Expert: Cop was justified in pinning Floyd

A use-of-force expert says former Officer Derek Chauvin was justified in pinning George Floyd to the ground because of his frantic resistance. The witness, Barry Brodd, testified Tuesday for the defense at Chauvin's murder trial. (Apr. 13)

Video Transcript

- And can you just briefly overview your opinions in this particular case?

BARRY BRODD: I felt that Derek Chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness, following Minneapolis Police Department policy and current standards of law enforcement in his interactions with Mr. Floyd.

So it's easy to sit and judge in an office on an officer's conduct. It's more of a challenge to again, put yourself in the officer's shoes to try to make an evaluation through what they're feeling, what they're sensing, the fear they have, and then make a determination.

ERIC NELSON: Did the use of force then continue after Mr. Floyd was restrained on the ground?

BARRY BRODD: I don't consider a prone control as a use of force.

STEVE SCHLEICHER: Did you look at the autopsy photos? Were those submitted to you?


STEVE SCHLEICHER: So you didn't see the bruises on this man's shoulders? Didn't see that?


STEVE SCHLEICHER: You didn't see the bruises on his face?


STEVE SCHLEICHER: You couldn't use your context clues to determine that somebody trying to lift their body up with their face against the pavement, that that would cause pain? It would cause pain, wouldn't it?

BARRY BRODD: Lifting the face up off the pavement?


BARRY BRODD: Not necessarily.

STEVE SCHLEICHER: No. Using your face to lift your body up off the pavement.

- Objection.

STEVE SCHLEICHER: That would cause pain.

- Objection?

ERIC NELSON: Argumentative.

- Overruled on that ground.

BARRY BRODD: That could cause pain.