Marc Maron Breaks Down His Netflix Comedy Special, "End Times Fun"
The end is near in Marc Maron's newest Netflix original stand-up special, "End Times Fun." In his signature style of raw, honest and thought-provoking comedy, Marc touches on trying to ‘stay woke,’ the importance of taking Turmeric, life before cell phones, and vaccinating children against measles, mumps and Marvel movie fans.
Video Transcript
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RICKY CAMILLERI: Hey, everybody. Welcome to "BUILD at Home." It's me, Ricky Camilleri, once again. And I'm joined right now by the great, the amazing, the legend at this point, Marc Maron, who's been kind enough to grace me from not the garage, but from some room in his home, it looks like.
MARC MARON: No, this is it. This is the garage.
RICKY CAMILLERI: This is the garage?
MARC MARON: It is. It doesn't look like a garage, because it is pretty much a room. I'm starting to put stuff up. But usually, I have these panels that I can move around and I encase this table that I'm sitting at in sound panels to make the recording space.
RICKY CAMILLERI: I have to say, I love that you're talking to us with a "Gimme Shelter" poster behind you, because I feel like Mick Jagger's face at the end of that movie is all of our faces right now.
MARC MARON: Yes. Yes. I love that movie.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah. Is that the actual-- that's not the actual face that he makes in the freeze frame, is it?
MARC MARON: No, that's from the original promo poster. This was done by an artist named Frank Kosik for the re-- I think it was the reissue of a new print. But it's a silk screen, but you can't really tell from where you are. But in the back screen behind his face is all the people, you know--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Oh cool.
MARC MARON: At Altamont. It's kind of a cool thing. And then on either side of him, I have Chuck Berry and I have Howlin' Wolf, which I think--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Nice.
MARC MARON: It all makes sense.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah, that's right. Get the history in perspective there.
MARC MARON: Right.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Before we get started talking about your special and really everything else, I just-- we've been saying this at the top of all of these. It's important, I just want to say, which is that 336 million lunches have been missed due to school closures because of the coronavirus. There is a an organization called NoKidHungry.org that people can go to to donate and find out how they can sort of help make up some of those school lunches that-- those 336 million school lunches that kids have missed. So if you're interested, please go to NoKidHungry.org and check that out.
So, Mark, as I said before we even started, I loved this special so much. In some ways, it feels like the kind of special-- all your specials are great, but like you've been working towards this in some way, or maybe our personality or dynamic with material has changed. Do you feel like that as well? Does it feel different in terms of--
MARC MARON: Yeah, it feels like-- it does feel like everything I've been working towards my entire career, really, on all levels-- on the writing level, the sort of stagecraft level, on my emotional and psychological disposition level. It was really the best thing I've ever done. But I can also see all of me in it. And I can see all of my influences in it. And I can see all of my philosophical and emotional and psychological, intellectual trains of thought that I've been sort of engaged with for 35 years in it having some closure-- kind of landing somewhere.
RICKY CAMILLERI: The riff-- the final riff, which, I mean, you probably-- it's probably so embedded in you at this point as someone who loved him-- but the final riff at the end where Pence is going down on Jesus Christ reminded me of the sort of classic Bill Hicks riff about Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan. And I don't remember who else is in the bathtub with them.
MARC MARON: Yeah, it was definitely from that era of my thinking-- sort of more Hicksy influence one. He was definitely, you know, in my mind when I was constructing that, because I haven't really done that style in a while. But I wanted something big and something over-the-top and something filthy. I don't remember that bit as much as I remember-- like, he used to do-- metaphorically-- the one thing I knew about the special was that he would sort of use going down on Satan as a metaphor for people who sold out.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Right. I remember that.
MARC MARON: When I started to work on that part of the thing, I realized that I'm doing it literally. Like, Mike Pence is-- I don't want to spoil anything for anybody, it's not a metaphor. But I definitely-- you know, he definitely informed that piece, no doubt.
RICKY CAMILLERI: The going down on Satan in the Bill Hicks thing, that's the one where he's doing the impression of Jay Leno interviewing Joey Lawrence, right, if I remember correctly.
MARC MARON: He used it a lot-- for Jay Leno, I think he used it for Vanilla Ice.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Right.
MARC MARON: The idea of selling out was, you know, sucking Satan's-- yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, there was a time in my life where I think Hicks had a bit of an influence on me. And I knew him a little bit, but I was aware that, you know, that piece was sort of an homage to the guy. Like, you know, there was that-- you know, you don't see that kind of shit anymore. You don't see that kind of comedy anymore.
I used to do that kind of comedy at a different point in my life. So it was, like, in the tool chest. And it kind of grew. It didn't start out that way. It was a fairly simple joke that, you know, ended far before everything. And then, you know, Iron Man got involved. I mean, there was a lot of things that, you know, all build up through the special to this epiphany-- this operatic, rabblazian closer.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Do you feel like this is kind of-- apex is not the right word, but this being your best work, according to you, is because in the past your influence of Hicks or your engagement with politics was sort of too far embedded in it and you weren't able to sort of contextualize it in a broader way? Because it seems to me like you did Air America, then you kind of left politics a little bit, and now you're kind of coming back, but you have a new ability to contextualize it from a sort of distance. Does that make sense?
MARC MARON: Yeah, I think that's probably true. I mean, I made a conscious choice. When I was younger, even my politics was sort of reactionary. It wasn't really that informed. You know, I was basically a guy who really had a problem with authority and really had a problem with, you know, anything that wasn't progressive or at least encouraging some sort of open-mindedness, taking risk, that kind of stuff. I just didn't like the control element of right wing thinking on any level.
So once I got involved with Air America, that was sort of an education. And one of the reasons why I got away from it is that when you're doing politics every day is, like, you can't help but carry water for some side. That most of what's coming out of your mouth eventually is not really your own thoughts. So when I started the podcast, I separated from it entirely. And you know, after 2016, I started to do it in a sort of, I thought was a pretty broad way, but you know, definitely from a point of view.
And I thought that, you know, to not do it at this time would be, you know, socially and civically irresponsible. So I had to integrate that back in. And I don't think-- you know, the nuance that I bring to talking about politics, I'm not that wonky. And I think some of my broader observations leading into that last bit, you know, about Christianity and about capitalism I think are, you know, they're not new thoughts, but I think that the way I was able to bring them all together sort of lands in a palatable way.
And I think my comfort in even that bit-- you know, I did not present like, you know, Hicks would have. I did not, you know, basically defy the audience to take it. I literally--
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I literally lubricated them to receive it. And I think that is the difference between a younger me or somebody like Bill or me now is that, you know, I knew what I was going to be presenting. And I know that I have an audience. I'm not talking to strangers. And I knew that it was going to be difficult to take, but I wanted them to take it. So you know, a little foreplay helps. And I was aware of that, and I had to evolve, you know, the presentation of that bit.
RICKY CAMILLERI: "End Times Fun," as you said, does talk a fair amount about Christianity and capitalism, especially in the closing bit. It was recorded and, I think, written over the course of a year prior to what we're living in right now.
MARC MARON: Couple years.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Couple of years. What is your-- how are you processing what's happening right now in regards to Christianity and capitalism in this country?
MARC MARON: I mean, like, once you know that these type of thoughts out there-- outside of just nihilism-- you know, like, I don't want to make this special sound like it's some sort of-- it was-- I took a long time to finesse the balance of material in that special in between sort of heady or intellectually abstract ideas and just things that everyone could relate to. But it took me a long time to sort of, like, pace it so, like, I know where I get the audience to like-- I didn't want it to be depressing or overwhelming in a way that would shut people down.
So I had to really balance where I put, you know, like, the driving trail mix, you know, what it used to be like-- that piece. And there's another piece in this stuff about my mom-- I really had to sort of go back and forth in between these bigger sort of kind of, you know, overwhelmingly dark ideas and stuff a little more mundane that people could connect with and get some relief from. But how I'm responding now-- well, it doesn't get-- you know, there's this part of our brain that wants it to be OK and that wants to go to the store and that doesn't believe that we're going to get it.
You know, that's just part of the brain that thinks that way. And you know, really, the struggle of, you know, kind of educating that part of the brain or telling it to shut up-- in all of us. I mean, I'm not going to go out and say that this isn't serious, but there's definitely part of me that's kind of like, I just want to go to the store for a second. So getting out of consumerist habits and getting out of the idea that, you know, this is somehow, because I'm not at the hospital every day, something that's not going to affect me, is really, I think, something everybody, I imagine, has to do who doesn't-- who aren't sick or don't have people that are sick, and just kind of understanding that, you know, we all have to have a kind of group empathy around this thing and behave properly to stifle the spread and also to sort of kind of really process, you know, the reality of what we're up against over the next couple months.
It's daunting, because, like I said, I've gone out for supplies a couple of times. And you know, there's the idea of, like, do I have it? Did I have it? I'm with-- my girlfriend Lynn is here. And you know, we both had a cold a couple of months ago. And then you're kind of like, was that the thing, though? Are we-- you know, so there's a lot of mystery. There's a lot of fear. And there's a lot of, I think, sadness and just realizing how many people are dying and what's happening and how the structure of the country-- and then the fact that, you know, this administration and the Republicans in general have spent, you know, 30 years, you know, deconstructing the federal government.
Now we live in basically a failed state that has to rely on, you know, privatized health care that cannot really assume the responsibility to take care of people in this. So you know, that-- so on that level, in political thinking, the Christians see this as a-- as a, you know, God's wrath or this is what's supposed to happen. And then, like, the more cynical I get I think, like, well, is DeSantis-- Governor DeSantis in Florida not doing anything because he wants a lot of old people to die because that's one way to empty the social security rolls and ease the Medicare distribution? Is that-- could they be that cynical? I don't know.
So I go that way too. But with boots on the ground, I'm just trying to, you know, not get spread to or spread to other people. I'm trying to distance, and I'm trying to manage the fear and not make my girlfriend crazy. I'm also-- I'm trying to find this window between the reality of the world and the reality of my life. Like, my special, you know, that was not the original title of it. And the fact that it sort of dropped the day of the beginning of the quarantines, you know, is really kind of amazing timing for me, but horrible timing in the world.
And I'm just trying to find a window to sort of at least have some gratitude and engage in the life that I've built for myself a bit, you know, knowing that, you know, things might be different for everybody after this. But you know, also, like, you know, this is the life we are living right now, so you might as well cook some nice food and try to be there for other people.
RICKY CAMILLERI: I don't think there's any-- you know, there's a lot of content being released right now while we're all-- I mean, like this right now, but while we're all at home. And I think there is some kind of guilt from content makers now and then of, like, how should I be distracting people? But I will say about your special-- even though you talk about being a kind of entertainment distraction yourself within the special, there is a catharsis to it. And it feels very much about right now-- whether we would be in coronavirus time or not. It doesn't feel like a distraction. It feels like an engagement and a conversation about this moment that we live in.
MARC MARON: I think that's always been what I've done to you know-- to you know, bigger-- to greater-- I mean, to something-- what do I want-- larger success. I've always been that guy. I mean, I don't really look back and ever-- I never really saw myself as getting into comedy to be an entertainer. I don't know that I ever processed that, you know? Like, I talked to Bert Kreischer recently, and you know, I know who I am. And I know, you know, why I'm where I am at.
It's-- on a basic level, it's because, like, I'm not everybody's idea of a night out, you know? And I never have been. But I do carry a punch, and I do have things to say, and I am deeply funny, and I'm a professional. I just know that, like, you know, come on-- I'm not the guy who's going to keep the party light. So--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Is that a realization that you came to later? Like, because if you get into comedy, I imagine it's hard not to think of yourself early on in your career, like, how do I become that guy that is everybody's night out? Or did you always kind of know?
MARC MARON: I've judged myself against those guys, but I always knew-- I don't think it was my intention. Like, I saw comics as, you know, guys who-- as thinkers, as philosophers, as-- when I was a kid, a comic could take something overwhelming or something I couldn't understand or something frightening or something, you know, just something outside of my ability to really comprehend properly, and they could, you know, kind of make it a little three-line to you know, a few sentences package and just blow your mind with it and make you understand things differently or make you feel better, relieve fear, stress, pain.
It was just this magic trick of language that I thought was, you know, both philosophical and almost sage-like. I just-- and also, they all had very specific personalities. I saw comedy as a way to kind of find myself and figure out what I wanted to say. I knew I had things I wanted to say. I didn't know what they were. And I knew that I wanted to try to figure out who I was and be who I am. And that was the agenda. And I thought comedy-- and I still believe this-- offers you, really, the freest stage you can ever ask for.
I mean, no one's telling you what to do. It's completely up to you. You can do whatever the fuck you want. You just have to, at some point, make it funny and figure out how you want to handle it. But you know, it's real-- it's some real freedom of expression stuff going on up there, you know?
RICKY CAMILLERI: I mean, comedy has even evolved to this point where you don't-- it's called comedy, yet some people are on stage and you don't even have to make it funny. It's about storytelling. It's about just keeping the audience wrapped up in the moment.
MARC MARON: I guess. I don't-- I still I'm old school like that.
RICKY CAMILLERI: I agree.
MARC MARON: I think that, you know, the job is making people laugh. And I mean, I come from club comedy, and I understand there's a world of, you know, storytelling and a world of Ted Talks. But I do think that comedy is comedy, and it should stay comedy. And that there are a lot of people claiming to be comics that aren't.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Have you-- have you taken any hits on social media for your comment about the homogeneity of free thinkers associated with Joe Rogan?
MARC MARON: Not really. I don't know if it's, like, you know, there's an edict out that they're just going to ignore me, or that we really have totally different fan bases.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Right.
MARC MARON: I don't even know if it got back to him. I did-- you know, I got-- I went on Bert Kreishcer's podcast, and that's one of Joe's guys. And Segura is a friend of mine, and Burr tweeted about it. I mean, like, I'm trying-- see, thing is, I know that most of that special, you know, is right up a lot of those guys' alley. You know, it's even up Joe's alley. I mean, I think Joe would like it. But no, I haven't gotten any real flack at all. I told the line to Brian Callen, who's one of Joe's guys. And he was like, oh, man, that's me. So--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah, I mean, I think Joe-- like, for all the shit people give Joe-- and I probably give Joe on social media, not that it matters-- I do think that he would probably hear that joke and laugh at it and get it.
MARC MARON: You would hope. I have not-- I have not really heard from any of his people or him, and that's fine. And because of right-- and also this thing came down. I'm always kind of half poking at Joe. I like to, you know, poke at monsters. And then when they go like [ROAR] I'm like, what's the matter? You know, so--
RICKY CAMILLERI: He's really built himself up to be a monster as well too, right? He's just, like, super jacked.
MARC MARON: Always has been. He's always been. You know, he has his place in the world. And you know, sometimes-- I can't really, you know, judge it. It's a big place. But I think that what I said on the special is clearly and precisely what I think.
RICKY CAMILLERI: You know, I was listening to your interview with Terry Gross this morning, and you were talking about your relationship with your narcissistic father and how it allows you to view or sort of understand Donald Trump a certain way because of his sort of innate, inherent, born narcissism. And I'm curious-- I thought about that in reference to last night after his press conference, a bunch of media critics were saying, wow, he's really changed his tone. He's really understanding this now. And I'm wondering what you think about that when you think about your relationship to narcissism and what that means when a narcissist seems to have become sympathetic or empathetic all of a sudden.
MARC MARON: I think it all-- it's all still relative to him. I mean, like, you know, whatever he's processing, like, it's how-- how does Donald Trump survive? You know, like, whether he's really reading this for-- at the scope it is actually happening. I think it's possible. You know, but he's still-- I think his primary focus is how do I shift to keep this about me?
RICKY CAMILLERI: Which he did.
MARC MARON: Yeah. Well, I think that's always going to be it. But you know, all presidents are narcissistic. You know, and there's something about the transparent pathology of this guy that, you know, this is sort of unencumbered, you know, completely-- like he-- he-- you know, it's so clear that he's got the real sickness. Most people who come from narcissists or are narcissistic are just that. But a pathological narcissist is a special breed.
And most people don't know many of them. They're not-- they're relatively rare. They don't-- they're not unlike sociopaths. And they don't think twice about pathologically lying, because it just doesn't factor in. Honesty is not-- they'll do whatever they need to do to keep it about them. But what's at the core of it is a very infantile, horrific rage. So you know, whatever keeps that at bay, you know, even half at bay would probably be preferable.
RICKY CAMILLERI: How-- what is your relationship like with news during this? I'm wondering how you keep yourself sane.
MARC MARON: You know, dude, like, after the special, you know, like, I really feel in a lot of ways I've said my piece. And I think that you have the bit about the sky catching fire and the reactions to that on the ground I think encapsulates sort of what's happening now. I would have hoped that, you know, partisan thinking would have been--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Sorry-- I meant, like, your media diet.
MARC MARON: I know. I know. I'm getting there. What I'm saying is that, like, the way I'm taking in media now is, like, you know, what are the protocols that I have to follow to stay safe? You know, what is the truth of what we're going through? And in the rest, I'm kind of browsing through. You know, I'm looking for information about, you know, my area, the sickness, you know, what's being done about it.
I watch Rachel Maddow. And I'll browse through news and take in bits and pieces. But I'm really trying to stay in my life and you know, try to keep-- you know, try to have some sort of what I believe to be honest sort of understanding of what's really happening. I don't watch the presidential briefings. I don't-- you know, I read a lot of different news or read some "Politico," some Fox, "New York Times," "Washington Post" through the phone.
And then I try to-- I like to watch Rachel. And then I watch John Oliver on Sunday. But I really just try to do the things in my life, not necessarily even preparing or even thinking that this will end someday or that anything will be normal again, but you know, there's a lot of things undone around the house and things, you know, that I don't get to do or think about when I'm busy. And I'm doing that.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah. You said in this interview with Terry Gross, this joke that I very much related to which is that a few days ago it was cute-- we were all posting the records that we were listening to. And now it's starting-- suddenly it's going to start to get real. And I literally posted, like, a bunch of records like four days ago-- like, this is keeping me sane. And this morning, I was like, I got to go for a walk. I'm losing my mind.
MARC MARON: Yeah. Yeah. But I think that's still-- like, it seems to me that, you know, I might have been coming from somewhat of a cynical place. Or even being somebody who is a public personality, I'm like, do I have to do this stuff? Like, you know, I'm like, they're doing it. Do I got to get on and do it? Do I have to-- you know? But the thing is weird is that, you know, a lot of what people criticize us about, like in celebrity culture or public personalities, being, you know, self-involved or needy or, you know, who are we to sort of, like, you know, chime in just because, you know, we have followers or fans.
But the truth is is that no matter what state we're in-- like, I've been doing IG Live a bit, and I'm not preparing anything. And I'm just doing what I usually do. And I got, like, 8,000, 10,000 people checking it out. But you know, most of them are like, it's cool, man. It just makes us feel better. You know, some of us are just hanging out alone. You know, we have a relationship with you. So whatever you're doing, it's nice to see you.
So I think that element of it is nice. The performative element of it I think will get a little tiring. But I think that people checking in in whatever form they're in, I'm kind of looking forward to that. It will be nice when a person-- big stars start to just be like, I need help. I'm in trouble over here.
RICKY CAMILLERI: I think-- I think people will like that. And they like what you're doing. It's the difference between, like, checking in with your phone and being like, let's just talk for a minute and, like, professionally photographed or videoed [INAUDIBLE] from your mansion somewhere in, like, a bubble bath with flowers or whatever, you know?
MARC MARON: I was trying guitar pedals out for an hour on Instagram last night.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Oh, that's amazing. You-- I have to let you go, but I'm wondering, like, what you are listening to, what you've watched, what you've read that has sort of kept you happy and feeling good.
MARC MARON: Oddly, the books that I've pulled out of the shelf are, like, William Burr's novel from the 80s called "The Western Lands," and Hunter Thompson's "Generation of Swine." Those are the two books I've pulled off the shelf that I have on my bed stand. I've been listening to-- I had a moment where I thought I was going to start listening to The Cure for the first time in my life, but that hasn't really stuck.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Did you try?
MARC MARON: Well, I, like-- I have the "Boys Don't Cry" compilation, but then I tried "Disintegration"--
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah.
MARC MARON: Which is a Cure record. I didn't quite lock in. The early stuff, the poppy stuff, I kind of get. But, like, I guess I gotta ease into the "Disintegration" stuff.
RICKY CAMILLERI: "Disintegration" is my--
MARC MARON: That's yours? OK.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah.
MARC MARON: I'll work on it. I tried to listen to it when I was running, but then I switched to a "Junoon"-- this weird Johnny Gateway produced album. You know that thing? "Junoon?"
RICKY CAMILLERI: That PTA did the documentary of.
MARC MARON: Oh did he?
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah, yeah.
MARC MARON: That's right-- Israeli guy and a bunch of Indian musicians?
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah. They opened for Radiohead on the last tour that I saw.
MARC MARON: Yeah. I listened to that yesterday. That's a great record. And I've been listening-- I listened to some Patsy Cline the other day. I have a fairly extensive record collection. So I'm kind of doing that. I listened to Aerosmith's "Rocks" the other day. It's a great album. So I'm doing that. And I'm watching-- we're catching-- you know, not even catching up, trying to watch new stuff, because, you know, I'm dating a filmmaker. And she's been staying with me, so we're doing some movies, doing some Criterion channel watching.
Like, we watched Antonioni's "The Passenger" the other night, which is a Jack Nicholson vehicle. But it's a great movie. We watched-- why do I always forget-- "A Place in the Sun" the other night.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Oh Yeah-- Montgomery Clift, right?
MARC MARON: Yeah. And Elizabeth Taylor. What a dark story, man.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Have you seen-- Clift only had, like, four or five movies, if that. Like, I watched "Red River," the Hawks movie with him and John Wayne last month, and Clift is just so beautiful and incredible.
MARC MARON: Yeah, we watched "From Here to Eternity," and that was great. I watch-- I'll watch the Western.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Yeah.
MARC MARON: That was, like, one of his-- was that a last one? Was he in "Giant" as well? I can't remember.
RICKY CAMILLERI: No, "Giant" is Dean. I don't think Clift is in "Giant" either. I don't know.
MARC MARON: OK. So we watched that, and we're watching "Better Call Saul." And I mean, I could not watch the tiger guy.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Why not? Did you try?
MARC MARON: I gave it about an hour, and it was just too sad for me to deal with. Those people, it just seemed like, you know, that-- I just didn't-- there's-- I don't know. It just felt like-- it made me feel filthy. So.
RICKY CAMILLERI: I feel like that's a generational difference for some reason-- and this is a broad generalization, and a probably idiotic theory. But like, younger people are sort of more inundated with "Vice" magazine, Harmony Korine culture and can kind of, like, distance themselves from these kind of-- from these types of people and view them more as characters and sort of under-- like, dirty poets of American subculture.
Lots of older people that I talk to that watch it, they're just like, I can't-- I can't look at that. It's disgusting. It's heartbreaking. They're just, like, mean-spirited angry poor people.
MARC MARON: Broken people. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I get Harmony. I know-- I mean, I can certainly appreciate that stuff if there's-- you know, if the context can hold. Maybe it gets better. But like, you know, it's probably fun. I just don't want-- I don't want to spend that many hours with those people.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Exactly. Yeah. Marc, it's always a pleasure talking to you. "End Times Fun" is on Netflix right now. It is, I think, an absolutely wonderful special. I watched it twice. It made me feel better both prior to-- I guess right when this was starting, and in the midst of the quarantine last night, it made me feel a lot better. So thank you.
MARC MARON: You're welcome. Always good talking to you too, man. And you know, take care of yourself.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Thanks. Are you posting WTFs during this? Or do you have new ones coming--
MARC MARON: Every-- yeah, we do. Like, you know, I've got, like-- I got-- I got alcohol spray, I got hand sanitizer. Like, I've made-- like, if people want to come and do it, I can go one-on-one. We've got six feet here, and I'm willing to do that. We've had a couple of brave souls, but we've also got a few in the can. But yeah, every-- same Monday and Thursdays. I've had-- Jeff Dunham came in right under the wire right as it started. And I had Taylor Tomlinson come in-- these haven't posted yet. And who else? Oh, Whit Thomas, who came over.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Wait, I know I have to go, but out of genuine curiosity-- Jeff Dunham, how did-- I mean, did you-- I haven't listened to you yet, but did you guys get into it at all in terms of his specific kind of puppets that he has?
MARC MARON: Oh yeah. No I didn't-- I haven't posted it yet, but it was great, because, like, I had to find that part of myself. There's nobody, really, that doesn't like those puppets. I mean, the weird thing is is, like, everyone is a kid. I was into ventriloquism when I was a kid. I bought a doll. So, like, I had to go back to that place that was fascinated with it to sort of engage with him. But we also addressed the fact that I was one of the comics that was, like, this guy with his dumb puppets.
You know, like, you know, there were definitely two camps. And he took a lot of shit from, you know, regular, real-- you know, the real comics. But no, I was really able to talk about the craft with him and you know, the conception of the puppets and you know, some of the controversy around the puppets-- how the puppets are made, how did it start. Oh yeah, we got into it. He's a good guy.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Cool. I can't wait to listen to it, and I can't wait for the next special and have you back when you come back. Mark, great to talk to you. Good to see you.
MARC MARON: Good talking to you, man.
RICKY CAMILLERI: Stay healthy. Stay safe.
MARC MARON: You too.
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