Andre Hal's health scare and Raya the Last Dragon

From the health of a former Texans safety to a new offering on Disney Plus, David and Raheel are here with this week's edition.

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DAVID NUNO: "No Layups." David Nuno, Raheel Ramzanali-- that smile. Hello, [INAUDIBLE] how are you?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I didn't want to smile. I was trying not to smile. But it's so hard not to smile when we do the show.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, you just phony smile. It's not real. Hey, so we gotta--


DAVID NUNO: Nobody is as happy as you are all the time. You're like, oh, yay. You know, people sometimes frown. I have that-- I can't say the term on the air. Resting-- but I have resting "that" face, at all times, even when I'm happy. We've got a great show today. Disney+ entering the conversation again because they hit another homerun. We got "The Watch," "Raya the Last Dragon." I think it comes out tomorrow, if I remember correctly?


DAVID NUNO: I feel like we're part of the exclusive club. We got invited to watch the screener. And were we allowed to share it with our family? Because my kids watched.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, I think we were. It'd be kind of weird if we weren't allowed to watch with the family. For those of you that don't--


Yeah. So what happens is, of course, the press sometimes will get exclusive screeners ahead of time. You know, before it was, we would go to the movie theater and watch. And we'd always meet up and watch comic book movies with the screeners. But now, because of the ongoing pandemic, it's sent to you.

And my daughter thought I was the coolest person in the world. Because she's like, wait, I kept hearing March 5. And I'm like, I got you, girl. I got you, girl.

DAVID NUNO: I got you.


DAVID NUNO: I got you.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We watched it and she was glued. She loved it. So we have the director, who's gonna join us a little bit later in the show to talk about it. It took six years to make. That was fascinating to hear, six years.

DAVID NUNO: But why? I would have gotten bored. Here [INAUDIBLE] realize this ain't gonna happen, guys. It's just-- it's not gonna to happen. The other part of the show that I think is gonna be great, we're talking to Andre Hal. And I think a lot of people will recognize him. We traveled with the Texans since forever, right? Channel 13's always been the sponsor for the-- we've been partnered with Texans since day one.

We've seen Andre Hal's journey from being a rookie in the league, to obviously some of his health setbacks, and then his retirement back in 2019. He had another health setback that we're going to get into, and his journey back. And we'll talk to he and his speech therapist as he's gone through just-- you know, when I read the list of the things that he had to go through from memory to balance to slurred speech to difficulty walking, and all the things that he had gone through the year prior in beating that, it's just a very scary time.

But he, of course, a champion as he always is, found a way to fight back. And he's doing great. So we're gonna talk to him on the show today. And I don't know if you heard, there was a press conference this week. JJ Watt no longer with the Texans, obviously, signs with the Cardinals. That was kind of big news, buddy, kind of big news.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Kind of big news that he picked the Cardinals, right? Because we all assumed he would go to a contender. And this doesn't mean the Cardinals aren't the contenders in that list that we thought they would be.

But here's how I see the Cardinals real quickly. I just want to give my opinion on this. They remind me of the LA Rams three years ago, where you've got a nice young quarterback. You have the ability to spend, because you have a quarterback on a rookie deal. They go and make some big-splash free agent signings.

Now the Cardinals are doing it a little bit different. They had the Hopkins trade, which they gave up pretty much nothing. You do have a second rounder in there that people keep forgetting, Ross Blacklock is still part of the Texans. And he was selected on behalf of that pick. And then you've got the free agent signing of JJ Watt. You still have a lot of cap room.

This looks like a team that is just going to go all in for next year and try to figure out, can we get to the Super Bowl a la the Rams? And then we'll figure it out after that. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of cap casualties coming in upcoming seasons. But it's all about next year.

DAVID NUNO: So how do you want to handle this Andre story? Do we want to bring in he and Veronica at the same time? We shouldn't be having a show meeting during the show. But let's figure out the best way to tackle this. How do you want to do it?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I say we bring both in. Why not?

DAVID NUNO: Let's do it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Let's go for it. Let's go for it.

DAVID NUNO: And without further ado, there is former Texan, Andre Hal and his speech therapist, Veronica Garcia-Lechuga. Now you try to say it, Raheel.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. Veronica Garcia-Lechuga.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I didn't have the spice like David Nuno did.

DAVID NUNO: So, Dre, man-- I've been fortunate to cover you since your first day here in Houston, man. And I know what it kind of meant. And the last time I saw you actually was at the Texas Kids Triathlon. You came and made an appearance, talked to a bunch of kids. It's been a minute.

So catch me up. I know you had some health problems early, which you were able to beat. And you had another problem last year that you're still going through. But kind of take me through that journey.

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. So it's crazy, man. This whole situation, what I've been through, it's just kind of weird, man. You don't really hear this too often. But the first time I went through this brain stuff when they diagnosed me with cancer.

So when I was playing football, I had the same kind of symptoms I'm having right now. I had blurred vision. My balance was kind of off. And my speech didn't get affected back then. But I still had the same kind of effects that I had the second time.

But the first time, they diagnosed me with cancer. And I was like, what the hell? How did I get cancer out of all this? It was just a weird situation, how they diagnosed me with cancer. It was a weird situation.

So I didn't even believe it at first. I didn't believe it at all. I was like, what? I can't have cancer. Cancer is serious. That's a real serious disease. You don't just clear the cancer cells. When they told me I had cancer, I was like, no way. I feel good. My body feels great. It's just my head is kind of messed up right now.

So going through all that crap, it just kind of made me feel like, OK, what's really going on? What's really the cause of all this stuff that's happening to me right now? It was weird, man. The doctors couldn't tell me what was going on. Nobody could tell me what was going on.

They just kind of threw stuff on me. Like, are y'all sure about this? Is this really what's happening right now? Or are y'all just telling me anything? And I just was like-- I didn't understand what was going on.

So I was really just nervous about it. Because I was like, man, what's really going on with my brain right now? 'Cause it was a weird situation. So I was just like, let me try to do all I can do to fix myself, to get myself right.

So that's why I started doing a lot of research about the brain and just about different things, so I could help myself out. Because the doctors couldn't do much for me at that point. So I just kind of went on my own to find out what I could do and what I couldn't do. So that's what it was.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Andre, for you of course being around the NFL-- and there is more of a focus now on concussions and CTE. There's more discussion about it, frankly. Was that something that you thought, oh, my god-- I'm still playing, could this be CTE related?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah, definitely. That's what I thought it was in the beginning. In the beginning I thought I had CTE or something, like something was going on with my brain. That's what I thought it was at first. But then they came out and told me I had cancer. And I was, like, what the hell? Where did cancer come from out of all this stuff?

Everything going on in my brain right now, nothing really happening with my body right now. It's all with my brain. So let's take care of that first. But they told me I had cancer. And then I was like, OK, what to do now? And that's when I started doing all the other stuff too. So I basically kind of healed myself, basically.

DAVID NUNO: Andre, help me understand then. So the cancer was separate to what you were going through. But in the beginning, they thought they were connected? Am I understanding that part of it correctly?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. They thought it was connected because with Hodgkin's Lymphoma, it doesn't go past the shoulders. So that's what was confusing. I'm like, how do I have Hodgkin's Lymphoma? It's my brain that's really messing up right now. Let's just take care of that first. But they just kept on saying Hodgkin's Lymphoma, Hodgkin's Lymphoma, Hodgkin's Lymphoma. But I feel great. My body feels good. I'm doing everything. I'm still working out. I was still going to practice every day. I'm still doing everything I'm supposed to be doing.

But they just told me-- the cancer came out of nowhere. That's why I'm like, why cancer? Cancer's a serious disease. I know people with cancer now. I talk to them. I talk to people all the time with cancer. And I give them tips about what I did and what I didn't do.

Those people are really having a hard time with it. And I basically beat it in a month. It was just a weird situation. The whole thing was weird to me, man. I was like, what, now it's gone? It was just a whole crazy situation, man.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So we've talked to you about the journey, beating it, getting back onto the field, then your retirement. And then last summer, you're dealt another card of, hey, Andre, buckle up. You've got to go through this. What happened last summer?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. Well, one day I woke up and I couldn't really walk. My leg was real limp. I didn't have any power in my legs. I'm like, what's going on? And then the next day my speech starts slurring. I started slurring my speech a lot. And I couldn't really talk right. And that happened for two days in a row. And I was like, what the hell's going on? I hope it's not happening again.

So I went to the doctor and they told me-- I got an MRI. And they saw the stuff in my brain again. It was the same stuff that happened the first time. I was like, man, this can't be happening again.

So I was like, OK. What I'm gonna do now? And I'm thinking like, OK, well hopefully they don't tell me I got cancer again. Because I really don't want to go through that shit again. My bad, I don't mean to curse.

DAVID NUNO: No, that's OK.

ANDRE HAL: But we don't go through that again. But they didn't have any cancer-- they didn't find any cancer this time. So they just dealt with the break situation. They gave me some steroids. I took steroids for like, three months. And that kind of brought the inflammation down.

And then I went to the doctor. Her name is Dr. [? Ahne. ?] And she recommended me to go to TIRR to get my balance back, my speech back, just different things I could work on to kind of get my life back together.

Because the stuff that was on my brain really kind of affected my brain, and kind of was affecting my motor skills and stuff like that. That's why I had to go to TIRR, to kind of build that back up again. And kind of-- my memory was kind of bad too. I couldn't remember anything. It was a weird situation, man. It was very scary.

DAVID NUNO: Andre, taking inside what you're thinking, your emotions, you find out that there was something wrong with your brain. You've already beaten cancer. You're scared that could be another possibility. But you find out it is up here. And how are you handling that and your family and those closest to you?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. Well, my mom, my mom kind of spent most of the time with me. So she went to all of the doctor's appointments with me. And she kind of kept me balanced. Like, OK, well-- you definitely gonna be OK. I wasn't feeling bad, just my brain was kind of messed up at the time. I didn't have any other symptoms but the stuff that was going in my brain.

I didn't have any pain. No, I wasn't having any stomach pains, no pains like that. I was still kind of fine, but just my brain was just kind of tripping right at that moment. I wasn't really scared. But I was kind of worried about what I was gonna do about it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: At that point you are, I mean, deep into life after football. You're pursuing other careers, you're starting to get your certifications, all that great stuff. And then you get hit with this. So like a pro athlete and the champion that you are, you just tackled it, right? Like, OK, let's go. What's next? Where does Veronica come in?

ANDRE HAL: When Veronica came in, I was kind of at that tail end of it. I was starting to recover from the brain stuff. I was starting to recover from it. But she helped me so much just by teaching me different techniques about remembering stuff and just helping me with my speech and stuff like that and helping me with different-- we did different-- not games, but different activities to kind of help my brain reboot. I guess I had to reboot my brain, because it was all kind of jacked up at that moment. So I had to reboot my brain back. And she helped me with that a lot.

DAVID NUNO: Veronica, are you stationed with TIRR or with Memorial Hermann?

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Yes. I work with Memorial Hermann TIRR. I work in the Challenge Program, which is basically a department within the Outpatient Therapy Center. And so we work with patients that want to go back to work and school.

DAVID NUNO: Take me through that process. You're introduced to Andre, a professional athlete playing the biggest games. And obviously the work ethic's gonna be there. But just kind of take me through how you guys met and you worked through a plan for him.

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Right. Well, honestly, when I heard that he was a Houston Texan, I was a bit intimidated because I didn't know what to expect. So I'm expecting this big athlete, and along with the athlete attitude. I'm like, I don't know what to expect.

But then as soon as I met him, I realized that he had that positive athlete mentality that he just wanted to work. And he said from the beginning, if I don't feel this therapy is not going to help me, I'm not going to come.

So initially, I was a bit nervous. I thought, hmm, I don't think he's going to come to therapy. Because usually what happens is when our patients are doing well physically, sometimes the awareness isn't there at the cognitive deficits.

And after the first session, he realized that, hey, maybe this speech therapy stuff can work. And so what we worked on was very functional tasks. Because he's very smart, we wanted to make sure that we could capitalize on his intelligence and make sure that he got back to being where he was from a cognitive perspective-- being able to work on his short-term memory, high-level attention skills.

And I was just impressed with his recovery and his ability just to come to therapy every session. So usually we have patients that aren't the best with attendance. But Andre had perfect attendance and kept coming back and kept coming back. So that impressed me and everyone on his team.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Andre, that's that pro athlete mentality. You can't be late for meetings, right? You gotta show up early.

ANDRE HAL: Definitely, definitely.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You don't want to get yelled at.

ANDRE HAL: I grew up in that environment. So that was like my life though. That's just who I am.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So when you started going to the sessions after the first one, we heard the story. But for you, when was it? Was it a month in, two months in, where you noticed that, OK, I'm starting to get this back-- that brain reset is working?

ANDRE HAL: Probably after two weeks of it, I start feeling better about-- actually, when I first started going, I didn't really want to go. Because I thought I was fine. Like she said, I was fine. I'm thinking, I'm good. I don't need this. I'm fine. I'm walking again. I'm talking again. I thought I was cool, so I was like, I don't need this right now.

But I'm glad I kept going, because it really did help me kind of build my brain back up like it needed to become. I'm actually back in school right now, getting my MBA. So I just needed that even more. So she really helped me just basically helping me remembering stuff and basically being able to speak again and stuff like that. So it really helped a lot.

DAVID NUNO: Veronica, I'm listening to him here and he sounds normal. I would not imagine that he had to go through speech therapy. How was it when you met him, and he said he felt normal, to how much progress he's made? Take me through that journey.

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Right. So intially, the main deficit we noticed was his reduced processing speed. Basically meaning, if you were to ask Andre a question, it took him a while to process the information. So that was the glaring deficit that we saw on his evaluation.

His speech, when I saw him, it wasn't as slurred. But it just took him a while. He was just very slow in coming up with those quick spontaneous answers. And that was the biggest improvement, honestly, and then his short-term memory.

So one of the things-- I don't know if you all know. But Andre's actually working on a book. And so one of the things that we worked on is having him do a PowerPoint presentation. So that was his final exam, so being able to use all of his strategies. And he did a lovely PowerPoint presentation, basically detailing how to publish a book. So Andre has a book that's going to be coming out at the start of football season.

And so that's one of the things that we're really proud of, as far as his journey. And he basically did all the work. So he made my job very easy. He was very diligent and had that athlete mentality of just never giving up.

And so I thought I was doing the therapy. But in actuality, Andre gave me therapy. So it was just very uplifting for me and all of us that worked with him.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Veronica, let me ask you a quick question about people that are watching. Look, this last year has been stressful. It's been crazy. We've lost so many people.

And one of the effects from this is you're at home, you're on your phone more. You're just not-- you're not getting that brain stimulation of being in the office. Have you seen anything like that with cognitive function with just normal people, that there's been a decline-- or even with the impact of smartphones?

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Yeah. Well, one of the things we just really want to focus on is just that interaction. I know right now, even this interview, right-- it's being done virtually. But that human contact is important. So a lot of times we tell our patients, even if it's through virtual communication, you want to keep that social communication.

We haven't seen any cognitive decline just from that lack of socialization. But there are studies that are done that-- for example, patients with Alzheimer's and cognitive deficit, you see that decline when they retire-- not because they'd stopped working. But if you think about it, your job is very social where you interact with people. So that social contact is important. So even if it's done virtually, that is helpful.

DAVID NUNO: Andre, where do you think you are right now? And also, let me rewind a little bit. How did you do school? I mean, that just seems like a lot on your plate?

ANDRE HAL: Well, I took the fall semester off, because I was going through all that stuff. 'Cause I probably wouldn't be able to do school while I was going through that. So I took the last semester off.

So I'm back now and I'm feeling pretty much the same like I felt before all this stuff. I'm pretty much back to normal now. I'm probably about 99%. I'm feeling I'm back to normal now. I'm doing my schoolwork. I'm doing everything on time, writing papers, doing stuff like that. So I think I'm pretty fine now.

DAVID NUNO: Let me jump in there--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's great, man, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: Can you-- physically, do you feel the same too, like if you had to go shut somebody down, you could do it?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. I just finished working out today. And I was like running like 19 miles per hour on the treadmill. So I'm feeling pretty good. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nice, there you go, Andre. OK, so what's harder-- a speech therapy session, a training camp practice in the Houston heat, or writing a paper-- and like a tough paper? What's been harder? Rank 'em.

ANDRE HAL: Dang, man. I'm gonna say writing the paper first, and then doing training camp in the hot Houston heat, and then the therapy session, definitely.


DAVID NUNO: Veronica, spare us for a moment. But, Andre, nobody is listening right now. It's just us talking, right?

ANDRE HAL: Mm-hmm.

DAVID NUNO: What happened to our Texans man? What the heck happened to our Texans?

ANDRE HAL: Man, you know what, man? It's a shame to see that happen to the team I played with. You know, I mean, I hate to see them like that. But it's all from the-- it start from the top, man. If the top not right, it's not gonna be right. So I guess the owner and all the people at the top didn't really run the team the right way, man, and it just kind of started falling apart.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What is your-- do you have any moments or stories with Jack Easterby? Because as fans, we keep hearing this name. And we've never interacted with him. He's more behind the scenes. But as a player, did you have any interactions with him?

ANDRE HAL: Nah, he got there after I retired. So I don't know the guy. I heard a lot about the guy. I never met the guy. I don't know anything about him. I just heard stuff about him.

DAVID NUNO: Andre, so you obviously went through real life things, things that really matter. What happens on the football field obviously matters in an entertainment and a sports perspective. But sticking in that world, Deshaun's not happy, JJ's gone, DeAndre got traded. These are legends for a city and a franchise. Have you had any contact with those guys, and just your thoughts about where they are?

ANDRE HAL: Nah, I haven't talked to any of those guys. But just like I said, what's all going on from the top, man-- your best players don't really want to be there no more. So that has something to say about what's going on at the facility. You know what I mean? Something wasn't right with those guys to just leave like that, and want to leave like that. So I guess they just gotta get it right, man. It's a shame.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What was your experience with Cal, if you had any moments?

ANDRE HAL: Yeah. I had a couple of moments with Cal. He was a cool guy. He never really like-- he was just kind of laid back, kind of quiet. I didn't really talk that much. I never really talked to him that much. But he was a cool guy.

DAVID NUNO: Veronica, let's circle back to just kind of round out the interview. How proud are you of this young man who has fought through so much adversity in the last few years and hes over here finishing school?

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: To tell you the truth, I'm a very emotional person. And just listening to him talk right now, it's an improvement even from when he finished the program. So just your processing speed-- Andre, I'm quietly assessing your speech. And you're doing wonderful. I'm very proud of you. And so as a speech therapist, of course, I'm emotional. I want to cry, but I won't. So I'm very proud of you and just your willing spirit.

ANDRE HAL: Thank you.

DAVID NUNO: Veronica, I'm trying to get it out of you, so please cry.


VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Well, now I'm laughing. Now I'm laughing. I'm very proud of your hard work.

ANDRE HAL: Thank you.

DAVID NUNO: And, Dre, just some final thoughts, man. You fought through it all. Hopefully, it's all behind you. What's in the future for Andre Hal? We know a book, we know finishing school, but I know you got some big pictures too.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah. So I'm very excited about the book that's coming out. I think it'll really help a lot of people, me just telling them my story, just how I went through my life. And I think it'll help a lot of people. And just going through school, that's helping me kind of build a better business mindset. I've been playing football all my life. So I didn't know anything about business.

So just to return from the NFL, it was tough. A lot of guys retire, but they don't know what to do. It's just hard to find something to do. Because you've been playing football all your life. So it's hard to maintain another lifestyle after football. Because you're just so-- 'cause football takes so much time from your life that it's all football at that time.

So just to kind of transition from that, it's really been-- it hasn't been too hard. But it's been kind of tough on me just transitioning from football. Because that's all I ever known was football.

So I'm trying to break up in going to school, doing some real estate, doing different things like that to help me to the next level of my life. Because football is not everything. So I gotta take my life to the next level. And just going to school is helping me out. Doing different things is helping me out. Doing the real estate is helping me out a lot, just trying to find my way of like, my new life now.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's awesome, man. You're one of our favorites. And if you ever need anything, just you know, hit us up any time. It's awesome to see you tackle every challenge that life has thrown your way and just dominate it, man. It's great.

ANDRE HAL: Definitely.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And, Veronica, great work. It was nice talking to you as well today.

VERONICA GARCIA-LECHUGA: Thank you so much, everybody.

DAVID NUNO: Thanks, guys. We'll hopefully talk to you soon. And, hey, come on "No Layups" when we talk about the book, all right?

ANDRE HAL: Definitely, definitely.

DAVID NUNO: All right, man. Have a good one--Andre Hal.

DAVID NUNO: Thanks for having me.


ANDRE HAL: Thank y'all.

DAVID NUNO: Good stuff there. I enjoyed that conversation a lot, man. He was always one of those guys in the locker room we'd just go talk to, because always very polite. There are some guys that don't want to talk. I don't know if he wanted to talk, but he was always very accommodating, always had a smile on his face. Kind of like you, Raheel, always got a smile on your face.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: He was one of my favorites. You know, we've kind of hinted at this before. With the Bill O'Brien era, it wasn't the easiest in terms of interviews and access. But Andre was always accessible, whether it be in the locker room after a game, after a tough loss, a good win, or even for radio interviews. He always was willing to do stuff.

And he's just a great person to talk to and just a great story. I can't wait to read the book and talk to him about the book when it comes out. I mean, this is a guy who was-- you know, when he was playing, that dude laid it all on the line. I loved the way he played.

And then you get hit with, hey, you have cancer. And then like, well, I'm not gonna quit football. I'm gonna beat it, come back. And then you've gotta retire. And then you get hit with the cognitive issues afterwards. Man, it's just-- it's awesome to see him conquer everything.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, I do want to talk a little bit about the Harden situation from the last night of the game. And we obviously want to talk a little Disney+ and probably close out with a little "WandaVision." But I was just thinking to myself the other day, I really thought Bill O'Brien was an OK coach, horrendous after a while of managing playoff games, managing a roster.

And I thought magically, when Bill O'Brien left the Texans, our problems are gone, baby. Here we go. Maybe they'll get a media-friendly coach and they'll start winning on the field again. And unfortunately what has happened is that the real issue-- it's like the real bad guy in a Marvel movie, right? You get through one guy, you think, ha-ha, I got him. But then there's Thanos. And unfortunately, Cal McNair-- he's not that Thanos. Look, we don't even know, because we don't know inside the organization what is happening-- from Littlefinger to Thanos, all these things that are happening.

But Bill actually looks better now than he did five months ago. And he still was atrocious. He was still responsible for training DeAndre Hopkins. He is still part of the perception of the city, the relationship the fans had that JJ alluded to, where the city was part of Bill O'Brien's fault-- was part of his issues. But there's so much of a bigger issue behind it that he looks better today.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I don't know. I don't know if he looks better, 'cause those moves were still made. You know? They were still really bad moves.

DAVID NUNO: But he wasn't the only problem, I guess is what I'm trying to like-- I kind of thought, magically, poof, it'd be gone.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. I think the problem, if I had to address it-- like if somebody asked me, hey, Raheel, what do you think is wrong with the Texans? And I'll say that it's Cal McNair is being taken advantage or being sold on a vision very easily. Right?

Like, somebody's coming up to and going, hey, we don't need Brian Gaine here. Hey, I got this. I can do this. Hey, this guy's-- you know, he's not doing this or this or that. Or we don't need Rick Smith here, this and that. All these different things that have happened, it just seems like he's easily sold by a person.

And look, for me, you want to work for somebody that believes in you, that gives you the access to do what you want without a lot of oversight. That's great as a worker. But as a fan, it's horrible. I want somebody to check somebody. Because you can't just have somebody running amok. Because if you do, that's what happens with Bill O'Brien. The team is left in a horrible place in terms of drafts, in terms of the cap, everything. Everything was so poorly handled, that's what happens.

And it seems like Nick Caserio is a guy who has a firm grip on everything. But there's still somebody behind the scenes that is still making a lot of calls, it seems like, in Jack Easterby. I would say it's just-- Cal is-- I don't want to say being taken advantage of, because that's not the right way to say it. But maybe a step below that is just he's easily manipulated.

DAVID NUNO: So I don't have an answer. But I was listening to "Lopez and Landry" on Sportsradio 610 on the way in. They were talking about the tail end of it was, who's gonna be the starting quarterback next year? And I honestly-- I really have no clue.

I don't know if we know what kind of GM we have in Nick Caserio. I don't know if we know the kind of draft capital they could get for Deshaun Watson. I don't know if they're really gonna play the waiting game with Deshaun. I don't even know if that's the right move.

That's the ego in me. If I were a GM, I'd be like, I ain't trading you, Deshaun. And I'd probably get fired later, for the record. But like, it's my team. I had nothing to do with it. Then you got people like Louis Riddick out there talking like, if I were the GM, I would address it. If he tells me it's beyond me, then I'd trade him. And I know you're more on that camp. But like, I have zero clue who could be the Texas starting quarterback. Could it be AJ McCarron? Could it be one of the kids that they draft? Could it be--

Tret Dilford [INAUDIBLE]?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Could it be Tua? Could it be Tua? What if they do a trade with Miami and Tua comes over? We don't know because we need the biggest domino to fall, to predict who will be the quarterback.

DAVID NUNO: Do you think we will know five weeks from today? This is April 11, Sunday, April 11. The only reason I know that day is for a different reason. We won't get into it. Sunday, April 11, do we know if Deshaun Watson's a Texan or not by that point?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yes. I think we will. That is also, I want to say, two weeks before the draft, right? The draft this year is late April, if I remember correctly. I'm gonna say, yes.

Because by that point, you're gonna have to have a trade in place. And the reason I'm saying you have to have a trade in place is because, you're starting to look at what you're gonna do with that high draft pick hopefully. So we'll know that, hey, the Texans are leaning towards one of the quarterbacks in this draft class.

DAVID NUNO: Well, and maybe they don't make a trade by that point. Maybe they wait till the first day of the draft. I looked it up, it is April 29th, I believe I just saw. Yeah, Thursday, April 29th. But at that point, if they start scouting. I don't know why I did quotes. There's no quotes.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Scouting? It's just scouting.

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE]. Scouting. Again, you're really scouting. If they're scouting quarterbacks at that point, that kind of tells you, OK, they're acting like they're not going to trade Deshaun Watson. There's a part of me that's like, I'd just move on. And there's a part of me that's like, I'd never move on from Deshaun Watson. I'll be a psycho ex-girlfriend and follow- or ex-boyfriend, follow Deshaun everywhere.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm with you. And I want like-- I want Deshaun here, because I know how hard it is to find a franchise quarterback. But just the human dynamics in all this, he's never going to be happy here. He's never going to be happy here until he's out. It just seems like that's the decision that he's made. He and his camp have decided like, hey, we're good, we don't want to be here. And that's fine, like that's his decision.

Even if you convince him for this season, is this issue going to happen all over again when they only win six games next year? Or eight games next year and missed the playoffs? Or let's say they get hot, they make the playoffs, but then they get blown out in the first round. Is it always going to rise up? Like this, I just want to be out of here.

And that's the human element where I'm considering, that I think it will, because I've done this before. When my mind is made up, I don't want to be in a place or I don't want to do something, I don't want to do it. And if you're going to force me to do it, I'll do it. But guess what? I'm not happy doing it and I'll find a way out.

DAVID NUNO: I see what you did there. I see what you did there. That's very well-- very well played. I'm going to go through some NFL starting quarterbacks, just to kind of give everybody a sobering realization what the future probably will look like without Deshaun. Deshaun Watson, as great as he was, was responsible for a four-win team last year. They're only a zero-win team without. I don't know. But I'm gonna-- some names that are actually pretty good quarterbacks, they're not that good. Starting quarterbacks. Daniel Jones, hybrid draft pick, hasn't done anything, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, it's been a mess over there too.

DAVID NUNO: Drew Lock, nothing, does nothing for me. Mitchell Trubisky, terrible, right?


DAVID NUNO: Al Smith, journeyman. We all love him because of all the stuff he's gone through. But could he be your quarterback for a year or two? Sure. Tua. I can't say his last name, so I just say Tua.


DAVID NUNO: Is that how you say it? Tagovailoa? That's it? I said it?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think that's it.

DAVID NUNO: Tagovailoa.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm pretty sure that's how you say it, because I practiced it.

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE] I dig this. Yeah, that's perfect. The lady from-- sorry, "Suicide Squad." Excuse me. Tua-- he's done nothing in the NFL for me. Has he for you?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, he's had moments. He's shown some flashes. He's also coming off a pretty big surgery in Alabama. This is his first full year. He's healthy this off-season. I'm not low on Tua like a lot of people. I think he still has something special. I think one more year of, hey, getting ready for a season without injuries, playing a whole season without injuries, or any issues from the hip. I think he will be a pretty decent player.

DAVID NUNO: I'll give you that. But I don't like the situation with the Dolphins anyway, because I don't think they're going to get a good draft half from that beyond this year. Next quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo, not very good. Everyone was very high on him, took the team to a Super Bowl but did he? Did he really? Or did the 49ers defense really take them there?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Their run game was fantastic that year, so there is that. Absolutely.

DAVID NUNO: Sam Darnold, he could be your quarterback next year. Not very good, sorry.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Not very good. Good bridge quarterback though. I think he's-- potential to maybe do something, a great bridge until you find the right guy.

DAVID NUNO: I'm more doing this exercise just to show you, these are all the kind of quarterbacks you might end up drafting, because this is what you get unless you hit the lottery, right? This is what you get out there. Continue on with this list. Cam Newton was amazing, then he became terrible.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And now he's going to be poor, because he's not-- he doesn't have a job according to a kid at a-- You saw that, right? The kid at his camp? It was such an ordeal because this kid at a 7-on-7 camp, they were recording, you know, on the sidelines. They were all just messing around.

And some kid just went hard at Cam Newton basically saying, you're not starting quarterback anymore. You don't have a job. You're going to be poor. You're poor. And Cam Newton is like, I'm rich. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm rich. They addressed it, everything's fine now. But yeah, that's why I made that joke.

DAVID NUNO: By the way, I can't stand Cam's hats. Jalen Hurts. I'm a big Jalen Hurts guy, and it's because of selfish reasons. I've seen the kid grow up, I've done interviews with him, I love him. I'd say he's a TBD. Is that fair? TBD?


DAVID NUNO: There's a lot of these that are still TBDs. Ben Roethlisberger, 100 years old, doesn't count. Teddy Bridgewater, he was the promise. He didn't do anything really, right?


DAVID NUNO: But I mean, I like him. But he hasn't done anything. Derek Carr had a year or two that was pretty good.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: He had a decent year this past year, looked a lot better than his previous years. But he's not, I mean, he's a franchise quarterback because of where he was drafted. He'll keep you afloat and win you some games. He's not a game changer, in my opinion.

DAVID NUNO: No. Baker. I like Baker and I don't like Baker. I think the jury's still out on him, but he's got some very high moments without a doubt in the NFL. I mean, hey, maybe the Browns were on the way to those playoffs without him, but he was a part of a team for what, was it over 20 years?


DAVID NUNO: Jerry Cobb, traded, took a team to the Super Bowl. I think he is a pretty good quarterback that had a rough year. But maybe he was a good quarterback because of the system he played with, and the coach that he had. But these are the kind of guys that are out there, or were out there available at one point-- Philip Rivers, old Joe Burrow, TBD, Kirk Cousins-- guy who wins nine games every year and doesn't do anything beyond that. I'm just gonna read these real fast. Drew Brees, retiring, we think. Justin Herbert or "A-bear," whatever you want to call him today.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: "Her-Bert," yep.

DAVID NUNO: He's great. I like him a lot. Matthew Stafford, great numbers, hasn't done anything in the NFL but did play for a bad franchise. Matt Ryan was an MVP, was great. But he's also not done much. Kyler Murray could be your next Texas quarterback if you believe fake Twitter. They're not going to trade for each other.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: They're not trading him.

DAVID NUNO: Tom Brady, we know he's the greatest ever. Lamar Jackson. So now we're getting into the-- but you see how long it took to get people that actually like move the needle? And all those quarter-- most of those quarterbacks, not all, were like top five, top ten picks.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm with you. And that's why it's-- when you have one of these guys, that is a game changer. I get it, look, you can look at it both sides, because I've heard the sports radio argument of, well, Deshaun only won four games, so how good is he? And then you peel back the layers and you go, yeah but, he was on a team that had a lot of issues. It was a season where you basically punted after four games and said, yeah we're good, we're firing our coach.

It's just a free for all now. We had culture issues, all that stuff. Even with that, they were in four games that came down to a yard or a final possession. If they win those games, I get it, it's a big if. You beat the Titans twice, you have six wins. You beat them-- you get that Browns win, you get another big win against a playoff team. Even with all of that, a Deshaun-led team was still right there. It's not like-- they're not the Jets. They're not this pitiful team that wasn't even competitive. They were competitive in a lot of games--

DAVID NUNO: Because of Deshaun.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Because of Deshaun. Absolutely. If you are making the argument that they only won four games and all that stuff, then you're doing a disservice to everybody by lying, in my opinion, because it wasn't his fault.

DAVID NUNO: No, but let's play sports radio guy again, on digital TV stream thing that we do. I haven't really broken down the numbers. Eyeball test, how good was Deshaun in the first half? How good was he playing catch-up all season long?

Your numbers sometimes are inflated when you play catch a ball game, and you have no running game. Well yeah, they had no running game, so he had to throw and they knew it was coming. But when you have to throw, your numbers are going to be higher, right?


DAVID NUNO: The defense was atrocious. Maybe, as bad as they were, I gave more positions to Deshaun as well. There's a lot of ways you can slice it up. This is probably the most sports we've talked on a sports show in the history of our relationship, by the way. This is a lot of sports. I'm getting a headache.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I know. I know. I'll add one more thing to this. Yes, the numbers. You know, you go look at some garbage time numbers and they're coming from behind. That's just what it-- that's the sign that he was on a bad team. This was a really bad defense.

This was an offensive line that did not perform to what we thought they would. This was an offense that lost their number one receiver. And yet he continued to put up numbers, whether it be garbage yards or all that stuff. It still comes down to, they were in competitive games because of him. Not because of anybody else. Because of Deshaun.

DAVID NUNO: If-- last thing on this. Outside of Patrick Mahomes, you put any other quarterback on this team, what does it do to your win total for the year last year? Do you go up one? Do you go down two? You can blame anybody from Tom Brady, to Tua, to whomever. What is the difference, in your record, if you put another quarterback on the Texans not named Deshaun Watson, outside of Patrick Mahomes?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: If we start the season and play that game, I don't think-- yeah, I don't think Bill O'Brien's fired four games in. But they probably lose all four. Like they were outmatched in all four games. They didn't have the talent there.

DAVID NUNO: For which quarterback are you saying? Are you saying like if you got--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Let's go Tom Brady. Let's go Tom Brady there. Let's go Tom Brady. The Ravens game, maybe they win that one. Maybe that's one you can flip, because that game was pretty close in the second half, right? It was OK. You're not winning that Kansas City game, you don't have the talent to compete with them.

It's not all Deshaun, it's not all the quarterback. That team just was severely outmatched when it came to talent. And that goes back to moves, when you put a coach in charge of becoming GM that doesn't have a track record, that's what happens.

DAVID NUNO: Right. Let's stay along these lines and talk about "Raya the Last Dragon." Same-- just-- Raya-- [INAUDIBLE]


DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE] --of the shot, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: A lot. It's pretty much the Deshaun of Disney+ movies.

DAVID NUNO: Pretty much. It's like Raya is the key to the next level. Did we already tell the whole story by saying that?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, you can't. No, I think it's a-- that's like trailer level spoilers. I think you're OK.

DAVID NUNO: She's the key.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: She's the key. We had a chance to speak to the director about making the movie, being part of that process. We're going Hollywood pretty much. Your boys are like, we're big time now.

DAVID NUNO: I mean it's like, there were Siskel and Ebert, they were pretty good. They had a good run. Now there's Nuno and Raheel. Do you like it when I say Raheel and Nuno? Or do you like Nuno and Raheel? What sounds better like--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Raheel first all the time. Raheel and Nuno is way better.

DAVID NUNO: I think Nuno and Raheel has a much better feel to it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It does. It does have a better-- it has a better ring. But you get last name, I get first name, which is weird. We got to be consistent. David and Raheel doesn't sound as good as Nuno and Raheel though.

DAVID NUNO: By the way, not to give too much information about this, because we have a lot we could say about this interview process. You'll see it's a very long five minutes and 29 seconds. Did they call you Rachel when we first got on to the interview, because I heard, and Rachel's on with us now and I'm like, Rachel, is there a new co-host? Did you hear that or no?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I get Rachel all the time, so they probably did. All the time. All the time. I hate when people call me Rachel, because when I was in elementary school, middle school, it stopped in high school. On the first day, every teacher would look at my name and go, OK Rachel Ramzanali. And I'm like, man, now everyone's--

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE], but they can say Ramzanali.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, they would always-- Ramzanali they would get correct. But Raheel, because it's a name that you don't see that much, so you just assume it's a misspelling of Rachel. And I'm like, aww man, now everybody's going to call me Rachel. And sure enough, everyone will call me Rachel for the rest of the year.

DAVID NUNO: Take a look at this production value with "Raya and the Last Dragon." And our interview with the director.

Carlos, really looking forward to talking to you. Talk to me about this amazing project. I watched the movie last night. How was it to be involved in something that looks like it's going to be a huge hit for adults and children?

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: It's hard to believe. I hope that people embrace it and get to love these characters and the story as much as we do. It's been surreal. I can't-- I still can't believe. I have to pinch myself.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Carlos, one of the things. We're big sports guys. One of the cool things, when we get a chance to talk to directors and head coaches, I like figuring out like how do you operate, right? Because with head coaches, there's some head coaches that like to be really hands-on. And then you've got some that are really like empowering other people. How do you do it as a director?

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: I think it's a little bit of both. Disney animation has a very particular way of building their stories. It's very collaborative. It's usually a team of filmmakers that is in charge of all the creative decisions in the movie. But we work with a team of storyboard artists, we work with a team of designers, with a team of writers. It just feels like a big creative family that is constructing this movie together.

I think it's a healthy blend of both of those, like knowing how to be certain and make decisions quick. But then also knowing how to empower others, because we work with upwards of 500 different people who are putting this movie together. Giving them the space and the creativity to allow them to do their thing, I think is also necessary.

DAVID NUNO: Because these kind of stories, the likability factor of the characters goes such a long way. How do you go about connecting-- and again, I think it's about both. The youngsters that are watching, my kids watching last night, and to the adult, to really connect with these characters. The father, the Dragon, the-- everybody involved.

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: I think that there is no secret formula. I think really what we try to do in all of our meetings, whenever we're building these characters and these stories, are just to start from a place of truth, to start from a place that we can connect to. And I think by doing that you're really opening up the door for people to have the same kind of connection to these characters. I feel like that's-- first and foremost, the thing that we look for is just truth. And that gives you relatability. I feel like that's what makes the movies feel so universal.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Now, Carlos did you have for the inspiration of this, and continuing that inspiration during this journey, did you have somebody in mind or did you go to something to keep that inspiration?

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: The story is based on the many cultures of Southeast Asia. And from-- I mean, the project has been going for about six years altogether. Early in the process, many of our artists got to go on research trips to different countries in Southeast Asia. Then from those trips, we put together a group of consultants, cultural consultants, that stayed with us through the rest of the journey.

We call it the Southeast Asian Story Trust. And they were with us as we were writing the script, just checking all the pages, checking all the designs, the characters, then eventually the edits. They essentially became key collaborators, just in making sure that our inspirations were authentically coming in for us in our movie.

DAVID NUNO: When you're making a film like this, at what point does it click? Oh my goodness, we've got something here. We've got something that's going to go beyond what my initial expectations were.

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: Honestly, I think it happens relatively late in the process. It probably happened about two months ago, when we were finally seeing the whole thing together. Once the music came in, once the final sound work came in, and the final picture, because that also just takes so, so long to finalize the renders and do the final lighting touches. I would say probably six, seven, eight weeks ago.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's awesome. What will be your lasting memory from this project?

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: I think the way that our team came together through the pandemic. And the fact that we were all so scared of how it was going to affect us. And if we weren't going to be able to put the movie together. And we did. And we're so proud of it. Everyone keeps saying that it's the most gorgeous movie that has come out of Disney animation. To know that we did that under such adverse circumstances, I think just fills us with pride and just-- It really brought us together in a way that nothing else could have.

DAVID NUNO: Carlos, talk about Disney and the ability to tell a story. I mean, I'm a Disney employee. Everything they do is so out of the box and so amazing. Just the fact that they gave you the keys to this, and the opportunity to tell this story.

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: Yeah. As I was mentioning earlier, it just-- it feels like a dream come true. I grew up watching these movies, being very moved by. I think, my creativity and my imagination is the direct result from all of the animated-- all of the Disney movies I saw growing up. Getting to be on the other side, and knowing that our movie has a potential to inspire a lot of people and to develop so many peoples' imaginations, it's a really powerful feeling.

DAVID NUNO: Carlos, we appreciate it. We love the movie and we look forward to sharing it with the rest of the world. Thank you so much.

CARLOS LOPEZ ESTRADA: Thank you. It was very nice to talk to you both.

DAVID NUNO: I think I was the better interviewer in this one. I think if we were doing a grade, I would get the A, you'd probably get a B minus.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Why? Aww man, I thought I-- I don't know--

DAVID NUNO: No, you nailed it. You nailed it. You nailed it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I always ask logistical questions in all of these. I love logistics. I want to know like, how do you manage that many people?

DAVID NUNO: I ask more "Lifetime" network type questions that kind of are for the entire scope of our audience. So "Heezy," since we're on the Disney+ train, "WandaVision," getting ready for the finale. Tonight it comes out, right? Technically midnight-ish, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Midnight, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: I probably won't watch it until tomorrow night, but are you excited? Or do you have any-- should we spoiler warning in case anything comes through? I am amazed about the amount of people that are watching this show. Not because I don't believe, but like there are people who are not superhero fans, that like got on to it and are like, hey man, like--

And everyone's had a very similar response, first two episodes like-- it's kind of weird but I kind of like it. They're like, man, that storytelling is dope. They're actually using that, even old ladies. I have so many thoughts to who could appear. I don't know if we should say that. We probably can't tell, but we can guess who's going to appear. There's going to be-- someone is going to show up, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, that's because when Elizabeth Olsen did that interview, she said that there is a holy whoo moment. I don't want to spoil the other show she referenced, because that reveal was so great in "Mandalorian." But it's on that level.

So like now, that changed my whole perspective of the show. I'm just constantly waiting for that reveal. Who is it going to be? That's all I care about now. And that sucks, by the way, because with "Mandalorian," I focus on each episode. It's a story. Where is this going to end up? And the reveal was just out of left field. It came out of nowhere. It was fantastic. This one now, I'm waiting for it.

DAVID NUNO: Two things. First off, we don't know if she meant the finale, because it's very possible that she meant Pietro. Very possible. Secondly, I think most people, on social media at least, always hate a finale. It doesn't matter what the show is.

And this is not the finale. We don't know. Will they bring "WandaVision" back? This might be just a one season kind of idea. Let's go back. "Seinfeld," at the time, people hated the finale. "Sopranos," I think was kind of split on-- Did you watch the whole "Sopranos" thing or no? Or are you not a "Sopranos" guy?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I watched-- I didn't like the "Sopranos." I didn't-- I'm not a "Sopranos" guy.

DAVID NUNO: You don't like good stuff. "Sopranos," people were split with that. "Breaking Bad," a lot of people were very disappointed with the way Walter White went out.


DAVID NUNO: I thought it was great. "Game of Thrones," I have never seen so many spoiled TV fans in my life. I liked the "Game of Thrones" finale. Would I have liked to have seen some things different? Sure. It's just a BLEEP show. I enjoyed it. There's a lot of people-- one of my favorite shows of all time, which I doubt you ever watched, "The Shield." Did you ever end up watching "The Shield?"

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nope. Featuring Sean Pendergast?

DAVID NUNO: Michael Chiklis, my good buddy. We had him on the hockey show. Were you on that one when we interviewed Michael Chiklis?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I wasn't there but I remember it. Yeah.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, that was like my Nicky Jam back in 2009. That was like-- I was so proud of that interview. I got BLEEP Michael-- You know who emailed me or texted me immediately after that interview with Chiklis?


DAVID NUNO: Mark Vandermeer. Vande, if I remember the story correctly. I'm going to get a bad email if I get it wrong. I believe he was in a band with Chiklis in college, or something like that. I need to ask him. Yeah, but they knew each other like 20 years ago. And he asked me for his contact number. I was like, yeah, don't have it.

People complain about finales. I think that is just like-- we live in a world where you're-- what catches steam on social media is usually the negative opinion. I expect a lot of, oh, it didn't live up to "The Mandalorian." "Mandalorian" was a phenomenal finale, and I think maybe because we didn't expect what we saw. This one, I think people are expecting too much, which means it probably won't reach what they want. But the storytelling has been amazing, the way-- you're searching something. What are you searching?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: My computer is like acting up, so I'm trying to figure this out. And I don't know why. I don't know-- can you even see me right now?

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, I can see you, but I can always tell, and I know you can too. Or you're not paying attention fully, you're like searching. [INAUDIBLE]

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, I was just trying to fix this. I was like, why is my computer all of a sudden just going like dark? That's why I wasn't sure if I was even on.

DAVID NUNO: How many times in an interview-- and be honest. Hopefully, our bosses aren't listening. Do you space out for a few seconds like, oh, I forgot to do the laundry. Or-- does that ever happen to you?


DAVID NUNO: I feel like you're very focused on what they're saying, you're hanging onto every word.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Not-- Yeah, during this show, I'm like all in. When I was back in my sports radio days, when you're interviewing some beat writer from Baltimore or beat writer from Des Moines like, yeah, I would space out, like ah. I was just-- it's so funny.

I think one of the worst things listening to radio, and a lot of shows as well, is people just don't listen. I think people just stop listening because-- and you'll hear it like on radio, whether it be sports radio, music radio, anything, talk radio. You'll hear the guest say something, and the interviewer will ask the same thing, like the same question.

DAVID NUNO: It's happened on this show, buddy. It's happened.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, I know it has.

DAVID NUNO: And then I'm hoping that my question like-- I can always tell by the way they respond like, oh, I think Raheel already asked that. But I don't like-- it's not that I'm not listening, but we are multitasking sometimes. We're typing a text to each other, hey, two minutes. I'm researching a stat so I can ask a question.

What's the name of the last Nicky Jam's album? I don't remember. Google, Google it. Nicky. No, I didn't do it with Nicky at all. I didn't do it with Andre Hal at all. But I really felt you were typing a little bit when I was talking and not paying attention. I'm just telling you buddy to buddy.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I was. No. And I admit it. I was. I absolutely was. But going to your season finale, people are never happy. I think there's some of the, well, this show is now over for a year or maybe it's a series finale. There's also some of that angst and anger from that as well.

That, I think you have to kind of put into the discussion. Because you've already allocated so many hours, you've invested so much time. And if it doesn't live up to the hype, you almost feel like, well, I put all this time in and now the season's over or the show is over. That's not fun.

And I think the other thing about "WandaVision," because we haven't heard anything about it being renewed for a second season. People are kind of like, hey, what is going to happen with the show, as you mentioned. We think it's a one-off, unless it does so well that it becomes a second season show. I think there's that as well tomorrow.

DAVID NUNO: I've got some insider information. My insider information-- I've got deductive reasoning. I don't have any insider's.


DAVID NUNO: This is what I think. I think Disney+'s strategy-- This is just a thought, I kind of lied about the insider information. I think their strategy is these shows to help complement movies, and become a vehicle to the next big fate of a movie. I think one season was the plan. Just like-- I don't know why "Winter Soldier" and-- "Captain and the Winter Soldier." I think these are potential other seasons, but they're more to get you to the next phase.

"WandaVision," this serves as a purpose or a vehicle to get us to "Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness," or whatever it's called. And "The Spider-Man," which obviously is going to have a multiverse idea. I think that's how it's connected. But since the show did so well, one of two things I believe will happen. They have to do another season of "WandaVision," but what is the inspiration this time with they settle this, because I do-- I have a belief that Wanda is going to be bad at the end of the show. That's just my thought, but we'll see.

The other thing is Monica Rambeau, not the biggest of characters, but she has become such a likable character in this show. They have to kind of flesh that out a little bit. I'm sure in the next "Captain Marvel" we'll get to know more about Monica Rambeau and her-- Maybe she gets her own show and that's the spin off from "WandaVision."

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Same thing with "Mandalorian," right? We're all anticipating that season three of "Mandalorian" is going to be-- the "Mandalorian" it might be Boba Fett, because [INAUDIBLE] did really well in the second season. Now it will follow the takeover of Boba Fett. And we saw that final scene in "The Mandalorian." You're right, look-- you have [AUDIO OUT] playground at Disney+.

DAVID NUNO: So your internet's not going in very well at the moment, just full disclosure. I think it's time to call off the show. We are reaching an hour. Andre Hal, phenomenal, great interview. I appreciate his speech therapist Veronica joining us there from TIRR. She was great too. And I'll probably flush out-- I like the term flush out. I'm going to flush out that story a little bit on television as well. I'll give a condensed version of our interview there for Greg today.

But the whole interview, obviously will be-- And I really think it's one of those that people need to go back and listen to. All of it, because there was a lot-- I mean, that's some scary stuff he went through. Very happy with that one. Also, just our talk with "Raya the Last Dragon," which by the way, that's not the name of the show. We've called it "Raya the Last Dragon" several times. You know that, Raheel?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: "Raya and the Last Dragon."

DAVID NUNO: "And the Last Dragon." Not "Raya the Last Dragon." "Raya and the Last Dragon."

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: "And the Last Dragon."

DAVID NUNO: I call it the dragon [INAUDIBLE]. It'd be like Rocky and Balboa. All right, buddy.