Michael Cohen joins The ReidOut to talk about his time working for Donald Trump. Cohen believes the president is setting himself to not only win in 2020, but beyond that as well.
JOY REID: Cohen is back with me. And first of all, before I get to the idea of Donald Trump and crime, what is behind in your view, Donald Trump's adoration for people like Kim Jong-un and Mohammed bin Salman and Vladimir Putin?
MICHAEL COHEN: And all of the others. It's all about power.
JOY REID: Yeah.
MICHAEL COHEN: It's autocratic power, it's being a dictator, being a king. That's what wants, to be, he doesn't see being president of the United States as being a president for all people and that he's working for the people. He sees it the other way around, that he's doing a favor to all Americans and that Americans should be working for him. I mean, he really believes that he can create the United States into a monarchy and that he would be its ruler.
Because met on several occasions, he used to talk about Putin's insane wealth. That Vladimir Putin is the single richest man in the world by a multiple, because he owns 25% of all of Russia, and that look at the power that Putin yields. He doesn't have to run for election. And when he did, it wasn't even a landslide. I mean, I don't think anybody voted against him. And he always used to say that there's an old saying that it doesn't matter who you vote for, all that matters is who's counting the vote.
And these are all the things that create an autocrat. It creates a dictator. First you suppress people's first amendment rights, like he and attorney General Bill Barr did to me when they were remanded me back to prison but not wanting to sign over my constitutional rights. And then just bring in the military, which he's wanted to do in New York and Chicago and so many other states. And now all of a sudden, you're playing, for example, you have Lou DeJoy playing with the postal service so that those people who vote for Biden-Harris, those ballots will end up disappearing.
I mean, he is legitimately setting himself up to be an autocrat. Now Joy, that goes to your next question, why? And yes, he is petrified. He is 100% petrified that there is going to be a slew of litigation against him brought on by multiple state attorney generals, including New York, as well as the Cy Vance case, as well as other states right now that are interested in looking at the various different actions that the president has taken pre-presidency and as president. So I do think, I think he is.
JOY REID: You write.
MICHAEL COHEN: I think he's scared.
JOY REID: Yeah, you write, I'm certain, in your book, you write that I'm certain that Trump knows he will face prison time if he leaves office, the inevitable cold karma to the notorious chants of, lock her up. He projects his own sins and crimes onto others because he thinks everyone is as corrupt and shameless and ruthless as he is. Which, of course, leads to the question, Michael, of what would he do to stay in power and out of prison? Give us the worst case scenario of what you think he would do.
MICHAEL COHEN: So Donald Trump is all about winning, and he has no intention of giving up power, which is why I said before the House Oversight Committee. I mean, let's remember, we're talking 18 plus months ago. And what I gave to the American people, and it was an enormous number of people that were watching, what I gave to the American people was a preview of this horror movie entitled Donald Trump presidency. And in order to avoid a sequel, which would be the horror film of 2020, people really do have to vote him out.
But that's not going to be easy, because the first thing he's going to claim is that the election was rigged. And he's going to, the day of the election, he's going to declare that he's the winner and that even when, for the next couple of weeks as the ballots are all being counted, he's going to claim that they're fake and he's going to use Attorney General Bill Barr within which to bring an action in order to invalidate all of those. And he's going to do everything possible in order to ensure that he remains president for another four years. But then it's not just four more years. The second that that happens.
JOY REID: Yeah.
MICHAEL COHEN: He's already joking, and I tell this many times, Donald Trump doesn't know what it is to tell a joke and he doesn't understand what a joke is. When he says, how about Trump 12 more years, he's looking to set himself up as an autocrat in this country. He has no care and he has no, legitimately, he doesn't care about the Constitution of the United States. He believes that he's above everything.