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    US warms to idea of Pakistan talks with militants

    ISLAMABAD (AP) โ€” Despite some tough talk, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's recent visit to Pakistan seemed to subtly soften Washington's stand on a key point of contention between the two countries: whether Islamabad should take military action against Pakistan-based insurgents fighting American troops in Afghanistan, or try to engage them in peace talks.

    Clinton seemed to acknowledge during her two-day visit that ended Friday that help with a negotiated settlement is perhaps the best the U.S. can hope for from Pakistan. This shift in the U.S. stance could give Washington and Islamabad new room to cooperate on ending the Afghan war.

    But serious barriers to negotiations remain. The U.S. believes that military force is still needed to push the Taliban and their allies to make concessions. Pakistan, which Washington alleges supports some of the militant groups, prefers on the other hand to reduce violence to induce the insurgents to come to the table.

    Islamabad is also worried about being blamed if peace talks fail. It has long-standing ties with the armed groups, but the militants are unpredictable and resistant to pressure. Pakistan is furthermore unsure of exactly what kind of deal the U.S. and Afghan governments might strike with the insurgents, and the atmosphere is permeated by feelings of distrust on all sides.

    The U.S. has long demanded that Pakistan take greater military action against Taliban militants and their allies who use Pakistani territory to regroup and to send fighters to attack forces in Afghanistan. Recently, the U.S. has pushed for an assault on the Haqqani militant network, which the U.S. alleges is supported by the Pakistan military's spy agency, the ISI. The U.S. deems the Haqqanis the greatest threat to American troops in Afghanistan.

    Pakistan has denied supporting the Haqqanis, but has also made clear that it will not conduct an offensive against the group's safe haven in the North Waziristan tribal area, a position that has not changed despite the two-day visit by Clinton and other senior national security officials, including CIA chief David Petraeus and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey.

    Many analysts believe Pakistan's refusal is driven by its belief that the Haqqanis could be key allies in Afghanistan after foreign forces withdraw, especially in countering the influence of archenemy India.

    The Pakistani military, however, says that its failure to act against the Haqqanis is just a question of limited resources. It claims its troops are stretched too thin by operations in other parts of the tribal region of northwest Pakistan that are deemed a higher priority โ€” a stance reiterated by the Pakistanis following talks with Clinton's delegation.

    "There is limited capacity, and if the organization is overstretched and starts to develop cracks, that is counterproductive," said a senior Pakistani security official, speaking on condition of anonymity to comment on the outcome of the closed-door talks.

    Clinton seemed to soften the U.S. stance during a town hall meeting in Islamabad. When asked whether the U.S. expects Pakistan to militarily tackle the Haqqani network or force them to the negotiating table, she said, "It's more the latter."

    Clinton also confirmed that the U.S. had tried to reach out to the Haqqanis directly in peace efforts. She is the first U.S. official to publicly acknowledge the overtures, which were first reported by The Associated Press in August. She said the meeting was organized by the ISI.

    The U.S. has not totally backed away from blunt public statements urging Pakistan to fight the Haqqanis. Clinton said Islamabad must rid the country "of terrorists who kill their own people and who cross the border to kill people in Afghanistan."

    The tough message may be intended to avoid making the U.S. look weak in its policy toward a militant group accused of attacking American civilians and soldiers in Afghanistan. It could also be meant to keep up perceived pressure on the Haqqanis to get them to negotiate.

    Pakistan doesn't believe the U.S. plan to use military action to force militants into peace talks will work โ€” a disagreement that has bedeviled the process.

    "In our culture, it may not work if you want to negotiate with the same adversary you are fighting," said the Pakistani security official. "You have to declare a pause in fighting if you want to give peace a chance."

    Clinton made clear the U.S. feels otherwise, saying during the town hall meeting that experience has shown that only a combination of fighting and talking "will convince some to come to negotiations and will remove others who are totally opposed to peace and want to continue their violent attacks."

    Pakistan is open to approaching the Taliban and their allies about participating in peace talks, but can't provide any guarantees that its efforts will succeed, said the security official.

    "Contact does not mean that they are in our pockets," said the official. "Contact means we will suggest to them that they participate."

    Both the Taliban and the Haqqanis have been difficult partners for Pakistan over the years.

    In the late 1990s, the founder of the Haqqani network, Jalaluddin Haqqani, refused Islamabad's demand to hand over militants in his camps in Afghanistan who had carried out attacks inside Pakistan. Following the Sept. 11 2001 attacks, Taliban leader Mullah Omar refused Pakistan's plea to hand over al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden.

    Perhaps the greatest barrier to a potential peace deal, however, is that nobody seems to have a clear idea whether the Taliban and their allies have any interest in negotiating.

    "We're not sure," said Clinton. "There may be no appetite for talking on the other side for ideological reasons or whatever other motivations."

    After the U.S. met with a senior Haqqani official over the summer, the group allegedly carried out an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Kabul and staged a truck bombing days later that wounded 77 American soldiers.

    The peace process also took a big blow with the assassination in Kabul of former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was tasked with the government's outreach to the Taliban. It's still unclear who carried out the attack. The Afghan government has said it was planned in the Pakistani city of Quetta, the Taliban leadership's suspected base, and the interior minister accused the ISI of being involved. But no evidence has been provided.

    The allegations have soured relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan, as did a strategic partnership agreement that Kabul recently signed with India โ€” the first of its kind that Afghanistan has reached with any country.

    U.S. accusations that Pakistan has supported the Haqqani network have also increased feelings of mistrust on all sides.

    "These kinds of public pronouncements don't help enhance the space for cooperation," said the Pakistani security official. "They badly affect the space, which is limited to begin with."

    __

    Kathy Gannon, AP Special Regional Correspondent for Pakistan and Afghanistan, contributed to this report.

     

    55 comments

    • Maria  •  7 mths ago
      Its FUNNY how Americas and Indians keep calling Pakistanis 'Paki'... I wonder if they know that the term 'Paki' literally means 'Pure People' in our language... LOL
      • Red Vine 7 mths ago
        but you dont know what it means in our language he he he he..
      • Maria 7 mths ago
        oh i am interested to know what it means... and please do give me the references of the dictionaries... You see i don't trust the Americans...
      • Mighty American 7 mths ago
        That is ok we don't trust you either. And you may be pure...but the question still remains....pure what?
    • TRILO  •  Everett, United States  •  7 mths ago
      There is no negotiation with Islam, especially the Muslims. Mohammed would never allow it, that is why it has never happened. You are one of them, or you are dead. Go ahead and warm up to that? LMAO what a joke. (Read the Koran, it is in there)
      • RRR 7 mths ago
        as a matter of fact, throughout the history and especially Mohammed himself made peace treaties / pacts with non Muslim leaders. It is always allowed

        people of pakistan or another non western country dont hate america, even for me, i love history of US, but the real history, regarding the revolution against the british, they set a precidents fro other colonies

        what we hate is the zionists and private banks controlling all christians and making them fight with mislims

        you should read the HISTORY, and the crusades - after the war finished, many zionists were found and killed for working as christians on seperate agenda, even leading war on other catholic christians
      • Kuldip Vasisht 7 mths ago
        mohammed and peace? are you smoking canadian pot from a mosque
      • SHAFIULLAH 7 mths ago
        What kind of Idea of Muhammad represent that people are dying for such idea..If you read the Koran properly..I'm sure you'll never refuse the truth..and i dare you to read the Koran..
    • Oukid  •  Detroit, United States  •  7 mths ago
      It is easy to talk about "coming home." However, Pakistan is not like the backward Afganistan. It has nuclear weapons. You War Hawks might think we could blow them back to the Stone Age and you probalbly would be correct, except radiation just does not stay in one place. It becomes part of the atmosphere of the planet for centuries. Do you seriously want to be the country that extinguishes the lives of 187,000,000 people? Do you seriously think the rest of the world will not react to such an outragous act no matter how the US think it's justified. We are not an island!!!! What happens to the rest of the world does matter to us. The pen is and always has been mighter than the sword. As the great Indian Chief Joseph one said "It is easy to pick up the rifle, but it is hard to put it down."
      • Patton 7 mths ago
        Your choice of a defeated, loser tells us all we need to know about your theory. The US millitary used guns. Chief "Joe" used a pen. Who runs this country now? That's right, the guys with the guns win every time. Come after me with a pen and I'll show you how effective it is when I pull out my gun, idiot.
      • ALAM R 7 mths ago
        world have seen guns from Vietnam to Afghanistan...no more necessary
    • buds  •  7 mths ago
      yahoo is censoring me yet again...i have a petition at the whitehouse site to stop all aid to pakistan and romove all our troops and every time i try to post with a clue as to how to get to my petition the pull it..is yahoo backing them?
      • Gus Stoppo 7 mths ago
        Yahoo is not your personal political platform for posting a petition. If they allow you to do so, all the politicians would plague all sights with their personal agendas. I suggest creating your own web page and buy advertising space on Yahoo to introduce your petition, if you think Yahoo is your preferred soapbox.
      • buds 7 mths ago
        sounds like you back these idiots to
      • DB 7 mths ago
        Sorry Buds, but I have to agree with Mr Stoppo.
    • Bastavi  •  7 mths ago
      Why are we there!!!?? Real Democracy comes with good education !!!
    • Bastavi  •  7 mths ago
      Why are we there!!!?? Real Democracy comes with good education !!!
    • Moderate  •  7 mths ago
      correction, US government warms to pakistan peace talks with militants. The US people has no say in the matter.
    • Maria  •  7 mths ago
      What sort of war on terror is this where innocent victims of drone attacks on Pakistan and 35000 Pakistanis who have lost their lives in this so called war are not acknowledged whereas 3000 victims of 9/11 attacks are acknowledged as if it is the greatest tragedy of all times... America and allied forces continue to wage war and terror throughout the globe killing people as if their lives are not important... and you know what is most obvious: Majority of the people are so blinded by mainstream media that they cannot even identify the real terrorists... what a shame!
      • Gus Stoppo 7 mths ago
        A lesson to be learned by all. Attack the USA and we will come like the thief in the night and take your life. Even if the sun shines bright. If you don't have the stomach, then don't start the fight.
      • Red Vine 7 mths ago
        @gun stoppo----- you idiot, you didnt ever read what maria was saying. America is killing civilians in the name of 'war on terror'. Punish the wrongdoer not the innocent. Now you get it.

        What a typical american, take time to understant whats been said, then replay. ok.
      • Mighty American 7 mths ago
        Those civilians being killed are carrying arms and have been seen shooting at Americans in Afganistan....and those 35000 Paki's that have been killed ...they have been killed by the Taliban and the other terrorist you are friends with not by America.
    • richie rich  •  Stockton, United States  •  7 mths ago
      we lost our edge.they don't give a crap what we think or want.
    • sickofitall  •  7 mths ago
      We're pulling out of Iraq....I've got an idea!!! Let's get out of the whole region and let them all kill and eat each other in the name of their religion and greed and hate....We've got oil and we are Americans...We will pull together and make things better for ourselves and our children..
      We always have, when the politicians listen to us and work for us, not against us...NAFTA is a
      mistake and we can and must get out...If we don't start to rebuild our autonomy and economic base soon, it may be too late....Personal altruism is fine, but to commit an entire nation to becoming a charitable institution for the rest of the world is suicidal....We cannot take care of anyone else if we don't secure our own future and independence....
      VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS IN 2012!!!! FOR OUR CHILDRENS' FUTURE....
    • Occult Paradigm Shift  •  Eugene, United States  •  7 mths ago
      If we're going to spend billions in these countries, then we should look at ways to pay for these wars. There was recent news about Afganistan having large deposits of rare earth materials. If this is the case, we should file a mining claim with Afganistan so we own the rights to the minerals (they wouldn't have a choice). This would create jobs in Afganistan, give them income to build their own country, decrease some of our dependence on China for these materials, and justify a permanent base in the area, which would be paid for by reducing bases in other parts of the world not required. This would also help put a check on the Taliban insurgence and gaining power again when we leave. Before we leave Iraq, we should require repayment in oil for tax payers money spent to check one radical leader and radical beleifs in this God foresaken part of the world.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 mths ago
      The idea of even trying to have talks with the militants[the jihadists] by itself is an act of folly.
      For the Taliban or any other jihadists entites know how to dissimulate. Therefore, not a word that they promise can be trusted. They will only keep their word as long as it suits them and no longer. They are good at putting into practice the Islamic doctrine od Taqqiyya[Deception] They are very disingenous. Moreover, it should be noted that the wisdom of Sun Tzu needs be be applied here. In his BOOK OF WAR he wrote ""We cannot enter into alliance with neighboring princes untill we are acquainted with their designs." To put this in a more current and updated way. It may be said "We cannot enter into alliance with the Taliban or other jihadists warlords untill we are acquainted with their designs."
    • PhuQue  •  7 mths ago
      somebody please flip a coin
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Columbus, United States  •  7 mths ago
      ,,,,,,,is there really that much gold, copper or aluminum there,,,?
    • Patton  •  7 mths ago
      Pakistan is the enemy. Stop talking to them, end all foriegn aid to them, withdraw all US embassy personel, and open talks with India on selling them the weapons they need to destroy Pakistan. Encourage India to attack Pakistan and offer to provide them with our veto support in the UN security council. Continue to use drone attacks in Pakistan and expand these to include all members of Pakistan's government of terrorists. Recognize your enemy and then destroy your enemy. You don't send your enemy billons of dollars in aid unless you are a complete #$%$
    • Gus Stoppo  •  St. Louis, United States  •  7 mths ago
      "Pakistan has denied supporting the Haqqanis, but has also made clear that it will not conduct an offensive against the group's safe haven in the North Waziristan tribal area". What is going on with that? If they know where they are, SEND IN THE DRONES!! Screw talking with those inbred left handed butt wipers. Just give them 48 hrs to come to the bargaining table or unleash hellfire on em', for about 30 days or so non-stop. Then ask again if they wanna talk. If not, repeat as often as necessary. If the Pakistanis don't like it . . . soften them up a little bit too! Just get it over with! Commit or go home!
    • I love U.S.A  •  7 mths ago
      I think they talk to unity force against U.S.
    • SHAFIULLAH  •  7 mths ago
      Why american are so fool 75% afghan belongs to Taliban..Only Kabul have under control of US..and US shifted her attention towards Pakistan and blaming their failure to Pakistan..You guys puppet of news
    • Lion  •  Rocklin, United States  •  7 mths ago
      You can not trust the Americans, just like the British. Divide and rule. USA supported Iraq for 10 years to fught Iran, then later took Sadaam out ever wounder? 9/11 if its was not staged, they were all Saudi's. The American never touched them ever wounder why? Bully and controll the weak is the name and the game of the USA. Why not mess with China, Korea. The ONLY reason UA is afraid of Pakistan because of the NUKES Pakistan have otherwise Pakistan was in History books just like Sadaam. Pakistan, Afganistan and India should work hand in hand and kick the others out. All they want is to divide and rule with their puppet goverment. WAKE UP....
    • Albert  •  7 mths ago
      What part of stop all foreign aid to Pakistan does Clinton and Obama not understand?
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