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    US weapons for future include key relics of past

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The lineup of weapons the Pentagon has picked to fit President Barack Obama's new forward-looking defense strategy, called "Priorities for 21st Century Defense," features relics of the past.

    They include the Air Force's venerable B-52 bomber, whose current model entered service shortly before Obama was born. There is the even older U-2 spy plane, which began flying in 1955 and burst into the spotlight in May 1960 when Francis Gary Powers was shot down over the Soviet Union.

    When Obama went to the Pentagon on Jan. 5 to announce his new defense strategy he said that as the U.S. shifts from a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan it will "get rid of outdated Cold War-era systems." He was not specific. But when the first details of the Pentagon's 2013 budget plan were announced Thursday, it was clear that some prominent remaining Cold War-era "systems" will live on.

    That includes not just the B-52 bomber and the U-2 spy plane, but also the foundation of U.S. nuclear deterrence strategy: a "triad" of nuclear weapons that can be launched from land, sea, and air. That concept, credited by many for preventing nuclear conflict throughout the Cold War, is now seen by some arms control experts as the kind of outdated structure that the United States can afford to get rid of.

    Some think the U.S. should do away with at least one leg of that "triad," perhaps the bomber role. That would not just save money and clear the way for larger reductions in the number of U.S. nuclear weapons — an Obama goal in line with his April 2009 pledge to seek the elimination of nuclear weapons.

    Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said recently that maintaining the current structure of American nuclear forces was "not in keeping with the modern world." He and like-minded lawmakers argue that nuclear weapons play no role in deterring threats such as global terrorists.

    The U.S. now has about 5,000 operational nuclear weapons, about half as many as a decade ago. They can be launched from ballistic missile submarines, from underground silos housing intercontinental ballistic missiles, and from B-52 and B-2 bombers at air bases in Louisiana, North Dakota and Missouri.

    The Air Force, which provides the land and air legs of the triad, argues for preserving that Cold War-era configuration.

    "It remains our conviction that as you go down (in numbers of nuclear weapons), the triad actually becomes more important," Gen. Norton Schwartz, the Air Force chief of staff, told reporters Friday. "The diversity, the variety, the attributes associated with each leg of the triad reinforce each other to a greater degree."

    Both the B-52 and the B-2 are capable of doing more than carrying nuclear weapons. The B-52 has been modernized many times and is now used in a variety of roles, including close-air support of troops in conflict and can carry missiles, bombs and mines. The first of the current H models entered service in May 1961.

    The land-based intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) force dates to 1959. Ballistic missile subs, known as "boomers," were first launched in 1960; the current Ohio-class fleet dates to 1981.

    The administration is nearing completion of an internal review of how many nuclear weapons are required to meet today's security needs; that process will lead to decisions on whether to reshape the nuclear arsenal. That effort is linked to consultations with NATO allies on whether to withdraw the remaining U.S. nuclear weapons from Europe, an arrangement that also is rooted in the Cold War. Also at play is how to set the stage for a new round of nuclear reduction talks with Russia.

    The only move the Pentagon is making on the nuclear weapons front in the 2013 budget is a proposed two-year delay in development of a new generation of submarines to replace those how equipped with Trident nuclear missiles.

    The Arms Control Association, which favors cutting nuclear weapons, estimates that the new fleet of ballistic missile submarines would cost $350 billion to build and would last for 50 years. It advocates shrinking the number of subs to eight, which is says would save $27 billion over 10 years.

    Laicie Olson, senior policy analyst at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said in an interview Friday that she was surprised, given Obama's commitment to reducing the number of nuclear weapons, that the administration is not using its 2013 defense budget to take substantial steps in that direction.

    "All of these things are sticking around," she said, referring also to the U-2 spy plane, which was to have been retired in 2015 and replaced by a high-tech successor, the Global Hawk, which is flown without a pilot aboard.

    Preserving such Cold War-era weapons "actually seems like the opposite of what the president set out to do," she said.

    The Pentagon announced Thursday that the Global Hawk turned out to be a disappointment and no cheaper to use, so it is being canceled. As a result, the Air Force is extending the lifespan of the U-2, nicknamed "Angel" by Kelly Johnson, the Lockheed engineer who helped design the high-altitude spy plane.

    Since 1994 the Air Force has spent $1.7 billion to modernize the U-2, whose claims to fame include the October 1962 flights over Cuba that confirmed the presence of Soviet nuclear missiles, touching off the Cuban missile crisis.

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    Online:

    Pentagon: http://tinyurl.com/84ouz2u

    Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation: http://armscontrolcenter.org/

    Arms Control Association: http://www.armscontrol.org

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    Robert Burns can be followed on Twitter at http://twitter.com/robertburnsAP

     
    • retired vet  •  4 mths ago
      The first rule of war is to define victory...WHY are you going to war and what you expext to accomplish....This is also the most important...Define what victory looks like.

      The second rule is to go in with overwhelming force...

      The third rule...as soon as you win (see rule one) get out

      The tactics can be adapted to the situation, be it 50 year old aircraft, or ultra modern weapons for the grunts, but if your gonna go to war the most important rule to follow is rule one...define victory. Otherwise you end up with endless wars that kill and cripple alot of people for no reason, and nation building is NEVER a reason to go to war.
      • Birddogchief 4 mths ago
        Agree with 1& 2.... But not 3... If you just kick #$%$ and leave, there is a vacuum created that allows for chaos... So I believe rule number three should be : Decide before hand if you are willing to commit to an extended stabilization/ transition period.... if the answer is no, don't go at all...
      • A Yahoo! User 4 mths ago
        Sometimes the real victory will not be seen for years, and at the time it may appear to be defeat, (like vietnam), where the goal was to stop communist expansion, before we have to fight them in our own country. Some may say we lost vietnam, however, what else do you call it other than victory, because it is very apparant now that communism got severely crippled.
      • Thomas 4 mths ago
        That would be included in point one in 'defining what victory looks like'. Winning doesnt necessarily mean cut & run. Indeed any undertstanding of military strategy dictates that a victory comes in many shades it is never predetermined & why defining your terms has to be clear.
    • Sha_booby  •  Minneapolis, Minnesota  •  4 mths ago
      We probably don't need more nuclear weapons but we need to modernize the delivery systems to counter missile shield technology that Russia an China will inevitably develop. We also need to test these old warheads and make sure they still work.
      • Alton 4 mths ago
        Done that already. Maybe 15-20 years ago.
      • Sha_booby 4 mths ago
        Alton - "Maybe 15-20 years ago." Yes my point exactly.
      • concerned 4 mths ago
        But if you test them, they will not work again.
    • Country Commentator  •  Union City, Tennessee  •  4 mths ago
      The reason the U S Air Force should keep it's Strategic Air Command nuclear deterrence is the fact that a bomber can be recalled while airborne. The missiles can not be recalled after launch. The Triad needs all three components. The numbers could be cut in half again without much difference in their ability to deter an attack.
      • Robert Retka 4 mths ago
        Self destruct command.
      • MICHAEL 4 mths ago
        Did you see the movie Fail Safe.A better option would be a self destruct for all missiles and sadly aircraft.Better 5.000 dead than 100 million.See how stupid nuclear war is.
      • Tom 4 mths ago
        Mr. Retka said it well enough. Still, the expense is made once it's blown up. Missles do have a faster response time as well. A varied defense/attack is better than any single form of it, in any event.
    • Bad Timing  •  4 mths ago
      ...as the U.S. shifts from a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan...

      Where exactly are we "shifting" to?
      • Independant 4 mths ago
        We are still in Afghanistan and sticking our nose into countless other counties. Oh and by the way we still have troops in Iraq.
      • roger 4 mths ago
        It's time to come home. We are broke or did you not get the memo.
      • Pat E 4 mths ago
        I got a blank sheet of paper instead of a memo. printer ran out of ink and nobody has the money to buy more.
    • Richard  •  Alexandria, Tennessee  •  4 mths ago
      It's just amazing to me, that no one seems to understand the meaning of the word "war". In a real war, there is only one rule of engagement. Kill'em all and let God or Allah sort them out.. The idea of war is to win and win completely. Then, if there is anyone left, you arrange for them to rebuild and be good citizens of the planet...Two examples: Japan and Germany after WW2. This crap of only shooting when you've been shot at and getting permission to return fire is ignorant and dangerous. One rule...if you go into any sort of military action, totally eliminate the opposition then negotiate with any survivors for their surrender.
      • Gazoo 4 mths ago
        Germany and Japan rebuilt at OUR expense.
      • Dh 4 mths ago
        Gazoo think about it we destroy it we built it just right better than the war inside our country:))))))Richard that should be the mentality not our troops being told what not to do in time of war
      • Tom 4 mths ago
        Makes sense. Last people standing win and get to write the history books.
    • capnblack  •  Portland, Oregon  •  4 mths ago
      in other news the pentagon has placed an order for 100k billy clubs for our infantry, the chineese company filling the order has decided to use balsa wood for this order to save fuel during shipping
    • Chilly Willy  •  4 mths ago
      I like the idea of disposing of some of the nuclear stock pile............ How about dropping them on IRAN
    • Mr. Zzyroringati  •  3 mths ago
      Let's fight all future wars in online gaming
    • sigh  •  Tampa, Florida  •  4 mths ago
      One thing that has always amazed is how the militay always goes with the latest greatest technogical marvel . But what you really need is a weapon that can "loiter" . . .until the enemy comes out. One of the aircraft that Viet Cong feared most . . . . was a propeller driven airplane. Generals don't have to be smart . . . .just the right frat . . . Any technology can be defeated when looked at from a different perspective. Any corn farmer should know how to defeat any motor driven vehicle . .. . I have seen farmers jump off their tractors and go running . . . .
    • Thomas  •  London, United Kingdom  •  4 mths ago
      There is a maxim which holds true if aint broke don't fix it. What is the problem of holding on to kit and equipemt that still works does the jobe is was intended to do, doesn't matter the age if it said kit & equipment still performs & indeed looks to be out performing more modern kits set to replace the old decades on. Another maxim thus applies what is new is not always better. At least it works.
    • TJ  •  4 mths ago
      Dust off your muskets...
    • Danny  •  Ameca Centro, Mexico  •  4 mths ago
      Wonder what the real price tag is on retaining the B52? How many jobs would be lost because of the removal
    • R  •  4 mths ago
      the same thing happened to the roman empire when it was running out of money and new territories to conquer. any empire once it starts cutting the army because it can not afford any more the military expenditure is the sign of retreat and winding down of the whole scheme of expansion.the united states army and people must be prepared for the future where america will not be the dominant military power as it was in the past.the budget deficits , and the economic crisis will go on for a long time , and nobody knows what will happen with the international scene during the coming years.everything is in turmoil and surrounded with uncertainties, and there is nothing anybody can do about the things that will unfold themselves within the united states and the rest of the world.
    • chuckls  •  Durham, North Carolina  •  4 mths ago
      allow every legal citizen,excepting criminals, to carry a weapon, either concealed or out in the open. Now that we are out of Iraq, let`s take care of the `war` at home....illegals,drug addicted criminals,gang bangers, wanna be `gangstas,child molesters etc...
    • bill  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  4 mths ago
      we're gettin' change alright.
    • L0L  •  3 mths ago
      Did anyone read that key piece in the article? Global terrorists aren't detterred by nuclear weapons. As Americans, we love saying "lets nuke them" when someone makes us angry. We're getting to the point where our enemies are no longer countries. Most countries today might be arming themselves to the teeth, but our economies are so interdepenendent and fluid that war between large industrialized nations is near impossible.

      Nuclear weapons were never designed to eradicate human life, they were designed to wipe out the social, economic and military infrastructure of a nation and reduce their ability to function. We can't destroy multinational terrorists who operate on ideology with a nuclear bomb. The modern day terrorist is only a precursor of what's to come. New ideologies will spring, and multi-billion dollar corporate trade blocs will develop their own versatile and flexible private military forces. Should an enemy like that use a nuclear weapon on a city, how would we retaliate against someone like that?
    • creditcollector  •  4 mths ago
      Odda are there likely will be a nuclear conflict within this decade. I'm sure if Lybia had the capability they would have used them. Likely both Syria and Iran both have nukes as they have bought Chinese DF 31 & 41 missles. There would be little point in buying the latter if not having or being close to having nuclear weapons. Bear in mind the world did not have a clue that either the Chinese or N. Koreans were nuclear until they announced that fact.
    • M110 How  •  4 mths ago
      and don't forget one other military weapon from the past...the boots on the ground.
    • Anonymous33  •  4 mths ago
      Good idea, bad idea. There hasn't been a new B-52 built in 50 years, that means all of our much smaller force is 50+ years old and they're talking about keeping them another 50 years! You can only upgrade things for so long then it becomes very costly or technically impossible. Also the more we use them the faster they're going to wear out and there are NO replacements. I know the economic climate is bad but we really should consider a brand new plane to do the same job, perhaps an adaptation of an existing cargo or commercial plane.
    • GGawain  •  3 mths ago
      Give the M-14 rifle back to US Marines and let the other services carry the rat rifle. Marines don't need to spray and pray, they shoot once and save ammo.
      With 20 rounds of 30 cal, a Marine rifleman will have at least 5 enemy dead. Now that is a money saver!
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