In recordings shared by Mary Trump exclusively with The ReidOut, Maryanne Trump Barry, Donald Trump’s sister, is heard criticizing many members of the Trump family. Maryanne Trump Barry and Mary Trump discussed Ivanka Trump’s actions during the period that the Trump Administration initiated their child separation practices. Trump Barry also says the president 'is all over the line' when it comes to his treatment of DREAMers.
JOY REID: And in the recordings we're going to play for you, we can hear Maryanne Trump Barry and Mary Trump discuss Ivanka Trump during the period that the Trump administration initiated their child separation policy.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: And then that-- when-- when that damn Ivanka puts this picture--
MARY TRUMP: Yeah.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --of the Madonna and child on Instagram when we-- the big news of the day was how--
MARY TRUMP: Children were being ripped from their families.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --kids were being ripped from their families.
MARY TRUMP: Yeah.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: I couldn't blame-- I never heard of Samantha Bee before. I couldn't blame--
MARY TRUMP: Blame her?
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --what she said.
JOY REID: So in that recording, Maryanne Trump Barry was referring to Samantha Bee, the comedienne, who had slammed Ivanka, calling her oblivious, among other things, after she posted this image of herself and her child at the same time that the country was learning that the Trump administration was separating migrant children from their families. Now, the next clip that you're about to hear, Mary Trump and her aunt talk about Eric and Ivanka's ambitions.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: Meanwhile, Eric's become the moron publicly. Ivanka gives a [BLEEP]. She's all about her.
MARY TRUMP: Yeah, she's a mini Donald.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: She's a mini Donald, and-- but yet, he's besotted with her. He always has been. She's always been his favorite.
JOY REID: Now, we also hear what Maryanne thinks about her brother Donald.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: And then you get Donald, who-- who won't do anything for anybody unless it's going to insure to is--
MARY TRUMP: Well, look--
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --I mean, he won't do any publicly. I mean, if you-- anything he-- he did, he-- he says, look what I've done. Aren't I wonderful?
MARY TRUMP: Of course, and it-- it ended up being nothing.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: And he's as tight as a duck's ass--
MARY TRUMP: Right.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --just like dad was, really.
JOY REID: Now, we've reached out to Maryanne Trump Barry for comment, but have not heard back. I'm now joined by Mary Trump, Donald Trump's niece and author of "Too Much and Never Enough," the bestselling book that has sold millions and millions of copies. Mary Trump, it's good to talk to you again. And also, thank you for being on with us to sort of unpack the convention. It was something else. The "convention," I should say. Let's get in--
MARY TRUMP: It was indeed.
JOY REID: Well, I think a lot of people want to know what tight as a duck's posterior-- what does that mean exactly?
MARY TRUMP: It just means really cheap.
JOY REID: I kind of guessed that it meant cheap. But OK, thank you for clearing that up. Yeah, so--
MARY TRUMP: A little more colorful.
JOY REID: So-- so Donald Trump, you know, really put on a show of his family, really pushed the adult children forward, even Tiffany, pushed them all out forward. What do you think the purpose of doing that was this week?
MARY TRUMP: I think it was twofold. You know, it was, on the one hand, to burnish his bone fides as a great family man. And on the other hand, it was a not so subtle feint towards monarchical succession, which is a little terrifying. Because as you mentioned, he co-opted the People's House for his own political ends with the considerable help of his party.
JOY REID: And so-- right, because there were two parts of it. Like, part of me thought that he saw Joe Biden being lauded by friends and his family and how much love there was in the Biden family, and also Kamala Harris having her sister and her niece send her up. And then maybe he got jealous, and then maybe he decided to do it. And that maybe the-- the kids sort of got in on it on trying to sort of paint him as being similar.
And-- and I ask that because there was a part in the presentation when Ivanka Trump talks about her son building a replica of the White House and that it being displayed by granddad in the Oval Office, which isn't like a Donald Trump sounding thing that he might do.
And then a lot of folks have pointed out, including some Republican friends, have said, wait a minute, didn't she tell that exact same story about herself, saying that when she was 13 she made a replica of Trump Tower and Trump put it in his office? Do you-- do you suspect that maybe that story was a recycle? What do you make of that?
MARY TRUMP: Well, first of all, from what I understand, not only was that story Ivanka told debunked, she admitted that it wasn't true. And it was also lifted from a story told in the "Art of the Deal" about when Donald allegedly stole Robert's blocks and glued them together, which, from what I understand, is also probably not true. So I guess gluing children's building blocks together is genetic? I don't know. But it's remarkable how similar the stories are.
JOY REID: It is. Let me play another bite of-- and thank you for providing us with this audio. Here is the conversation that you had with your aunt about the Dreamers. Take a listen.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: Well, what happened-- what he did with the Dreamers. I mean--
MARY TRUMP: Oh, God--
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: --I am so much in support. No, he changed the--
MARY TRUMP: I know.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: And-- but he denies it. I mean, he-- he would deny he changed his mind.
MARY TRUMP: Of course he would.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: He's all over the line.
MARY TRUMP: Well, just like with the-- with the-- the kids who are now in de facto concentration camps down in Texas, he's blaming the Democrats for it. It's the Democrats' horrible policy, so-- which suggests that he thinks it's a bad thing. And yet, he's allowing it to continue.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: It's mind-boggling.
MARY TRUMP: Mind-boggling.
JOY REID: I mean, the-- de facto concentration camp stands out to me as a way to describe this. Your aunt was a judge. Was this-- was this recording made while she was still a judge?
MARY TRUMP: Yes, but she's been inactive for a while. I don't believe at the time she was on the bench.
JOY REID: And-- and so did-- did she ever-- if she's calling them concentration camps, that sounds like a pretty severe thing. Are you surprised that she didn't go public given the fact that she's got a judicial background? You know, her comments could have been really powerful at that time. Does it surprise you that she didn't say anything publicly, just only saying it to you?
MARY TRUMP: Unfortunately, no, it doesn't surprise me. She subscribes to the same notion of family loyalty that her siblings do.
JOY REID: Let's play another piece, and this is-- and this one I think is significant because we do have, you know, aside from the controversy with Jerry Falwell, Jr., et cetera, Donald Trump's biggest base is white Christians. That is his-- white evangelical Christians are really his base. And here is a conversation with yourself and your aunt about Trump and God.
MARY TRUMP: [INAUDIBLE]
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: The only time Donald went to church that I know of [INAUDIBLE], at least when-- when Dad wasn't bringing us every Sunday, was when he--
MARY TRUMP: When he got married.
MARYANNE TRUMP BARRY: Yes, and-- and over the last several years when the cameras were at the church.
MARY TRUMP: Exactly.
JOY REID: So to your knowledge, including your dad, there-- they were brought to church, the family, every Sunday. Was this the Power of Positive Thinking Church, or was it a mainline sort of Protestant church?
MARY TRUMP: I honestly don't know how frequently they attended church. I don't think it was-- I don't believe it was every Sunday, certainly not when they were older. And as far as I recollect, my grandfather joined Marble Collegiate Church, which was Norman Vincent Peale's church, the guy who wrote "The Power of Positive Thinking" in the early '50s, mid '50s. So, you know, I never got the impression that any of them, with the exception of Maryanne who converted to Catholicism before her first marriage, was particularly religious or churchgoing.
JOY REID: Yeah. Did you ever hear your uncle talk about religious people? What were his thoughts, before he got into politics and needed their votes, about religious people, about Christians?
MARY TRUMP: He doesn't have any. He has no connection to religion or faith that I'm aware of. You know, he's quite good at finding what, in his words, he would call "suckers." So as we've seen unfortunately, he's been able to, you know, co-opt people's faiths.