Michael Cohen says he thinks Rudy Giuliani's legal problems will go beyond the Ukraine dealings 'because Rudy is actually a stupid guy'

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Michael Cohen speaking with MSNBC's Ari Melber. MSNBC
  • Michael Cohen said he thinks Rudy Giuliani's legal battles will go beyond his Ukraine dealings.

  • The FBI raided Giuliani's office and apartment on Wednesday as part of a probe into those dealings.

  • Cohen said: "But that's not where it's gonna stop. Because Rudy is actually a stupid guy."

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Michael Cohen said he thinks the legal problems facing Rudy Giuliani will go beyond the investigation into his Ukraine dealings.

FBI agents raided the office and apartment of Rudy Giuliani, former President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, on Wednesday as part of an investigation into whether he broke foreign-lobbying laws in his dealings with Ukraine.

Cohen, who previously served as Trump's lawyer and fixer, told MSNBC on Thursday that he thinks Giuliani's legal problems will mount further.

"It may start with just the Ukraine. But that's not where it's gonna stop. Because Rudy is actually a stupid guy. Rudy has no idea about technology," he said.

He did not offer any further detail, but suggested that Giuliani may have said something to implicate himself online or in conversations with people.

He added that Giuliani "says very dumb things, especially when he starts drinking" and that Giuliani goes "running around the world talking to people about how in fact he's Donald Trump's right hand guy and he can get everything done."

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Cohen also said he believes that Giuliani would flip on Trump "to protect himself."

"He knows he's got problems. He knows its not going to end well," Cohen said, noting Giuliani's experience as a prosecutor.

Giuliani's attorney has said the FBI raid was a "clear example of a corrupt double standard."

Cohen made similar points while speaking on CNN on Thursday.

He told CNN: "We have no idea how expansive this investigation is going to ultimately reveal itself because Rudy's an idiot. And that's the problem. Rudy drinks too much, Rudy behaves in such an erratic manner that who knows what's on those telephones or what's on his computers."

Cohen had his own properties raided in 2018, before he struck a plea deal and cooperated with investigators in the investigation into Russian interference with the 2016 election.

He's currently serving a three-year prison sentence under house arrest. Trump decried him as a "rat" and a liar after Cohen cooperated.

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