#1 Cochran Sports Showdown: April 4, 2021 (Pt. 2)

Watch as Paul Zeise, Mark Kaboly, and Andrew Fillipponi join KDKA-TV’s Bob Pompeani for another round of sound on this edition of the #1 Cochran Sports Showdown!

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BOB POMPEANI: Pirates dropped 2 of 3. We'll get to them in a second. But first, Andrew, I want to talk about something that's been a pet peeve of mine, micromanaging baseball. It's been taken over, hijacked by metrics. Last night, Rocco Baldelli, the manager of the Twins, yanks Jose Berrios, who had a no-hitter through six innings.

If you watched his stuff, he had great stuff at the end, 12 strikeouts. And yet because of pitch counts and everything else that goes through it, he's taken out. I think that robs not only the fans of an opportunity to see something unique, but it also cheapens the game, in my opinion. What about you?

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: This is a real easy one for me. At this point in the year, the first week, the guy that should determine what happens is the player. And so if Berrios says to Baldelli, I'm shot, then I think he should come out of the game. If he's passionate about staying in-- because, you never know, this might be his best and really only chance of chasing history and reporting a no-hitter-- then let him do it.

I mean, unless it gets to a point where he's at 150 pitches or something, and you can make the argument that he's, you know, slowing down or that he's starting to walk guys, you know? But to me, if the pitcher wants to stay in the game there at 85 pitches 2/3 of the way through a no-hitter, he does.

PAUL ZEISE: Absolutely. I think the other thing is it's absolutely stupid. I saw today a bunch of teams had their Sunday lineups in. Because guys needs-- guys need rest after--

BOB POMPEANI: [LAUGHS]

PAUL ZEISE: --you know, two games or three games. I mean, baseball is just becoming stupid because of this. In the minor leagues, they don't get these guys ready. They-- they have kid gloves for all of them. They don't want to build up the arms the way that they need to. They don't want to let these guys--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Paul, you didn't like Michael Perez in the Pirates lineup, huh? You didn't like Michael Perez there for Stallings?

PAUL ZEISE: You know what I mean? I mean, this is-- this is absolutely stupid. I don't understand what we're doing here in baseball anymore. You got to let guys play. You-- you pay these guys $200 million, $300 million. And you don't let them play. It's ridiculous. They're ruining the sport with all of this mess.

BOB POMPEANI: [LAUGHS]

MARK KABOLY: I almost want to give my time back to Paul. Because I sense a really big rant coming.

PAUL ZEISE: [LAUGHS]

MARK KABOLY: And I really--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: [LAUGHS]

MARK KABOLY: --enjoy it. Hey, Paul, how can you tell the Pirates had their Sunday lineup in or not?

BOB POMPEANI: [LAUGHS]

PAUL ZEISE: Well, that's-- that's true. But I'm just telling you--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: That's a good line.

PAUL ZEISE: You know--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: That's a good line.

PAUL ZEISE: --I looked at a lot of different lineups. I took-- I looked at a lot of different lineups. And there were stars that were out. And then you saw, you know, quotes from managers, oh, it's his off day, or his rest day, or whatever.

BOB POMPEANI: Right.

PAUL ZEISE: What are we doing? Give me a break.

MARK KABOLY: You're right. You're absolutely right.

BOB POMPEANI: Hey, Mark, you've got to use 15 pitchers every day just because. And then one day, they'll claim, well, the-- the arms are shot. We have no one to go to. You have 14 pitchers on your staff, Mark, 14 pitchers.

MARK KABOLY: Yeah.

BOB POMPEANI: And yet, they're already overused, which is ridiculous.

MARK KABOLY: And what pitcher in their right mind would say they want out of the game with a no-hitter with 84--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: I know.

MARK KABOLY: --pitches?

BOB POMPEANI: He didn't.

MARK KABOLY: I don't care if it was-- I don't care if it was 20 degrees and you haven't pitched in three years, you're staying in there. It is kind of getting ridiculous. But it's been ridiculous. I mean, the-- the analytics are good for the game, I do think. But it has to be used with some common sense, as well. You don't always have to follow by the book. Although people will say, if you don't follow by the books with the analytics then the analytics will be shot anyways. Just use common sense [INAUDIBLE].

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Well, it cost Tampa a World Series, Mark.

BOB POMPEANI: That's right.

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: I mean, it cost Tampa--

BOB POMPEANI: Kevin Cash, ask him about that.

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Blake Snell, I mean, look no further than that. I mean, come on.

PAUL ZEISE: People that say that don't understand sports. It's the same kind of people who say, oh, well, there's no such thing as pressure. You know, in the ninth inning or the first inning, it's the same. Or, you know, in the fourth quarter--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Yeah.

PAUL ZEISE: --and the first quarter it is. And you know what? People that don't understand that, they should never talk about sports ever again. All you need to do is watch. You know, Bob, you're a golfer. Watch the Masters or the US Open, some of these guys that-- that putt 500, 600 putts a day, right? They're 5 feet away. And they miss it, because of the pressure.

BOB POMPEANI: Right.

PAUL ZEISE: That's the--

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Yeah.

PAUL ZEISE: --problem I have with analytics.

BOB POMPEANI: Right.

PAUL ZEISE: People--

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PAUL ZEISE: --play these games not robots.

BOB POMPEANI: Exactly right.

MARK KABOLY: I'll tell you one thing I love is the analytics experts that says there's no such thing as clutch.

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Yeah.

BOB POMPEANI: Yeah.

MARK KABOLY: Have you ever watched anything?

PAUL ZEISE: Pressure, clutch, same thing.

BOB POMPEANI: All right.

PAUL ZEISE: Right.

BOB POMPEANI: [LAUGHS] It's really bizarre how it's going. And, you know, the bottom line is, we've been brainwashed, essentially, into believing. Because managers say, he can't go this far. And so fans now, they're, oh, he can't go more than 40 pitches here. It's the same brainwashing that goes on with why we can't spend money. Because we're a small market. You have to wait until guys develop.

It's brainwashing to the point where people now will defend teams that don't want to spend. Oh, can't afford that guy. Why? It's not your money. We only have a minute and a half. Real quick, I want to ask you about pitcher today Mitch Keller. Paul, you first. He's-- you know, he should, by now, be a star or at least emerging. He's not. What do you think of him? Again, make it quick, please.

PAUL ZEISE: The thing that concerns-- yeah, the thing that concerns me the most about him is the pitching coach and other people around the team say the reason that they didn't want to let him pitch on opening day is because, you know, it might be too much pressure on him. He's supposed to be their guy. What are we talking about here?

BOB POMPEANI: Right.

MARK KABOLY: I was going to say, if you're going to treat him with kid gloves like this and bring him along slowly, you might as well just send him to the Yankees or the Padres when you send the rest of your team right now. Maybe he wanted to pitch him on his birthday, Andrew, maybe that was it. [INAUDIBLE]

ANDREW FILLIPPONI: Bob, you know, I'm watching that game today. And I can't help but look at Keller. And-- and it reminds me of Tyler Glasnow. I mean, the guy's out there. And you can just see from his body language, his body English, his facial expressions that he doesn't have confidence in himself.

And I don't think the team instilled any in him with the whole way they handled him in spring training. Now, you know, who do you blame for that? I don't know. But it just-- it looks like it's going down a similar path to Tyler Glasnow where the guy is going to need a change of scenery to really reach his full potential.

BOB POMPEANI: Well, hopefully--

MARK KABOLY: [INAUDIBLE]

BOB POMPEANI: --that won't be the case. But opening day--

MARK KABOLY: [INAUDIBLE]

BOB POMPEANI: --has Tyler Anderson as your pitcher.

MARK KABOLY: [INAUDIBLE] if you have to instill confidence in a guy that's going to be your ace, you might as well just move on now. He should be confident regardless if he's pitcher 1, 2, 3, 4 in the first week of the season. That's ridiculous.

BOB POMPEANI: All right. We got to go to break. We'll do it, come back. And we'll talk about one of the best plays you'll ever see in college basketball that happened last night right here on this very airwaves. That's next.

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