An all-encompassing climate deal "may be beyond our reach for now," the U.N. chief said Tuesday as China and India delivered a setback to European plans to negotiate a new treaty that would bind all parties to their pledges on greenhouse gas emissions.

    The European "road map" toward a new accord that would take effect after 2020 is a centerpiece of negotiations among 194 countries at a U.N. climate conference in the South African coastal city of Durban. It has been presented as a condition for Europe to renew and expand its emissions reduction targets under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which expires next year.

    "We must be realistic about expectations for a breakthrough in Durban," said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as he opened the final ministerial stage of the two-week conference. "The ultimate goal for a comprehensive and binding climate change agreement may be beyond our reach for now."

    Political differences, the worldwide financial crisis and a divergence of priorities among rich and poor countries are barriers to an agreement on a future negotiating path, Ban said. But he urged nations to resolve lesser issues.

    "We must keep up the momentum," he said. "It would be difficult to overstate the gravity of this moment. Without exaggeration, we can say the future of our planet is at stake."

    As the conference moved into high gear, EU and U.S. officials said that China made it clear in private meetings that it will not accept international limits on its carbon emissions in the future.

    China has publicly stated it is willing to embark on negotiations on a legally binding post-2020 deal, but it has never explicitly stated that it would accept binding restrictions for itself.

    "It is not my impression that there has been any change at all in the Chinese position in regard to a legally binding agreement," U.S. envoy Todd Stern told reporters after meeting with the Chinese delegation.

    An EU delegate said that China unequivocally rejected the idea of assuming internationally binding limits on its emissions during a closed meeting on Monday with EU climate commissioner Connie Hedegaard. The delegate spoke on condition of anonymity because the negotiations were still in an early stage.

    China maintains that it is still a developing country with millions of impoverished people, despite its huge cash reserves. Most research also agrees with Beijing's contention that it is moving faster than most countries in closing dirty industries and developing clean energy.

    As for the U.S., Stern said it was prepared to talk about the next phase of fighting climate change, but not to declare in advance that the objective is a legally binding treaty. Such a goal would be difficult with Washington insisting any future agreement relate to all countries with equal legal force. Currently, industrial countries have legally binding emissions obligations, but any action by developing countries is voluntary.

    "Some countries have projected the question of a legally binding agreement in the future as a panacea for climate change. This is completely off the mark," said Indian Environment Minister Jayanthi Natarajan, speaking also for China, Brazil and South Africa, the world's four fastest developing economies, known as BASIC.

    "Developing countries should not be asked to make a payment every time an existing obligation becomes due on the part of developed countries," she said.

    BASIC said it was essential that the industrial countries renew commitments to cut carbon emissions as laid out in the Kyoto Protocol, moving into what is described as a second commitment period beginning in 2013.

    The U.N. chief urged the industrial countries to keep Kyoto alive, calling it the closest thing to a climate treaty.

    "I urge you to carefully consider a second commitment period," Ban said, drawing applause for the only time in his 15-minute address to the 15,000 participants.

    South African President Jacob Zuma said the dispute over continuing Kyoto was threatening other issues. If it is not resolved, he told the conference, "the outcome on other matters will become extremely difficult."

    Also Tuesday, scientists and U.N. agencies reminded the delegates that carbon emissions were still climbing and the Earth still warming while they were seeking political solutions.

    An international treaty on climate change wouldn't be enough to avert a dangerous rise in global temperatures, and countries need to voluntarily make deeper cuts in carbon emissions, said Achim Steiner, the head of the U.N. Environment Program.

    A UNEP report, released last month and formally presented to the host government South Africa, said the world is losing ground in controlling heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

    "We are not moving fast enough," Steiner said. "We are losing time."

     

    9 comments

    • Ed R  •  Southfield, United States  •  5 mths ago
      China is a developing country? They've been around for a couple of thousand years. The US has been around for 235 years. Why is it taking China so long to develop?
    • ION486  •  5 mths ago
      They killed the "rich" farmers and will now starve. See A pattern here?
    • AnthonyC  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Good!! Does any intelligent person still really believe in this man-made global warming claptrap?
      • ET 5 mths ago
        The only one I know is Al Gore---and he has become rich from it!
      • knaug60 5 mths ago
        1. Are you an intelligent person?
        2. Have you read with an open mind any statements from ANY reputable scientific organization on this matter? NOAA? AMS? National Academy of Science?
        3. Assuming you have not, do you still consider yourself well informed?
    • Paul  •  Tewksbury, United States  •  5 mths ago
      I think they're worrying too much about this - we can't alter the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere enough to alter the temperature enough for us to even measure. 90 to 94% of the warming is from water vapor, which we can't control at all, and only as much #$%$ is from carbon dioxide, but we're putting out only about 4% of that. So, if we eliminate all our carbon dioxide emissions we will have had an effect of 0.2% - can we even pretend to measure the result of that size of an effect? I believe that is far smaller than our margin of error.So if we get really lucky and the Kyoto Protocol fails then what next? Will we then be taxed on boiling our water?
      • knaug60 5 mths ago
        I think your information is biased to water vapor. What I have found is more like 75%, with CO2 being about 20%. Besides who cares what YOU think? Have you bothered to read what people who know this subject think? For example, the AMS? NOAA? The National Academy of Science? The American Geophysical Union? The National Geographic Society? etc. etc.
      • Paul 5 mths ago
        You are quoting the IPCC's upper limit on carbon dioxide. The real number is substantially lower. Also, I know this becuase of what I have "bothered" to read and research...and because I have studied the originally observed data sets (raw data - prior to anyone altering it to suit their arguments).

        In addition, if you ignore for the moment the entire concept of AWG and look at what is happening it would be a simple matter to see that this whole thing is just a cover story - a distraction - while this political group attempts to extract money, mainly from the US, to bail out failed regimes, primarily the socialist ones that recently ran out of money in Europe. It isn't really about global warming at all.
    • Mema Dada  •  5 mths ago
      Earth to UN, according to scientists the earth temp has been stable or cooling for the last decade plus. Would you get off the Earth is warming line and stop expecting us to believe lies.
    • Allison Karalus  •  Glen Ellyn, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Since energy usage has become the equivalent of harlotry, murder & adultery, energy users are being threatened with the lake of fire by Adam, Eve & the Lord Jesus Christ. GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL MIGHT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME-JESUS. Repent & be baptized! Jesus said, “I am God there is none besides me." "I am the Way, the Truth & the Life. No man comes to the Father except by me." "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." "As many as received Him to them He gave the power to become the sons of God the Father even to those who believe on His name." Jesus' healing ministry began with adult baptism. Jesus says, “In this world you shall have trouble, but I have overcome the world.” Jesus says, “If we confess our sins He is faithful & just to forgive us our sins & to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
    • Allison Karalus  •  Glen Ellyn, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Since energy usage has become the equivalent of harlotry, murder & adultery, energy users are being threatened with the lake of fire by Adam, Eve & the Lord Jesus Christ. GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL MIGHT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME-JESUS. Repent & be baptized! Jesus said, “I am God there is none besides me." "I am the Way, the Truth & the Life. No man comes to the Father except by me." "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." "As many as received Him to them He gave the power to become the sons of God the Father even to those who believe on His name." Jesus' healing ministry began with adult baptism. Jesus says, “In this world you shall have trouble, but I have overcome the world.” Jesus says, “If we confess our sins He is faithful & just to forgive us our sins & to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
    • TTown  •  5 mths ago
      And I am surprised because?
    • B  •  5 mths ago
      Beyond our reach sums it up.
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