In a segment that seemed born out of a stoner’s dream, rapper 2 Chainz joined television host Nancy Grace on Tuesday night to debate the legalization of marijuana.
During the 50-minute exchange, Grace and Chainz (born Tauheed Epps) debated the dangers of making pot legal, with the HLN host citing several recent cases that involved marijuana, including the 3-year-old Colorado girl who died in a mobile home fire while her parents were allegedly drinking and smoking pot outside.
Grace began by asking the 37-year-old rapper how he could support legalization when he hears stories like those.
“From the story I just heard you talk about, they had alcohol included, which we all know causes you to black out, forget things and have memory loss,” the rapper said. “They also dealt with irresponsible people. I don’t think you could put an umbrella on the whole community off these few incidents that you just named.”
“I’m not defining everybody, OK?” Grace responded. “So don’t throw me in that pot and stew me. What I’m saying is, legalizing pot ends up in stories like this. And you, with so many people looking up to you, [you] advocate legalization of pot. And I don’t get it. I mean, I’ve seen video of you smoking a big, fat doobie. I mean, I’ve read your lyrics. I know what you say in your songs.”
Grace then showed viewers an image taken from the rapper’s Twitter feed.
“Everybody, that’s 2 Chainz’ Twitter account,” she said. “That’s him smoking pot.”
The rapper was unfazed.
“You can’t use these particular stories to define everyone who uses [marijuana],” he said. “You don’t have to be a genius; you don’t have to graduate from school. You don’t have to be a successful artist or entertainer to know that giving any child drugs is wrong.”
Another guest, Norman Kent, chairman of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), agreed.
“He’s articulating what millions and millions of Americans feel, which is that pot is perfectly normal,” Kent said. “2 Chainz’ children are going to grow up in a world where people use marijuana responsibly, where they don’t go to jail unjustly, where cannabis consumers are going to be lawfully protected, where government revenues are going to be enhanced, and we’re all going to be better off.”
Epps, whose first stage name was Tity Boi, even answered Grace’s other query: “And while I have you, why the 2 Chainz? Just curious.”
“2 Chainz was obviously my second time coming around as far as a rapper,” he explained. “[The first] came from an internal thing with my mom, me being an only child, me being a spoiled brat, me being breast-fed, so the whole family called me Tity Boi. But then when it was time for me to really go out here and make a name for myself, I figured, like, 2 Chainz because [it] could obviously mean this would be my second chance, one chain being who I am and another chain basically being what I strive to be. So it has a little deeper meaning.”