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    Understanding Congress' payroll tax cut fight

    WASHINGTON (AP) — If President Barack Obama, the House and the Senate all want to extend a Social Security payroll tax cut and jobless benefits through next year, why are they fighting so bitterly over doing it?

    Obama, House Democrats and lopsided majorities of both parties in the Senate want to immediately renew the tax cut and jobless benefits for the next two months, and find a way later to extend them through 2012. House Republicans want to do it for a full year right away.

    That doesn't sound like an unbridgeable gap. Yet the fight has evolved into a year-end partisan grudge match with no clear resolution in sight and with huge political and economic stakes.

    Without action, the payroll tax paid by 160 million workers will rise by 2 percentage points to 6.2 percent on Jan. 1. That would mean $1,000 a year less in the pockets of people making $50,000, or about $19 weekly. In addition, 3 million people currently receiving long-term jobless benefits will begin to lose weekly payments that average under $300 — for many, their only support.

    Following is a guided tour, in question and answer form, through the dispute.

    Q: Why do Obama and the Senate want to extend the tax cut and jobless benefits by only two months?

    A: Actually, they don't. When the Senate voted overwhelmingly last weekend for a two-month bill backed by Obama, it was a fallback position after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., disagreed over ways to pay for a yearlong extension. Both sides agreed they would not let the bill increase long-term deficits.

    The Senate's two-month version continues the payroll tax and jobless benefits at this year's levels and costs $33 billion. The bargainers agreed to pay for that by raising fees people pay for new mortgages or refinancing insured by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-backed mortgage companies. For a $200,000 mortgage, the fee increase would raise a borrower's cost about $17 a month.

    A full-year extension would cost around $200 billion, and the two sides couldn't agree on how to pay for that. So they agreed on a bill extending the tax cuts and jobless benefits through February, and then they would return early next year to resolve their differences over a yearlong measure.

    Q: The government spends over $3.5 trillion every year. How hard can it be to find another $170 billion or so in savings?

    A: It's been tough because of the math and the ways each side would do it.

    The two parties seemed to agree that additional savings could come from a federal sale of parts of the broadcast spectrum, and by requiring government workers to contribute more to their pensions. Beyond that are vast differences, substantive and political.

    A yearlong extension that the GOP-run House passed this month would make higher-income seniors pay more for Medicare coverage and cut spending for parts of Obama's health care overhaul law enacted last year. Democrats oppose both those provisions.

    Democrats have proposed paying for a one-year extension of the payroll tax and federal unemployment benefits by imposing a 1.9 percent surtax on income above $1 million a year, a non-starter with Republicans. During talks between top Senate Democrats and Republicans, Democrats also proposed other ways of boosting levies on the wealthy, but those were rejected.

    Q: Are there any other differences?

    A: They're also fighting over the jobless benefits taxpayers should provide as the economy slowly improves.

    Democrats want to keep the current structure. Most states provide 26 weeks of unemployment coverage, and federal programs enacted since the recession boost the eligibility up to 99 weeks in some states.

    The House-passed bill would pare that total coverage to a maximum 79 weeks. That probably would fall even further in some states as employment improves. The House bill also requires benefit recipients without high school diplomas to pursue education alternatives and lets states test recipients for drug use.

    Q: While they work through these differences, why the fuss over whether Congress first approves a two-month or a one-year plan?

    A: For one thing, many freshman and conservative House Republicans are tired of compromising with the Senate and want their leaders to take a stand. They also say a two-month extension of the payroll tax cut would create uncertainty for taxpayers and businesses and problems for employers' payroll systems.

    Many House Republicans hate the idea of keeping the issue alive until March 1, when the two-month bill would expire. Democrats have damaged Republicans politically with proposals to pay for the payroll tax cut by boosting levies on the rich. GOP lawmakers solidly oppose that approach, saying it would discourage job creation, and Democrats have used that to argue that Republicans are defending the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

    That's not an argument Republicans want to spend the 2012 election year having. As a result, many want to avoid additional votes on the matter next year, and they don't want to let Obama spend next month's State of the Union address discussing it. They would rather spend 2012 voting on issues they feel are on their terrain, like blocking Obama administration regulations, reducing the size of government and cutting its spending.

    Q: What about Democrats?

    A: They say the tax cut and unemployment coverage must be renewed to protect the millions who would be hurt Jan. 1. They also have no desire to surrender leverage by abandoning the two-month deal negotiated by the Senate's Reid and McConnell.

    But they, too, have political motivations.

    Democrats cite economists who say the payroll tax would pump enough money into the economy to help it grow slightly next year. Knowing that the 2012 presidential and congressional races are likely to hinge on the economy's performance, they want to take no chances with anything that might tip the economy in the wrong direction. To them, that means the payroll tax cut and extra jobless coverage must be extended.

    Q: Wouldn't these bills also prevent a scheduled cut in reimbursements to doctors who treat Medicare patients?

    A: Yes, a 27 percent reduction takes effect next month unless Congress acts. Doctors say that cut would discourage physicians from treating the elderly people served by Medicare. Neither party wants to anger older voters by limiting their access to doctors.

     
    • gen w  •  St James, New York  •  5 mths ago
      Stop sending money overseas to the arabl world. now i heard our government is sending money to saudia arabia.
      • bob 5 mths ago
        300 plus billion in like 10 years my man to those rag heads in saudi arabi
      • CubaMoJohn 5 mths ago
        So I guess that means you don't approve of the $10MILLION Congress spent to remake Sesame Street in Pakistan? Come on, it's just taxpayer money. Dems fought hard for this & idiot Repubs caved. JERKS!!
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        all foreign aid should be totally stopped including the largest welfare state that we send almost 4 billion per year of tax payer money too ''Israel'' - the by far largest foreign aid payment that could be much better used in our own #$%$ countrycubamojohn - wake up already - the republicans fought just as hard to give our money away to everyone else but our own - all the politicians have their hands in the pockets of these welfare states instead of worrying about our own #$%$ country
    • nuneya  •  Cadiz, Kentucky  •  5 mths ago
      Congress and Senate this message is for you . GET IT TOGETHER OR GET OUT . Im sick to DEATH of all of this #$%$ .
      • Jim 5 mths ago
        Then learn what is going on, who is ruling the country, what their agenda is and the few options Boobus Americanus has left to resist it, and what that will cost us. Or just sit at your computer and pound out your frustration on the keyboard.
    • Bustersmycat  •  5 mths ago
      And if you believe that any of the money they agree to collect will end up in the Social Security fund, I suggest you think again. Take from SS and put it elsewhere. doesn't sound like a smart way to manage our public pension fund to me.
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        one sure way to over flow social security with all they need is to stop all foreign aid and put the money back into the fund that helps american citizens when they retire instead of supporting countries that hate our guts, including Israel
    • Fedup  •  5 mths ago
      Well, finally, a AP article that at least tries to present both sides of an issue.
    • Charles  •  Dallas, Texas  •  5 mths ago
      I can't believe The senior Citizens are letting them get aay with taking the money from Soc. Security, to pay for the Payroll Tax. Where is the Gray panthers or "AA". aren't they supposed to be watching for this kind of "Shell Game".
      • Daniel 5 mths ago
        guess what - senior citizens have no say in what is done in our government and never did. the social security system was to be a ''lock box'' and not used for anything else until the politicians found a way around the lock box deal and used it for everything else but what it was made for - both parties are totally at faultthe only way senior citizens can make the government listen and wake up is to form a revolt against them - most senior citizens like me are vietnam and korean veterans and we did not forget hot to fight - believe me, the politicians would run for cover if this ever happened because they are all candy #$%$ with no courage at all
      • Poor American 5 mths ago
        Charles, Seniors, through AARP, are fighting. If we allow this tax decrease to pass, it means that when you or your children can retire there won't be enough left. As Daniel posted the SS system was supposed to be "UNTOUCHABLE". If you think that your 401k, stock investments or savings accounts are still going to be there when you retire, think again. Markets fail, companies fail and banks fail and if that happens your "retirement savings" will fail right along with them.
      • Jordan 5 mths ago
        Social Security is already being raided by the government, and has been for 40+ years. There is no "Trust Fund", the money goes directly to the general fund and the US Government places IOUs in the "Trust" Fund. Social Security can be made solvent for the next century any time Congress chooses to do so, but it won't be touched until it's already bankrupting us.
    • Scott  •  Watervliet, New York  •  5 mths ago
      It will take two months to get the two month extension
      • John Q. Public 5 mths ago
        @Scott: Given that Congress started having these discussions back in early December I think it'll take three months to get a two month extension...
    • r  •  5 mths ago
      Give social security people a raise and then takae it back with a rise in taxes.
    • WR  •  5 mths ago
      Here is what is true and verifiable about the Keystone XL pipeline. Enbridge has acknowledged that the Canadian oil sands heavy crude oil to be transported through the Canadian XL pipeline is not destined for the US and that most is to be exported to China. As of December 6th there are 13.3 million Americans unemployed. According to MPS, the main construction contractor, there will only be about 3000 temporary jobs open only to experienced union pipeline construction workers, with the jobs lasting about 16 months. When the pipeline is finished it only require less than 200 fulltime longterm workers to operate and maintain the 1100 miles of the US section and will be staffed by the Canadian firm TransCanada. The wildly inflated jobs numbers are political hype. Even from a materials aspect the US is coming up on the short end. Bechtel is supplying the materials for this project and has publicly stated that they would be sourcing the materials from several countries including Canada(made in and purchased from Russia), China, India and the US, with only 20% of the components from the US. This is a Canadian project for a Canadian pipeline running through the heart of the US to transport Canadian oil to the Gulf of Mexico for processing and export, mainly to Canada's customer China, for Canadian profit.
      TransCanada a Canadian company will own this pipeline, not the US government or a US company and they can hire Canadians, Chinese, Mexicans, Russians or anyone they want to operate and maintain it. The biggest fallacy is thinking we get the oil, we don't, it is to be exported, China is the buyer. Where is this a good deal for the US citizens, economy, unemployment and the price of our oil, diesel fuel and gasoline?
    • Yahooooo  •  5 mths ago
      So to pay for two months of unemployment the Senate wants to add another tax to all new mortgages forevermore. Then we get to go through this whole process again while they find some other way to tax us.

      How about we cut spending?
    • johnny_be_good  •  Daly City, California  •  5 mths ago
      It is easy math but congress and president must act, take the cap off from social security taxes. Pay as you earn no $106000 cap. but Cap still apply for employers. I don't mind to pay for it. It s fair game the more you make the more you pay.
    • mark  •  Norristown, Pennsylvania  •  5 mths ago
      How much could we save if our government took a pay cut like the rest of us? How much could we save if we took their perks away? They get the best medical care, vote for their own raises, and get generous pensions for doing nothing but making things worse for us.
      .
    • Rick  •  5 mths ago
      ALAN, a fair and well written article. THANKS...Rick
    • DilldoTBaggins  •  Burlington, New Jersey  •  5 mths ago
      Why is it OK to end a "temporary" tax cut for the middle and lower classes who are losing their jobs, but not OK to end a "temporary" tax cut for millionaires who have proven they create no jobs?
    • Jason  •  Riverview, Florida  •  5 mths ago
      @WR, Your post is right on target. Not only that, but OUR government is granting imminent domain rights to this company chasing off many of our farmers who provide most of our food. This oil is the worst kind. They got their way in Kalamazoo, and read what those folks are dealing with. We simply HAVE to remove money from politics to shut down this whole dog and pony show these crooks in charge are producing. They knew this tax cut was up for review and as usual they wait until the last minute to stage a crisis which then allows for such "bargaining". Shut it down. America has had it with the 1% and their treasonous ways.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  5 mths ago
      Why is it that when talking about payroll tax cuts for working Americans, Republicans insist that we make cuts in services to afford it, but when we talk about the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, they say that it is their money and we don't need to find a way to account for it?
      I am in favor of the accountability, but shouldn't it go both ways?
    • Yahooooo  •  5 mths ago
      How much of this $20/week is spent on junk made in China?
    • Chris  •  Tampa, Florida  •  5 mths ago
      It was the Republicans who originally voted against the one year extension.
      It was the Republicans who, when it was time to extend tax cuts for the rich, couldn't get it through fast enough, but now tax cuts for middle class are on the line, they want to tie all sorts of preconditions to it.
      It was the Republicans who added on all sorts of completely unrelated riders that they knew were unacceptable to the Democrats, such as the Keystone pipeline and drug testing for the unemployed.
      It was the Republicans who wanted to hold benefits to 160 million middle class Americans hostage for the possibility of a few thousand temporary jobs - with all the profits going to the oil companies.
      It was the Republicans who kept delaying the bill by constantly changing their minds and playing political games, and so ensure that the bill would needed to be voted on at the very end of the year and so create a crisis they could exploit.
      It was the Republicans who did all the above, and forced the Democrats to change the timeline to two months instead of a year, to provide a temporary stop gap solution.
      It was the Republicans who accepted the bill for the two month and voted for it in the Senate.
      It was the Republicans, who after the Senate had voted on the bill they had all agreed on and already had left Washington, proceeded to vote against that very same bill and reneged on their deal.
      It was the Republicans, who in an act of political brinksmanship and propaganda, are trying to make it seem like they "don't want to kick the can down the road" when it was the Democrats who wanted the one year extension in the first place.

      So tell me again how it is the Democrats fault?
    • Everyman  •  5 mths ago
      A NEW PARTY OF THE MIDDLE CLASS

      America needs a new political party of the middle class to control government and the judiciary for the people. The already rich have proven themselves incapable of overcoming greed and avarice in their guidance of public policy and are simply too corrupted by the influence of big money to be trusted by the American people. The American middle class is a large and enormously talented and inventive group of problem solvers who can perform the job of governing well within the American constitutional framework and is closely in touch with the American people in general.

      The core principles of this Middle Class party should be as follows:

      A solid first step in fixing our economic and political woes is to disqualify any person worth more than three million dollars, regardless of political party or affiliation, from holding political office, occupying a civil service position or holding a judgeship. Reason: The rich are too corrupted by greed to be of any benefit to the community generally or be trusted by the American people. Putting the rich in government or the judiciary is equal to turning over the reins of power to a bunch of felons.

      All lobbyists need to be removed from Washington and all government circles, so rational decisions replace greed as the motive force for change.

      Strict terms limits must be placed on all politicians so that there is a continuous flow of fresh ideas in all policy making arenas instead of old, stale and corrupted views of the way things were.

      Private financing of elections must be ended to permit the best candidates to compete for public office without ties to organizations who could care less about the public well-being when it conflicts with their profits.

      The means are apparent. We need to defeat politicians who disagree with these principles (and who are in the pockets of the super-rich) and only elect politicians who agree to enact this vision at the earliest conceivable moment. The tenets of this position are straightforward and understandable and may constitute a guide for the American middle class without being co-opted by agents of the wealthy, who would corrupt this platform for the benefit of their masters.
    • Womper  •  Lansdale, Pennsylvania  •  5 mths ago
      I fully understand it. They are all a bunch self-centered morons.
    • Chris  •  Tampa, Florida  •  5 mths ago
      Right. 2 month extension injects uncertainty into the economy, but playing games with the extension, packing the bill with all sorts of ideological partisan agenda wishlist items right at the last second in hopes you can use the impending deadline as leverage to force everyone to accept your completely irrelevant, unrelated wishlist in order to extend the payroll tax cuts...that's perfectly reasonable and has nothing to do with injecting uncertainty into the economy. And for that matter, brinking the country to the brink of a default on its debts while your extremist fringe-lunatic base screams for a default...all while yet again turning a routine legislative act into a hostage so you can make demands that your ideological partisan agenda wishlist be enacted...and thereby causing a downgrading of the nation's credit rating...THAT is perfectly reasonable and has nothing to do with economic uncertainty either. And shutdown threats? Oh, the shutdowns...more routine legislation turned into a hostage game in order to make ideological partisan agenda wishlist demands...jus tlike they did in the '90's when Netwered set the precedent that shutdowns and breaking gov't would be the new and improved way of trying to jam your conservative exrtemism down everyone's throats in an attempt to wreck Medicare, SS and turn the middle class into third world labor. Yeah, the GOP/Teatrolls offer nothing but certainty: it's a 100% sure thing you're getting hozed whether they get what they want or throw a nutty because they didn't.
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