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A breakdown of Deshaun Watson's latest legal act

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Amy Dash, a legal analyst for national sports radio broadcasts, breaks down why Deshaun Watson wants to identify his accusers.

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DAVID NUNO: But you guys, I'm happy we got ourselves a hot day in Houston. With the Astros back in town we've got the two little buddies going at it here on the left. Hello, Raheel.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What's up, man, how are you doing? It's a-- it's-- it is a happy day. It's great. We've got Houston Astros baseball returning to Minute Maid Park with fans, with fans, man. I can't believe it. It-- it seems-- look, it's only been a year, right? Last season obviously, we didn't have any fans in the stands. But it feels much longer.

DAVID NUNO: Now, it-- it does. But then you look back at how life was exactly a year ago today. There were so many questions, right? Like at this point, I believe last year we thought we-- most of us thought we're going to die, right? Like because we didn't know the severity of-- of the-- of the virus. And you can still die from it, I'm not minimizing at all. But we have learned to jump through as many hurdles as possible trying to get life back in order. For us, sports.

I mean, if you look at the last-- we didn't think we'd have a college football season. All right? We just finished college football and a college basketball season. We had a weird NFL season, a weird NBA bubble this year the restart, and the Astros actually had a shortened season this year. They expect an entire season. It's-- we're trending in the right direction, even though all these numbers now with this the British variant if you will, is apparently more deadly. So, you know, I just follow the recommendations that people give us, that doctors give us and-- and take it from there.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, absolutely. And I think every day as more people are vaccinated and we trend to that direction as well, then we can hopefully get back to whatever the new normal is. Because it'll never be normal again, right? Like we're always going to be kind of on edge about it and certain people are-- for a lot of people like normal was just normal, like things never change, right? Like everyone had a different approach to this.

But for the-- for the public, man, it's going to be interesting because we've got 50% at Minute Maid Park, the NFL teams across the state and across the nation are saying that they expect 100% capacity. Now, will there be masks worn, right? Like is that just the new normal for a couple of years with the NBA. Are they going to open it up for the playoffs maybe. Are they going to open up more of that capacity with the Astros, as well.

Will they open up more as more people are vaccinated? Is just-- it's interesting to watch how teams are handling it, states are handling it, stadiums on a-- on a game by game basis almost it seems like. So that's the next thing to watch for in the sports world.

DAVID NUNO: I got-- we got a packed show by the way. Brian McTaggart going to join us then maybe we'll talk some Astros with him. We've got Amy Dash, legal analyst. Really enjoyed our conversation with her. We'll play that for you guys here momentarily. And we also got Jill Weatherhead Dr. Jill Weatherhead from the College of Medicine, kind of help understand all these things going on in sports.

There was a report I believe in the Washington Post, you sports are now, you know, responsible for these outbreaks. There's also-- I'm doing the Ironman this week in humble-brag, how safe is it for me? Is that going to be just the cesspool of COVID just all in the ocean at the same time. Ironman 70.3, the real Ironman people are like is that where I am 70.3,

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Within the half one, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: The half. Not excited about it. Again, humble-brag I used to look forward to this day all the time. I look forward to it this year.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You sound-- this-- this seems like something you shouldn't do by the way. Like you--

DAVID NUNO: I'm not ready.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And you're not ready. You have had a-- you've had an attitude about this in that you know you're not ready. And like as an athlete, when you know you're not ready, that's when you're going to have-- you're going to have a horrible day out there. And you're going-- and you're going to beat yourself up about it, that's what I'm worried about.

DAVID NUNO: 100% I'll bit myself up.

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But a couple of things. Not that anybody cares about my training load. But I always beat myself. I've never thought that I am ready for Ironman There's never-- and I think most triathletes will tell you they go into it thinking man, I could sure use another month of training.

For me, is I tried a different philosophy this year for a couple of reasons. And before Brian Jordan, I'll make this quick. I broke my foot in May of last year. Why? That was a long time ago, right? So it shouldn't affect me today. But how it affected me today was that I had no-- I wasn't able to maintain a certain level of fitness. Then when I did get healthy I did no cardio at all because I was completely focused on strength training until December when I started my Ironman training.

But then I got COVID and I was out for a real training, like not fake training. I worked out a lot but real training probably about three weeks of real training. So everything was kind of delayed. So my volume this year significantly lower than it's ever been in the four, five years I've done Ironman so that's why I feel like I'm not ready. But I am stronger than I've ever been doing it so that my help me not break down.

But I-- I'm not going to PR this one. There was a certain year that I trained for--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And that's a personal record by the way, for people that are watching, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: --in the circle. So, and nobody cares. Like I just don't wanna like die in the ocean. I don't want to crash and I cannot allow baby Juan to have a better time than me because I'll never hear the end of it. Unless I get an injury, right, that's definite.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. He's doing it too for sure?

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, he's doing it, yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh gosh, please don't let him. And for those of you that don't know, the reason I never joined David and our good friend Juan in any of these anymore at least, is that I have this fear that Juan who, if we have to do an athletic ranking amongst the three friends here, he would be in third place across every measure of athletic ability, right? I just don't want to finish behind him in anything. There's no shame, like if you beat me in something I'm like, dude, Nuno is a beast, it's all good. If Juan beats me in something I retire.

DAVID NUNO: I will tell you this, Juan is a different Juan. He still looks like-- what's his name from the Jimmy Kimmel show?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Uh, what's his name, oh.

DAVID NUNO: You did a jig with him.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I know. Why am I-- and I saw him last night, I was watching the Jimmy Kimmel show.

DAVID NUNO: Guillermo. Guillermo, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Guillermo.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, Guillermo. He still-- he still looks a little Guillermo-ish, right? But the guy is running, I mean, when we do these long-distance runs he is right there with me or-- or ahead of me a lot of times. He is put on about 10 pounds of muscle, He's actually like RC's got some muscles coming out, I still don't want his body. But I mean, he is-- he is not his weight. I think he's going to kill it this year with the gap.

I've always like-- it's not even the same ballpark. Like we got a guy we work with, Justin Sternberger who tells you he does it in like 12 minutes. He really takes about five hours, but like I'll never be in this league. He's a legit endurance athlete. I'm a fake one who doesn't just look a certain way, it's all aesthetics, it's all vanity, it's all terrible reasons for doing it. But that's why I do what I do, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's perfectly fine. And so let me-- so we got Tags joining us. I'll leave you with one thing. I've-- I've always liked running, right? Like you know this, I can run and keep a good pace and all of that. And I've been playing basketball, I track exactly how many miles I play and all that. I've got a virtual run next Saturday that's only a 5K, and I'm dreading it. I'm dreading the fact that I have to do a virtual 5K, and that's only 3.1 miles.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, but you-- you're fast. You've always been fast, you'll be fine. You'll probably set a PR, still getting PRs. Is there a first time I had to tag on-- it's this the first time Brian [INTERPOSING VOICES] What's up, Taggs?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Hey, guys, what's going on.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What's up, man?

DAVID NUNO: Hey, man.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: First time-- first time, my first time here.

DAVID NUNO: OK. We-- we appreciate you joining us. So we're super excited about today. I'll be out there live getting ready as the Astros home opener here. Just tell us, man, like the start of this season, I don't know if anybody is surprised but they sure look like that Astro team has forgotten all the stuff that they've had in the past.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Yeah, they look like a completely different team. Not by the way they're playing but just by the way they're carrying themselves. And I think we saw that in spring training too, you know, too they were smiling. He looked miserable last year. You know I think it weighed on Brandon pretty heavily. He looks like he's more relaxed.

I think last year was just a difficult time. I mean, they got the spring training and boom cameras were in their face, they were apologizing. Fans were booing loudly. It was a lot to take in. They had a new manager. It was just a lot. And I think it really weighed on the guys out on the field. But, you know, that's the year in the past now and they certainly seem like they're a different team.

They're-- they're back to, you know, playing fun baseball and they're playing with energy and passion and-- and the results on the field have been outstanding so far through-- through six games. So to me the big key was whether those four key guys their four starting infielders would bounce back. And, you know, long, long way to go but they're off-- they're off to a great start.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Do you think there's going to be a second wave of like dealing with this as they start hitting more ballparks. Like they've already hit the West, right? And the Angels and the A's are going to do what they're going to do in terms of their fans booing, throwing trash cans, and all that stuff. But as they make their way across more ballparks, do you think that this is going to weigh on them a little bit more?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Yeah, absolutely. This is not going away. I mean, I think every fan base pretty much has been waiting for this moment for over a year. The stadium's not going to be a fun place for them to play. They're going to go there later in the season. Yankee Stadium is always a hostile environment. You remember the playoffs in 2017 they lost all three games there. And I have never seen an environment like that.

It was-- it was a hostile environment a tough place to play. That's only going to be worse. I'm sure Boston's not going to be fun for them either. But I don't think they care anymore really. I mean, I think, you know, what does it matter. I mean, they get booed or cheered or you know, at the end of the day, they went out there and scored a bunch of runs in Oakland. And I don't remember who tweeted it but somebody tweeted the Oakland fans were booing the wrong team.

So they sure had been booing the wrong guys just probably as they were playing. But, you know, they're going to have to deal with it all year. Maybe next year, you know, it's not there anymore. But there's only five players on this team who were on the World Series team in 2017. They're starting infielder McCullers. So and they're, you know, as long as those guys are around I think they're going to hear the boos.

But what doesn't make sense to me is when Brantley gets booed or Yordan Alvarez, you know, who was in the Dodgers organization at the time. So stuff like that just doesn't make sense. But yeah, you know, I-- you know, the fact that they're home now they, you know, they're going to get a nice reception at home.

DAVID NUNO: Right. You see a scenario where Carlos does sign a deal during the season. I know he had that self-imposed deadline, but, you know, sometimes these are negotiation tricks.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Yeah. I don't think he will. I mean, the Astros say that their-- their window was open. I guess, maybe they-- what if they called Correa up and said, OK, we'll give you 300 million and he's going to say, OK, I'll sign. But I don't think the Astros are going to give that kind of money. If you look at what Correa said at the end of spring training, he said the Astros told him they don't give out long contracts or huge contracts and they really haven't done that.

I mean, their biggest free agent signing under the Jim Crane era has been Josh Reddick 4 years 52 million. I mean they did extend Correa for-- I mean, Altuve for 151. They extended Brantley for 100 but I think Correa wants way more than what they're offering, 125. Looking at his comments, he's compared himself to the other shortstops who are going to be on the market that he was going to be the youngest on the market.

He thinks he's a contemporary of Lindor who got 341 million. I think it's got be closer to that in Correa's eyes than 125. So I don't think they're anywhere close, I don't think they'll resign him. When he hits free agency other teams get involved. The Yankees are probably going to be in the market for a shortstop.

I mean, there's going to be a few of them out there. But I certainly think this will be his final year in an Astros uniform. I just don't think the Astros are going to go where they want him to go financially. They didn't do it for Gerrit Cole, they didn't do it for George Springer, and I don't think they're going to do it for Carlos Correa either.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So you're saying I made a huge mistake by getting the Carlos Correa World Series Jersey in 2017 and not the Altuve one because Altuve is not going anywhere for the most part now, so thanks. Thanks Tags, now have to go throw away the Correa jersey.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Maybe get a marker and just change the number and the name, you know, but I don't know. You still got a year to wear it, so.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I know. So let me ask you this question, OK? This is a fun one for you based on everything you've seen and this is extensive data now, six whole games, OK? Across the league and with the Houston Astros, if you have to put money on it, are you going to pick a most valuable player in the AL from the Astros roster or I'll give you the rest of the AL and the field, what do you think is going to happen?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: I would probably take the rest of the AL. In fact for the season, I had tabbed Shohei Ohtani as the MVP because he was going to play more. And assuming he stayed healthy, and so far he's off to a great start, I just thought if he played a lot more, and it looked like Joe Maddon was going to play him more.

And we saw him in the lineup as a pitcher the other day, which was great. Then I thought that he could put up some huge numbers. And we've seen him hit one of the hardest balls of the season. We've seen him throw one of the fastest pitches. And I just think that guy just does stuff no one else does. You know traps are going to be there. In the end I do think Bregman if-- you know, I'm very high on Alex Bregman. He almost won it a couple of years ago, I do think he's going to be in the MVP chase once again.

But if you're going to give me everybody else and then you're talking about maybe three or four guys on the Astros at the end of the day, I'm certainly going to go with everybody else. But I think Alex Bregman is going to be in the MVP race, of course, Ohtani. So many great players in the American League. You know you got Abreu with the White Sox. So it's going to be definitely a fundraiser for sure, Bregman will be in the middle of it.

DAVID NUNO: Brian, and the years have changed and you've been covering Dusty Baker here with the Astros. What-- what strikes you other than him just being a very nice guy, like he's very likable obviously. But what strikes you about his-- the way he approaches his job?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Well, I think he's very much a, you know, he's just the-- the grandfatherly figure that the players can pop into office and he's playing some cool music. And he'll talk to them about, you know, hanging out with Bill Walton or, you know, some-- some somebody back in the day when he was with the Dodgers and get some stories. You know, I don't think he's as hands on as AJ Hinch was.

He's pretty much, you know, delegates, you know, lets the coaches do the coaches thing and then, you know, you can come in his office when you really need him and, you know, so far I think the players have responded to that. It's-- it's easy to see why the Astros hired him. He's really removed from the scandal. He wasn't here in 2017.

Great reputation with the National media. Everybody loves him and you can see why. He's. Just a, you know, fantastic guy to talk to and be around, loves to tell his stories. Been doing it a long time and has had a lot of success too, so he's obviously doing a lot of things right. But you know he's still shooting for that elusive World Series Championship. And 22 years of managing has not got there.

Didn't win one as a player, has not had a chance to win one as a manager. So he had a great shot last year and fell short and, you know, I think he's got another shot here with the Astros if they can keep this going.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Man, it's going to be awesome. If that's the sendoff for Dusty that they win this year and that's a wrap on a career, that's-- that's baseball, man. It's like the perfect story and-- and they have a great shot, what's their biggest weakness you think as we look at the future of the season?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Well, probably pitching depth. But, you know, a lot of teams have that. You can't have too much pitching. You know you look the first time through the rotation, Zack Greinke goes six innings and seven innings and no one else really comes close to completing five innings. That's a concern. I think those guys got to pitch deeper in the ball games.

Hakidi and Aviera colors-- Hakidi and Javier have not thrown a lot of innings in the season in their careers, and really neither has McCullers. I think his-- his career high might be 150 innings. So you're going to be asked in 3/5 of your starting rotation to go places that it has never gone before. You know how's that going to hold up coming up to season when they pitched, you know, less than 70 innings.

Overall he's going to be a nice signing because he's coming back next week. And then Framber, who knows when he'll be back. But that gives you some depth. But I think pitching depth is their number one concern. I thought going into the season also like I said earlier will their fourth core players on the infield, will those guys bounce back. So far they have. Bregman's off to a hot start for the first time in his career.

Altuve looks like he's back at his level. So far Gurriel already has two, three head games, did not have a head game last year. Bregman, Swain are really good bats. So not as concerned about them if I'm Astros but it comes down to pitching depth. But pitching is always something you can address later in the season.

They have some arms in the minors they can call up. They can go make a deal with the trade deadline if they have to, so they're on the boat with everybody else. You've got to get more pitching. But they're going-- they're going to need some of their younger arms and the colors to go deeper in the games. And then later in the season, pitch more innings than they've ever pitched in their lives, and you have to wonder how they'll respond.

DAVID NUNO: Right. Last thing for you, you mentioned the Yankee environment a couple of years back. May 4th they're back there in New York, what do you expect to see from that, that atmosphere there for the Astros?

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Yeah, it's going to be wild. I'm not sure what the capacity is in Yankee Stadium. I-- I think it might be 25% at this point. So I don't know if maybe they'll bump that up just in time for the Astros. But, you know, the Astros have knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs three times here since 2015. And of course, right up the 2017 season, you know, they did it and-- and I think, you know, that's probably going to be their toughest environment, I think.

When you talk about the whole cheating scandal and booing I think Dodger Stadium's is going to be up there as well for obvious reasons. But Yankee Stadium is a different place. So they're going to go there early in the season and get it out of the way. Maybe they'll face Giara Colo that would be a fun story line as well. But most definitely going to be some must see TV when the Astros are up there in the Bronx for sure.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's going to be so good. All right, Brian, before you go. Give me a tidbit. Come on.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Wow, you caught me off guard with titbits.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, I need a McTaggart titbit.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: You need a tidbit, wow. You got to check Twitter on that one because I've-- I've not had a time to prepare the titbits yet. So if I have one for you I'll be happy to share it. But let me think. No, I got nothing.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, it's fine we'll check on Twitter, it's OK. I just wanted to see if you had a tidbit like ready to go.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: No, I do not, sorry, no.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Way to go Raheel, a way to ruin our friendship with Brian McTaggart.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: Oh, no.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You're the best man, you're the best, Brian.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: All right, guys.

DAVID NUNO: Appreciate you, man, take care.

BRIAN MCTAGGART: All right. Talk to you. Talk to you later.

DAVID NUNO: Yes, sir. Brian does a great job. We've known him since we started doing our shows together back in the day '07. So it's great to talk with him. Look, I'm excited about being out there. It's weird. Like I remember last year I went to-- obviously the first few games at Minute Maid Park and I was live there. And it was so surreal to do all my work in an empty, empty stadium. This is not going to be your traditional, you know, opening, home opener, right?

But it's gonna-- it still gonna have some extra butterflies for this. This should be fun, this should be a good time in the way the Astros are playing. Now, obviously Oakland back in town, it's going to be fun.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Do you think we get any Mike Fiers appearance today or this week, anything. I mean just a relief, any-- anything. Do we ever see Mike Fiers pitch against the Houston Astros?

DAVID NUNO: No, they're protecting him. He's in the Witness Protection Program.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: They have to be, right? And I said that like when-- when all this came out my first thing was like man, there's no way Mike Fiers is going pitch against the Houston Astros again. There's no way. Like they will find an excuse because it just seem-- it's obviously personal, right? Like he-- he ruined everything and rightfully so. The Astros cheated by the way. I don't want to make it sound like they didn't cheat, but they did cheat.

But him snitching and going to the media or to the athletic and then acting like it was weighing on him like that the-- that was the part that bothered me. And it seemed like the players were also bothered by it. And I was like there's no way he's ever gonna pitch against them because there is going to be really personal.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, no. I-- I just think he should have pitched and moved on, right? Like the Astros are kind of-- they-- they have-- look, they haven't-- the league has not moved on from them completely, right? But it certainly doesn't feel at this point like it felt last year when they first started playing, right? And obviously there's no fans in the stadium but I think it hasn't died down per se, the hate is still there. But maybe the level of volatility is not as bad as it was. And I think that's where we are.

So hey, let's do this. So obviously, the Deshaun watch the story. Not only is it a, I can't say it's a difficult story to cover but there's a lot of layers to it. I've-- I've always maintained since it first came out I'm withholding my opinions on it because I just need more information. But obviously, there's enough information right now for the companies to make moves. We saw what Nike did, with HP obviously said that their-- their partnership with him ended at the end of the season, they have no plans to move forward even Beats by Dre, all these things.

So we had a great legal analyst Amy Dash join us earlier today to kind of break down where we are right now and I can go on and tell you just listen.

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DAVID NUNO: We're joined by Amy Dash, legal analyst. You've heard her on WFAN, seen her all over the place. She's been all over this Deshaun Watson story and Amy welcome to No Layups. We appreciate you making some time for us.

AMY DASH: Thank you so much. I'm excited to be with you guys.

DAVID NUNO: So I don't even know where to start with Deshaun, right? Like every day. Like we talked about maybe doing this interview yesterday but every day there's been a new layer so. Far today knock on wood nothing crazy, how-- how did we get here legally I-- I feel like Buzbee strategies kind have been all over the place but very effective.

AMY DASH: Yeah, well, I hope-- I had hoped you weren't going to say there was something new that I had missed today. So yeah, I guess where-- where we've left off is that there is at least two women filed police reports. So originally, it was hard to tell if that was part of Buzbee's strategy because he was filing civil suit after civil suit. And then he was getting a lot of criticism from the public about why weren't these women filing police reports, understandable if in the beginning they felt intimidated.

But at this point if it's becoming so public, why would they still not go to the police department? So then he said he was going to cooperate with-- with HPD. Then he said he wasn't going to cooperate with HPD. And then all of a sudden the women went on their own to file police reports and he claims that he is cooperating with other investigative authorities. So I feel like his strategy has really flip flopped a lot depending on what the hot take is in the media, and what the public pressure is.

Even the other day he put a defensive post up on his Instagram sort of explaining that-- whether there was hush money, that the settlement that he had attempted to make months before he filed the suit. He was explaining that and defending that. So I feel like he's very sensitive to the public scrutiny.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Can we go back and talk about that hush money. And just based on your experience, is it uncommon or common that in a case like this or any case that you try to settle, right, before you file anything. So it really wasn't hush money as much as hey, let's just take care of this and we all move on?

AMY DASH: Yeah, there could be other reasons for wanting money. The victim may not want to go public especially with such a high profile athlete or may not want to testify and go through a trial. But they might want some sort of compensation for what they've been through. However, the problem here is that when they did file the Civil lawsuit and people didn't know that they had asked for $100,000 or whatever they claim that it was, they said that they weren't asking for any money, it wasn't about the money.

That they were filing the suit and asking for $500 from the courts and then it comes out that they had asked for $100,000. So it was a bit of a contradiction that people were picking up on and I think that's why they got suspicious.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So could-- could it be that OK we started this whole thing like hey, we do want these damages, the settlement 100,000. We filed the first one and then according to Buzbee more victims, alleged victims, came forward and then it turns into OK, so there is a pattern of behavior and maybe we just want to stop Deshaun. Is that possible that that's what happened or is it still kind of contradictory? And I'm just generally confused about it, that's why.

AMY DASH: Yeah, no, I agree. I don't know that I necessarily have the answer. Because maybe at one point in time the woman felt that she did have to put a monetary number on what had allegedly happened to her. And then that was what she wanted to make herself feel whole. And then maybe once they rejected that and they had to come out and file the lawsuit, then they were like well, my Avenue now is justice for the courts and through the public and through the media to expose this person if he, in fact, did it and so maybe she changed her course.

DAVID NUNO: Amy, I think everybody around Houston is very aware of Rusty Hardin, great reputation, is that every sporting event-- I do question part of his strategy. Let me ask you because I don't understand legally. He is saying that this is all consensual, at least that's one of the initial points that he made. If it is consensual is it then prostitution though? Because you're paying for a massage service that turned into something more or am I misunderstanding the way it could have gone?

AMY DASH: If it was consensual and they were paid for the sexual act and not the massage then it would be prostitution. However, if there was a massage first and they were paid for the massage. And then after the massage it turned into some sort of sexual thing because they were attracted to each other, if, in fact, that's true, that would not be prostitution.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. And then the other question that we are getting online is--

AMY DASH: Oh, you know what, I'm sorry. I should say. But if they were forced to perform the sexual act, if they were coerced into performing the sexual act and paid for that when they thought that they were coming to give the massage and in fact forced into sexual exploitation, that would be forced prostitution. It would even potentially be human trafficking.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That-- that's next question we, yeah I want to bring up is, we get this a lot, is if Deshaun Watson is flying these women in or anything like that, does that turn into human trafficking or sex trafficking?

AMY DASH: If you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and if you meet the legal elements. So there are a lot of legal elements you can meet. But at its most basic, you would have to recruit, or entice, or transport the woman. So you don't have to fly the woman in, but if you did and you paid for it for the purpose of sexual exploitation, that would-- that would classify. Or if you just recruited her or enticed her domestically, that would classify as long as there was some sort of force, coercion, abuse of power.

You know Tony Buzbee is talking a lot about how these women, the majority of them were single mothers who were dependent on their income and their profession to support their families. So that would be playing up the idea that Deshaun Watson was abusing his power against a vulnerable population. That would fall within the legal statute of human trafficking if the end goal is sexual exploitation.

DAVID NUNO: Amy, if you were talking to Deshaun, what kind of advice would you give him or somebody in his situation?

AMY DASH: So I can't give legal advice. Say that I [AUDIO OUT] haven't been any yet that you plea them down, especially since a lot of the charges would probably be misdemeanors for indecent assault. You plead them down right away if you're offered a plea deal. And then potentially on the civil side, you might want to settle if you have the money to do so even if you didn't do anything wrong just to be able to move on with your life.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So today, I--

AMY DASH: Let's not play me advisor to Deshaun Watson.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. So I do want to bring this up. Rusty Hardin did release a statement today. And I'll just paraphrase it. Basically, it was a motion to get the identities revealed of those who are filing the lawsuits right in Buzbee's camp. So that-- how does this impact the future of these lawsuits?

AMY DASH: So he wants the identities because they want to know-- obviously, they want to put a face and a name to the Civil suits. But also then they can send their investigators out to sort of look into the backgrounds of some of these women, to look at their Instagram pages for example, which is where Watson contacted most of them and see if they were advertising anything other than just massage. See if they're legitimate people, licensed people, people who have not made threats on him before. Though you would think that Deshaun Watson might have most of their identifying information if he had contacted them on Instagram.

DAVID NUNO: I know that Tony was careful how he worded it the other day. But the Texas part in this equation, are they somewhat enablers in this? Could they be proven that way? I mean because we hear about the massage table. I don't know how that plays into this

AMY DASH: I think it's a stretch. However, what he was saying is that legally if one of the employees referred one of these women for a massage to Deshaun Watson knowing that he was-- had the purpose of sexually exploiting her, if, in fact, it's true, then potentially they could be liable if he did that, you know, while he was on the clock an employer is always liable for their employees actions while they're on the clock.

If they're using massage tables or other equipment from the facility and the people giving it to him know what it's for and they know this guy is not really looking for a massage, if that's true and he really just wants to sexually exploit people, then they could potentially be accessories if a crime took place.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. Based on everything that we've seen and also surrounding the cases with Deshaun Watson's sponsors pulling out now, or not renewing his contract, everything, what do you think happens with this Deshaun Watson sexual allegation cases?

AMY DASH: It's really hard to speculate. But I think we know there's a police investigation. We know there's an NFL investigation. So I think if there are criminal charges, he probably goes on the commissioner's exempt list until the NFL concludes their investigation. And then they decide whether to suspend him and whether to allow him to play at all depending on the outcome of any type of a criminal case.

If there are no criminal charges it becomes a civil lawsuit issue for him with all of these women. And even Antonio Brown who has a civil assault, a sexual assault lawsuit pending got back on the field. So it really depends. But the number of women coming forward maybe from a purely PR perspective, the NFL may want to do a really lengthy suspension if they find that there's enough evidence to support the allegations. It really all just depends.

I mean, I could speculate but I speculated before and with the Deandre Baker situation people thought that he could be going to jail for the rest of his life if he was charged. And like nothing happened because this crazy twist came out, where they found that the lawyers were doing things that-- that was potentially improper and everything like that, so--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What about legally, do you-- what about legally. Do you think Deshaun Watson and Rusty Hardin just end up savling all of these or are we going to trial?

AMY DASH: Well, Tony Buzbee put in the lawsuits that they have reached out and tried to settle. So maybe they are trying to settle it. It depends on if Tony Buzbee's clients want to settle.

DAVID NUNO: It's an amazing story that I don't think three months ago any of us would have thought about it. And it's-- it's amazing with all the stuff that was happening before this, Amy. All the talk of him wanting out of town and now his future could rest with the NFL obviously, the Texans, and-- and obviously, legally, there's-- he's got a much bigger hurdles to-- to overcome. We appreciate your time, Amy, thank you so much for joining us here on No Layups.

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DAVID NUNO: All right. That was good interview. I enjoyed talking to her quite a bit and it's such a weird story, Raheel. So many layers to this story that continue every day. Like today we have had really a huge layer, but it does continue to change. His football future is really irrelevant to everything. Oh, you were about to say something?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I was going to say is there something playing in the background for you? Or Mark Greg Bailey. Wassup big G, big G in the house. No clue. OK.

DAVID NUNO: Let's just continue.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, that was really good info. And we wanted to bring her on because obviously, there's so many legal questions and trying to understand what's happening. So we didn't want to-- we don't want to tackle it ourselves. So we thought we'd get an expert on and as you mentioned she was great.

DAVID NUNO: All right. So we're going to continue with the expert team because you and I are not experts at all, pretty much at anything.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Not at all.

DAVID NUNO: I'm an expert of knowing that I have a live shot today, a couple of live shots today from Minute Maid Park. It looks like half capacity there at Minute Maid Park for the first time. Fans have been there since the World Series. Appearance in 2019 against the Nationals. We're joined now by Dr. Jill Weatherhead, assistant professor of Pediatrics Tropical Medicine and Infectious Diseases at Baylor College of Medicine.

And Dr. Jill, I got to start things off with that's a long title. I like it. That was good.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Well, thanks. Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

DAVID NUNO: So I guess we begin. I've kind of gotten used to I guess life with a mask, without a mask, sporting events with my kids, you know, and kind of choosing certain environments to put myself in and how to handle it. This is going to be a big-- big step for most of us here in Houston that are going to be going to this Astros game, where I want to say most people are going to go. Just your thoughts on Minute Maid Park being open and what kind of risk we're taking here.

Yeah, I think one thing to think about first is a really positive news, right? So we're moving towards the finish line here, we're so close. People are getting vaccinated, the numbers are coming down. So this past year if you're a sports fan has been really tough. If your kids play sports, it's been really tough. And we're getting so close to the end.

But we're not there yet, right? So cases are still, in terms of case positivity in the county is over 8%. Cases per day are over 500 per day. So we're still not quite there but we're so close to the finish line. And so I urge everybody to continue to make good decisions, continue to protect yourself protect your community, even though some of these options are starting to become more available, right?

So if you're going to the game, continue those mitigation strategies that we've been talking about for a year, right? Keep your mask on, keep distance. And those are going to be things that not only keep yourself safe but keep your family safe, keep your community safe so we get out of this faster.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You mentioned that we're almost there, right? Like we see that light at the end of the tunnel. I don't want you to put a date on it, but can you just tell us about how much longer because it's just human-- the human mental side of things we are getting exhausted. I see people like OK, when is this going to end and that's natural to have those feelings. When do you think we will get to whatever the end line is?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Yeah, that's a-- a great question. And I wish I had the exact date but I don't. But what I can tell you is the more people get vaccinated, the quicker we're going to get there. And if you do get vaccinated, you are going to be more protected. So you can already see as the CDC has started to break down some of the requirements for individuals who have been vaccinated, right? Because they're protected now.

So the more people get vaccinated the quicker we get to that end line. And-- and from an individual standpoint if you get vaccinated-- if you choose to get vaccinated, you are going to be more protected. So some of these activities are going to be much more safe for you to participate in than if you are unvaccinated. And that's-- that's coming soon. I mean, you know, in Texas we're very fortunate that we have vaccine available for everybody over the age of 16. And-- and vaccines our supply has gone up significantly.

So this is something that we're very fortunate to have, especially here in the Houston area to have the access to those vaccines. And that's going to get us in line faster.

DAVID NUNO: What does it say, and-- and I don't mean to minimize the virus at all. But that sports leagues have been able to accomplish what we thought was impossible a year ago. We had a full season of college football, we had a full season of college basketball. The Astros are starting a new season here with 20,000 people in attendance. There haven't been any major issues in pro sports and college sports. What does it say about the measures that they've taken to ensure safety for their-- for their players?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: No, I think it really depends on what you mean that there haven't been major issues because there certainly has in certain aspects. So if you look at the NBA for example, back in the summer where they did a complete bubble I mean, that was a major success, right? They were able to keep everybody isolated and protected, especially during massive surges.

But then you look at the NFL, which overall had pretty good success. But you look early in the season where they had outbreaks on certain teams like with Tennessee for example, that changed policy from there. And so they had the resources, the NFL, to make those adjustments to keep the players, the staff more protected because of the amount of resources they had. If you look at NCAA basketball, you know, they-- they had massive resources and mitigation strategies testing available.

So what this tells us is those public health measures of distancing, testing, isolation, quarantine, wearing your mask really work if you have the resources to put those into play. And so I agree with you that there have been triumphs with sports but it's been at the expense of a lot of resources, a lot of funds. And-- and that gives more energy towards the public health measures we've been talking about.

So now you start lifting those mitigation strategies that what we don't want to see is us going backwards because I mean, no one wants to go back to what we're living in, in the summer of last year, right? We all want sports to come back, we all want to get back to normal. And it just has to be done in a very regulated way like what sports have-- have been able to do.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So with youth sports, we saw the study that came out earlier this week regarding the spread of the virus within youth sports, is that something that we should stop right now or is it just we need to take more precautions as we look at youth sports and that-- and that age being 16 and under.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Right. So the big issue here is those variants, right? So the variant, which is B117, which is the variant that came out of or first identified in the UK, has increased transmissibility. So about 50% more contagious than the original virus we were dealing with. And now that-- that variant is the main variant in the United States.

So now we're dealing with a variant that is much more contagious. So you put children who are not vaccinated, right? Anybody less than 16 is not currently eligible for vaccination into large groups together and this variant is there. It's going to spread more readily. So that's probably the driving force here. Does that mean we stop youth sports? I don't think so.

I think there are-- we know those strategies work, we know keeping kids distanced, keeping masks on, not sharing equipment, not traveling far distances where we're intermingling with a lot with other communities are ways to continue to have youth sports and keep kids protected. And keep the individuals who haven't gotten vaccinated or who can't get vaccinated protected as well.

DAVID NUNO: So I don't mean this as a humble brag, but I kind of do. This week and I'm doing the-- the Ironman in Galveston. And I'm a little worried as a lot of people are. Last year it was postponed. It looks like it's happening this weekend. They're putting the bike racks up, so I think that's a good sign. How dangerous of an event can this be, though?

They-- you talk-- you hear about super-spreader events. There's going to be thousands of us in the ocean, right? And-- and that probably isn't the-- the scary part, but just maybe conjugating in between our events.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Yeah, well, first congratulations. That is just an awesome accomplishment and worth the humble brag for sure.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Don't, don't, don't. No, no, no, he hasn't finished it yet. He hasn't finished it yet.

DAVID NUNO: I'm gonna finish high.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Signing up is the first step, you know. So I do-- I do a small triathlon. So I-- like, the thought of that like it's a lot, so. And having a few of my events canceled last year, I know it's a super bummer. So I think it's something where-- you know, we're all smart enough to know what we-- we should be doing, right?

We're all-- we know the strategies that we need to do to protect ourselves and protect everybody else around. When you're talking about something like an Ironman, so much of that is individualized. I know like especially at the beginning, it's very concentrated. But you're in the water you're not breathing in each other's faces, I think that risk is gonna be much lower.

And then as the race progresses obviously, people are really spread out. And I think that's why that is going to be a safer event to have. But congregation before, congregation afterwards, that's where the problems are going to be. And I'm sure they have strategies in place to-- to reduce that interaction of the athletes.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Doc, let me ask you a personal question regarding the last year, right? It's obviously been stressful--

DAVID NUNO: Hold on, hold on, hold on.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What?

DAVID NUNO: Hold it, doc.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Come on, why--

DAVID NUNO: You can't do that come on. Like you-- you guys just met today, I'm sorry Dr. Jill.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Dr Jill, can I call you, doc?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Sure, you can. Look, I respond to pretty much anything. Trust me on this.

DAVID NUNO: Oh, I could have first called you doc, my bad.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. Dr. Weatherhead, the last year has obviously been stressful. It's been crazy for a lot of people. But for you being a doctor that's public about, you know, your thoughts on what's been happening, being on social media as well. What's it been like with these attacks on science. And, you know, people not agreeing with the science when the science isn't wrong, right?

Like science changes but at the time when the-- the information comes out, they were wrong and sometimes it changes, that's fine. What was it like with, you know, just being on social media and just overall like getting attacked by people pretty much?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Yeah, that's a-- it's been a-- it's been a long year. But it's not new, right? So we've been dealing with discussions of science, science communication for quite some time even starting back in the early 2000s with anti-vaccine movements, antiscience movements. And so that's something particularly as a pediatrician, as an infectious disease doctor, as a vaccine advocate, that we've been accustomed to.

It's certainly been heightened in the time of the pandemic where things have been politicized and-- and people have been scared. To be honest they're scared, they want information. The information changes, they start to doubt things. So, you know, it's understandable that some of these thoughts have come about. But that's what science is, right? Science is-- is not black or white, it progresses as we get more information.

And I think the best example of that is the mask wearing, right? So early on in the pandemic, we said, oh, well, you don't need a mask if you're asymptomatic from influenza, you don't need a mask if you're asymptomatic from other coronaviruses because you're not going to spread the virus. So likely because the coronavirus, this coronavirus is similar to other coronaviruses, you probably don't need a mask unless you're symptomatic. Well, that was wrong, right?

We do spread Sars-Cov-2 the agent of COVID-19 even when you're asymptomatic. And-- and that didn't come until there was time. So you base decisions and you base policy based on the information available and that evolves over time. And what's really incredible is the rate at which science has evolved on this particular topic.

I mean, a year ago we had no idea this virus existed, right? It was-- it was never talked about. We never knew it was there. And now we have a vaccine, you know, 12 months later that's saving people's lives. It's really incredible. And I hope that that instills some confidence in people that the science evolves, that's what it does, and as we get more information the policies change to help protect people.

And-- and with that as scientists, as medical professionals, we were accustomed to that. We're willing to put in that time and that work to really engage the community to answer their questions, to make sure that people are comfortable because we're all in this together and if we're not communicating, if we're not answering those questions, then this divide gets even bigger and-- and the pandemic goes on and on. So it's really an honor actually to play in that role and to communicate with our community

DAVID NUNO: Dr. Weatherhead, we appreciate your time. Great information and hope to get you on the show again.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Any time. Thanks for having me.

DAVID NUNO: Thank you very much.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: See you later.

DAVID NUNO: You can't doc forever again. All right, Raheel--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm just saying, OK, you know what, wait, hold on Dr. Weatherhead, next spring tri that we run you're running with us, is that it? Are you gonna join us?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Yeah, I will. I won't get first place but I'll do it. I'm up for any challenge.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We have a buddy-- we have a buddy, Juan, who is always in last place, you just got to beat him, OK?

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Oh, I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. I can do-- I mean, I'm just a little slow on the bike that's the problem

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Same here.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: That's the limit. Yeah, that's my limiting factor. Running no problem.

DAVID NUNO: I'm slow are all three Dr. Weatherhead so.

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Don't worry about it. We appreciate your time. Thanks so much for joining us.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Thank you so much.

JILL WEATHERHEAD: Of course, you take care, and good luck on your race.

DAVID NUNO: Thank you very much we appreciate that. Dr. Weatherhead there. Yeah, buddy, she's not like Marty McFly's dopper Fly, like you can't-- like you got to know her a little bit before you go. Like the way you call your teach-- teacher, teach. You can't do that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Hey, teach. Hey, professor. Like yeah, you-- you got doc. Yeah, we were-- look we were having a few-- we were having a few laughs together, we're talking about what's happening. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to go for it, I'm going to call her doc.

DAVID NUNO: I even felt weird calling McTarggart, Tags. I'm like am I at a Tags level with him?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You've known him since 2007. It's been 14 years.

DAVID NUNO: But we don't chitchat like hey, Tags. Like, you know, when-- when people call you Heezy, I feel like there's only like six of us that are allowed to do that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, but I don't get offended. Like when somebody calls me Heezy, I'm like wait, you called me Heezy, I'm not happy with it but I'm not offended.

DAVID NUNO: Like-- like if Tags just called you Heezy it would be OK?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. But we know who the original like you, Juan, who else, KJ. You guys originally-- like that's my nickname, right? Like with you guys like it's Heezy and that's fine. Like that's why I'm OK those three are there in.

DAVID NUNO: They can say it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, they can say. And if somebody else says I'm like we're not on that level, but it's all good. It's all-- it's all right.

DAVID NUNO: You're a lot nicer than I am. So this is our last show for probably a week or 10 days. Set the agenda, I'm out this weekend I'm having surgery next week. So I mean no show, sorry.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No show. But we will have hopefully some good content coming down the wire. Because we have some Goya recipes that we need to share. I think those are-- those are going to be coming out pretty soon. And we're actually going to meet tomorrow and record some more so people are like yes, I need more recipes. So we got you.

DAVID NUNO: When are you going to realize that I'm the brains of the operation and that it's all my cooking. Yeah like I need to get my due, yeah like--

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RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's all me. It's all me. OK. So last things before we head out of here. For 10 days it looks like Astor's home opener, you're going to be there. You and Greg are going to be covering it of course from Minute Maid Park and you got a bunch of stories.

DAVID NUNO: And Niki Natario.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And Natario's out there too?

DAVID NUNO: Three-headed monster of coverage, yeah like--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nice.

DAVID NUNO: You know like we're-- and we had people there this morning. Charlie was here this morning.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. I'm surprised Charlie didn't take off the whole week to celebrate the Beyler championship.

DAVID NUNO: What-- you know who my photographer is today?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Damian.

DAVID NUNO: Damian Smith, yeah, absolutely so-- who was there.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: He went there?

DAVID NUNO: I think so, he's posting pictures from the arena versus like--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh, yeah he was there which Chaz, right? He went there with Chaz?

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, he went corner with Greg he was there, yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh wow, that's-- that's really cool, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: He went as a fan, he didn't go as a video-- yeah must be nice.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yoh, I need that Damian money, son. It's nice.

DAVID NUNO: And you, when's the last time you spent money, and we work in the industry so it's not fair, but like spent money on a sporting event outside of Houston?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Texas LSU, that was the last time I-- I spent money on a-- on an event. I went there.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm not going to tell you how I got in because it was highly suspect, but I did. I did spend money on it. I don't know-- OK, let me rephrase. Texas didn't get my money, the resale market didn't get my money, but somebody got money and I got in.

DAVID NUNO: So somebody got paid, you-- you were able to go. I'm trying to think the last time I stepped out of state, right? I think or out of city I should say.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's actually easier. Out of city it's easier for me to get tickets because like you reach out to friends that work for the team or, you know, broadcast and they're so happy, right? Like if you're-- like I was in Golden State and one of the radio play by play guys I was introduced to him by our mutual friend Joe Blank and he's like, yeah, I would love for you to stop by and watch the game. I was like yes, thank you so much. But when you try it hear, like if I reached out to Craig Acromion he'd be like, what? No, buddy, no.

DAVID NUNO: Go to the other side of the arena and buy it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: He's like there's plenty of seats available, go and just buy it, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: So obviously the way we feel about the Astros right now could be different. It's not completely different but we can have a different sense after this series with Oakland, right? What if Oakland comes and spanks the Astros to a tune of 35 to nine and the Astros are like, you know, it'll be a lot-- a lot of different level of confidence. That being said, I don't care what happens this weekend.

The way-- their body language is so different than what it was a year ago. And I was there with the team the week before COVID hit. And they were going-- and I was at the very first game where people were booing them. I went to their first away game where people were booing them. They handled it fine but you could see it, you know, weighing on them, you could see it in their faces.

Correa was the one that I didn't think it-- he was like whatever, like let's go. But the rest you could tell they were bothered by it or they didn't want to talk about it, they were ready to move on. But of course it affected them. It appears at this point and we'll see how it feels in a month when they're in New York. At this point it-- it feels that they have moved on. And all the things that went wrong last year, at least in the first short sample size of the season have gone right so far.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: The one thing that last year I don't think we talked enough about is the injuries, right? Like I know there was the mental side of things and that's obviously a-- a big part of it. But there were a lot of injuries on this Astros team in the lineup in itself, right? Like any time they felt like they were getting any kind of momentum in a shortened regular season, they would suffer another injury, whether it be Yordan, Justin, Verlander, right? Like it just felt like they could never catch a break.

And this season if everyone is healthy, right? Like this lineup is going to be historic. It really will because top to bottom it is full of professional hitters, elite guys, most valuable player candidate, with Bregman. We don't know-- Altuve is back to form, right? It's going to be so much fun to watch as long as there's no injuries but there are going to be injuries. The--

Look, guys are going to get hurt they're going to be out for a while and/or maybe the season, who knows that's going to happen. But as of right now, like these next-- next six games at home they're going to go 5 and 1. They're-- I anticipate them going 5 and 1, or 6 and nil because this lineup is that good. And just to be home to get that relief of being home it's going to be awesome to watch.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah I will give the Astros this, they-- as you know I'm a pretty pessimistic sports fan. Like when it comes to my team I always think of the worst, right? The Astros made optimism possible. And however they got there in 2017 and whatnot, they restored some battered Aggie syndrome that I had with sports, right?

And it started with the Oilers and really the Rockets even though they won the two championships like I got so conditioned into thinking bad things were going to happen. For 2015 on I had started thinking nothing but good things were gonna happen. And yes, you know, when the-- when the Astros had a game 7 I was worried that the Astros weren't going to be able to pull off on the road.

And yes, you know, when they were down or the three that the Nationals that they came back to tie-- no, no, they were down 2.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Tampa Bay.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah. for Oklahoma it was last year and then the Nationals in your player form. I-- I thought the worst, right? But they're always the team that gave me that glimmer of hope and I appreciate that about them. And it is that core unit that yeah a lot of them have gone on, the World Series MVP has moved on and there's been other changes obviously. But some of that core is still in place.

And then a lot of the players like last year's team could have won the World Series they could have, right? But spring is gone but now you've got your master back and Yordan Alvarez. So there-- there have been some pieces that have been replaced, Cal Tucker I think if he lives up to his potential obviously a lot of all the ice is struck to season. They-- it can come in different ways that we just weren't expecting.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. And the problem is going to be the pitching. And hopefully, there are some young arms that are ready to go. Well, Forrest Wheatley, he's obviously done for the season. So we'll never see him. He's like Sergio Llul, remember him with the Rockets?

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, of course.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Every year-- Every year we're going to get a Sergio Llul, it never happened.

DAVID NUNO: Now, Hard is gone. He might come. He might be 50 but he can come.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We'll never get-- Forrest Wheatley is Sergio Llul, we'll never, ever, ever see him play for our hometown team.

DAVID NUNO: OK. So apparently you can call her doc by the way, Dr. JILL Weatherhead of Baylor College of Medicine. Because she just tweeted on Nolan's hashtag on our behalf. So if you're doing that you can call her doc, I guess.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nice, we're good. Congratulations to the Houston Rockets. They got a win, their 14th win of the year. Stephen Silas gets a revenge win, which we didn't need unfortunately, it's like as fans can we lose more games because we're in a race now with Minnesota and they have 13 losses. So can we stay on pace and, you know, keep it at 13 as well.

But that-- that was fun to see. John Wall looked really good yesterday especially late in the game. Man, KJ Martin is awesome, Jae'sean Tate, I'm telling you these guys are going to be-- they're going to be really important, whether it be in a future trade to acquire a big name or if that big name ends up coming here somehow, some way with another trade, they're going to be important role players like we see with the Brooklyn Nets.

DAVID NUNO: OK, I got to get ready for Joe's here. I'm in-- I'm in 3 tickets at the last minute I'm in the four or five but I got start getting ready for. But who do you want the Rock-- let's say the Rockets get one of the top three picks, OK. What do you want them to think? Is there somebody at this point, is it Jaylen? I mean, who pops out to you as like that's the guy I want to see them take, that yes, they won't be good for a couple of years. But this is the cornerstone piece that they're missing. Is there somebody?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: To me it's-- I like Suggs a little bit more than Cunningham. Watching-- I've watched more of Cunningham's games and-- and whether it be because it's college basketball or, you know, the team just the way he feels about the game, like his first half performances were not good. Like it was, he would average 6 a game or 6 for the first half and then 17 for the second half, right? So we know he can score-- he can score on all three levels, which is big for projecting out guys in the NBA.

His defense is eh, it's OK. I think there's just lapses sometimes. Like he reminds me a lot of Michael Beasley, do you remember with Kansas State? He's just an incredible-- Yeah, former Rocket too. It's just like sometimes on the court he just-- he's too relax. Like I love Suggs when he brings-- his first step is one of the fastest first steps I've seen since De'Aaron Fox or Collin Sexton, guys like that.

I think his shot will translate nice too. So I've got him just a little bit ahead. The one pro that I do want the Rockets to get hopefully later in the first round or maybe second round is a guy who's the most outstanding player for Baylor, Jared Butler. I love Butler and I think he's going to be a great guy on the next level as well.

DAVID NUNO: That's Heezy, I'm Nuno and I love introducing us--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the introduction. Allow me to reintroduce myself.

DAVID NUNO: Hey JayZ. WHEN we're talking to Dr. Weatherhead I was thinking in radio there's this trick, you're supposed to reset after each question. We're joined now by Dr. Jill Weatherhead, Baylor College like it's on the screen, you get it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's there, yeah, it's all good. All right, man. [INTERPOSING VOICES]