No Layups: Houston's big week for sports and weather

David and Raheel are taking a moment this week to talk about how some of Houston's best-loved big names are helping those in need.

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DAVID NUNO: We live in a society, Raheel, where the Texans are just not relevant at all, and the world is freezing over. Welcome into "No Layups." Hey, buddy.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: How you doing, man?

DAVID NUNO: So I was doing some soul searching this week as the great JJ Watt announced that he was leaving the Texans-- mutual agreement that he went to the McNair family. And I was thinking to myself, remember when we first got to this market? Now I grew up in Houston. You grew up in Houston. It's our hometown, but I was living in Waco when I moved back here in 2007. I started covering the Texans. They were, what, entering their sixth year-- fifth year in the NFL.

And I remember everybody around town loved the Texans no matter what. I think the big controversy at that time, if I remember correctly, Raheel was Reggie Bush, Vince Young was still a topic on the radio, even the year after.

And it, to me, was a happy time in sports history in this market because that was the big, should take Mario, should they take Reggie-- or Reggie or Vince Young, I should say. And we are now at a place where, I think, the entire fandom, the entire city is disgusted with the organization.

And I'll try and trace back the root of the evil. Was it when Duane Brown left in 2017? And I guess the year prior where all the stuff came out about the Texans and the way Mr. McNair spoke in meetings, the phrases he was using and what was said in the NFL meeting with all the other owners. Is that really where the beginning of the end started? Because it's just been one huge downward spiral.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: To me, officially, that would be the start. Like, if we all agreed upon one moment, I think that would be it. You could go back. You mentioned one of the key moments in franchise history in Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, or Vince Young.

To me, that moment as well for hardcore fans and really dialed in Houston fans, not a national perspective, I think that moment as well was one of those moments where you go, man, you have a chance to draft one of the game changers in Reggie Bush or Vince Young, either one, OK, depending on how you feel, right?

You needed a quarterback. David Carr lasted one more year after that. It was Gary Kubiak's first year. To me, that was it. I remember listening to Sports Radio 610 when they decided that-- or when it came out on that-- was it a Friday? No, a Thursday.

DAVID NUNO: It was a Friday. It was a Friday. It was the Friday before the draft.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, Friday. It was a Friday, right? That's how I remember that. So it was a Friday, and they're like, yeah, they're going to take Mario Williams with the number one overall pick. And I was like, that kind of sucks, right? Of course, me, a Texas guy, who covered that team, the Longhorn team, the championship team, I wanted Vince Young.

But even Reggie Bush would have been the right pick for me because it would have really excited the fan base. You get to build upon some excitement finally. And that took away a lot of the momentum that that horrible team had, right? That was a number one overall pick team. That means they're not a good team.

So to me, that was the official mark for me at least. And then it was the Duane Brown stuff. Then it was giving Bill O'Brien an extension. It was not getting rid of Bill O'Brien after he gets blown out by Kansas City in the second quarter moving forward. And that was it. Like, I lost all feelings towards the franchise around there.

DAVID NUNO: I wonder if you would have asked JJ, and even Deshaun for this matter, at halftime or right before halftime-- let's say midway through the second quarter. Let's say somehow the sports gods stop the game between the Chiefs. And they said, hey, Nuno and Raheel want to talk to JJ and Deshaun privately for a second.

And we were to say, hey, man, in about 13 months, do you see yourself on this team? At that point, what they would have thought. Because the downward spiral that has happened since then.


DAVID NUNO: And then I was thinking to myself, this, too, Raheel. And look, I love JJ Watt. I know there's some people who have different opinions on him. Either you love him, or you think he's fake. I think he's a pretty genuine dude. And I loved every second of covering him. He was always very polite. And you know I'm big about polite. That's my thing with athletes. You're polite-- you're on Team Nuno.

He was always very polite, very accommodating. There were some things that I think JJ did that we all kind of see it was-- he became a caricature of himself at times. But I think genuine in the way he handled the city, the way he handled fans, and whatnot.

But when you look at 2021, OK? And I'm talking just Houston. I'm not talking pandemic. I'm not talking the death of Kobe Bryant. I'm talking just 2021, the first six weeks we've had this year compared to 2020. What has been a worse sports year? Because I remind you, in January-- I believe it was January of 2020-- is when we found out that AJ and Jeff were gone, the Astros cheating scandal.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: January 13, I believe, was the date. January 13, right? Because that was also the date that a year late-- no, that was the D-Hop trade. January 13 was the D-Hop trade.

DAVID NUNO: No, no, no. January 13 was the Luhnow press conference.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: The scandal. And then this year-- what happened on January 13 this year? The James Harden trade, right?

DAVID NUNO: James Harden trade, yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: James Harden trade. So OK, so which one-- so here we go. So let's start with January 13.

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE] which has been worse?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, the scandal-- OK, so we've got the scandal in 2020, Harden trade 2021. You lose one of your franchise pieces. He forces his way out. It was going to happen eventually anyways. But he got his way, and the way it ended, all that stuff, which, by the way, congratulations to the Nets. They looked really good last night, although the Warriors aren't that good of a team.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So take it with a grain of salt, but Harden had 16 assists. OK, so that one. I would say the Astros scandal was bigger because of what it meant, obviously, not only that year, but also moving forward. Like, everything is going to go back to the scandal.

DAVID NUNO: But I'm not saying one for one. [INAUDIBLE]

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, no, but I'm just saying, let's compare the events. Yeah, real quickly.

DAVID NUNO: The totality of what we saw in 2020 from [? hop ?] to the Astros scandal to the Texans becoming a joke, 4 and 12, to the Russell Westbrook fiasco, the James Harden-- like, you look at 2020 in a capsule, and then you look at 2021, and it's just been six weeks. They're both pretty darn terrible.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So 2021, there's been a lot of expected stuff, right? We knew Harden was going to get traded. That happened in 2020. We knew he requested the trade in 2020. Trade happens in 2021. So we knew that was going to happen.

JJ, I think we all knew it was going to happen, right? The writing was on the wall. Whether he be traded or they release JJ Watt, we knew that was going to happen. So to me, 2020 is still more of a devastating sports year in terms of what it means for the city and franchises than 2021's events so far.

DAVID NUNO: Well, let me throw you these angles though.


DAVID NUNO: Your youth, your franchise quarterback wants to leave. And that's happening in 2021.


DAVID NUNO: And the Texans continue to make moves that make you say, huh? So Easterby has more power than he has ever had before. You hire a head coach who I find to be a great guy to have a barbecue with. David Culley at a barbecue would be the life of the party.

Can he lead an NFL team? We're about to find out. But it's still a head scratcher. Like, why did they hire him? Then they brought in the character control dude.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK, would David Culley be-- are you saying at his house or when he comes to your house for a barbecue? Which one? Because I think it'd be different.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It'd be two different parties though. Because if you go to his house, I feel like he would delegate a lot of responsibilities like he is going to do with the Texans. So you might end up cooking at his party. Or you might end up doing something at his party while he entertains the crowd and manages everything.

Now if he comes to your place, I feel like he's going to be the same thing where he's not going to help out too much. Because he's going to just delegate and hold court in the middle of the barbecue.

DAVID NUNO: He's telling stories. He is telling some stories.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, he's telling a lot of stories at all this.

DAVID NUNO: About his time at Vanderbilt, his time with John Harbaugh. Oh, yeah, there's no doubt he's telling stories. But I mean, look, they're both terrible years. And this is more of a sports radio conversation.

But the start of this year-- because I think people still held out hope for George Springer to maybe stay, even though we knew it was coming, right? And I don't think we expected within a couple weeks of each other that Harden, the face of the Rockets, George Springer, the MVP of their postseason aspirations for the last couple of years-- although you could argue, obviously, Correa last year was the guy. And by the way, I'm not convinced Correa is saying. I'm not.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm not either. I'm not either.

DAVID NUNO: I hope he stays.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Although the one thing to kind of hang our hat on here is this offseason after this season, there's going to be a lot of great shortstops on the market. And I think the market might reset a little bit. Because we're going to find out pandemic financial numbers, as well, right? This season isn't going to be normal for Major League Baseball.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So the spending might be a little different. Long term, I don't know. Does he get a huge deal? Because again, you can make an argument for like three other shortstops that are just as good, just as young to get a huge deal over Carlos Correa.

So I don't know. I'm not sure. But I'm with you. Until it happens, I'm not hanging my hat on that Correa is coming back. Like, I just don't know.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, I don't know, but nothing would surprise me, right?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, yeah, I'm with you.

DAVID NUNO: So it's just-- it has been a terrible start to the 2021 year from a personnel standpoint. And still, the question marks behind Deshaun Watson, the Texans. Like, if they were 4 and 12 with Deshaun last year, how bad are they going to be next year? Is it going to be--


DAVID NUNO: Like 0 and 16 bad?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, they'll probably win a game or two. Look, the Jags--

DAVID NUNO: Still, we don't know.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We don't know, right? And that's OK. If they trade Deshaun Watson, that means more than likely you're going to get a great package of picks in return. And now we'll officially know that it's a rebuilding process, right?

Because not only will you get picks this year. You'll have your own pick next year. And if you're bad, that means it might be a top four, top five pick, which is great. So it would signal that, hey, look, better times are coming. Everyone just buckle down. It will be OK.

DAVID NUNO: Trade him to a team that's not going to win many games next year. Then you get two first round picks, and then forget about it, OK. Forget about it. Hey--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's what I'm talking about.

DAVID NUNO: Couple of things I want-- obviously, we're about to get heavy into weather. And our next guest that we're going bring on, Kevin Roth, here in a second, I was reading his bio. I know a lot about his history, but I read that he's into nerd talk. So he's going to really fit in greatly on this show.

I watched the "Justice League" trailer, the new one, right? And no spoilers out there. This is kind of a sidetrack. Why do I get upset with people that wear Batman shirts? I feel like I have the trademark on the wearing the Batman shirt in the Houston community.

Seriously, I actually get upset. I'm like, why's that dude wearing a Batman shirt? Doesn't he know that's my thing? You don't wear Batman shirts--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: The Superman shirt was your thing for a long time too. When we first started, you were wearing the Superman shirt a lot more. Remember?

DAVID NUNO: It fit me better, but I have more Batman-- I have like 30 shirts.


DAVID NUNO: I have my Batman hoodie. It's for any occasion you can do it. It bugs me when I see other people wearing It Bugs me.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: In the media or in general?

DAVID NUNO: Oh, in the media, forget about it. That would bug me. Like, I would fight those guys. If I saw Greg Bailey showing up to Texans camp in a Batman shirt, I'm pushing that dude.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'm going to give Greg Bailey a Batman shirt and tell him to wear it. I can't wait to troll you with this now. I'm going to get everyone at the station a Batman shirt, and everyone's going to show up wearing it.

DAVID NUNO: GB would be more of a Clark Kent guy. Let's be honest. He's more of a Clark Kent.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, for sure. For sure.

DAVID NUNO: He's not Bruce Wayne. He's Clark Kent.


DAVID NUNO: So let's do this. Let's talk a little bit about what my kids care about, which is only the snow. That's the only thing they care about. But we've got to remind people. This winter weather that's coming our way, it's dangerous. And we've got the great Kevin Roth with us. What's up, Kevin?

KEVIN ROTH: Hey, what's up, guys? How are you?

DAVID NUNO: I've never had a guy do a green screen show with me. This is awesome. I love it.

KEVIN ROTH: Well, I was going to have a fancy backdrop. I was working to put up like a Batman backdrop just to make you mad. But I couldn't quite get it in time.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Couldn't get-- now are you at the station right now, or are you at home?

KEVIN ROTH: No, I'm at a home studio, but I try to-- I keep it fancy. We got the fancy mic and everything here.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nice. I like it. You respect the show. I love that. See, that's what I'm talking about right there.

KEVIN ROTH: You got to come correct. "No Layups," you got to come right.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, so we've got the obvious winter storm moving in. It's going to start around 4:00 PM, 5:00 PM. That's what the warnings are saying. Get inside. Don't travel. We've already had some icy situations so far. Can you just sum up what's about to happen in the next two days for everyone that's watching?

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, we'll talk weather quickly, and then we'll get back to the sports. We'll get back to the good stuff. But in general, this is something that we haven't seen in Houston maybe ever and certainly not in 30-plus years as far as the extent of the cold.

You nailed it about this winter storm is rolling in. And in Houston at 3 o'clock, that's when our winter storm warning goes into effect. That's when you should probably be off the roads. You might be able to push it another hour or two, but certainly by 5 or 6 o'clock, you need to be off the roads in Houston. If you're farther Northwest, you need to be off the roads earlier than that.

This is going to start as just some rain. As temperatures drop, it's freezing rain. It's just going to be a sheet of ice out there on the roads, incredibly dangerous.

And then we're going to pivot. As colder air moves in, we'll start to see more sleet. This will be a big-time sleet event, which is better than freezing rain, but still is difficult to drive on, still going to be dangerous conditions out there.

And then eventually, at the end of this whole process, as cooler air continues to move in, we're going to change over sometime tonight, and probably very early tomorrow morning more realistically, into a snow event. And at that point, obviously, still slick outside, but less worrisome than the freezing rain or the sleet.

But we're going to see it all. We're going to run the gamut here over the next, what, 12 to 24 hours.

DAVID NUNO: Kevin, I feel dumb for saying this out loud. And I guarantee there's some other Houstonians that feel the same way I do. And I would think Raheel is one of the dumb ones as well. I don't really understand the difference between snow and-- what are the three distinctions? Here, I wrote them down. I actually wrote notes for this interview. How about that?

KEVIN ROTH: Oh, great. Look at you, coming prepared.

DAVID NUNO: OK, snow, sleet, freezing rain, and rain. Obviously, I know what rain is. But I was trying to look at the weather, and I was like, all right. 29 degrees, that's snow, baby. If it's raining, it's snowing. But there's really a difference. Can you kind of explain the atmosphere, how that affects what we see and why it's not-- my kids are looking at the temperatures like, dad, it's going to snow all night. Not necessarily.

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, so if it was the same temperature throughout the entire atmosphere, then you're right. Once it's below 32 degrees, it would be all snow. But in Houston, that's usually not the case. We have what's called a warm nose or a warm layer in the atmosphere.

So as the snowflakes are falling, they hit this warm air mass, and they start melting. And that's when it becomes-- in the case we'll talk about first, it starts to melt fully into rain. And then right at the surface, you have that freezing temperature.

As that rain falls, it hits the ground. It hits the street. It hits the concrete. Whatever it hits, it freezes on contact. That is freezing rain, and that's what creates that glaze, that black ice, all of those terrible things.

Sleet is very similar, except it doesn't melt quite as much. So that snowflake falls. It melts a little bit into a little water droplet. And then as it falls, it refreezes. The cold air mass at the surface is a little deeper.

So as that little rain droplet that was snow continues to fall through the colder air mass, it refreezes into a little ice pellet. That is sleet. And it's those ice pellets, that sleet that we are going to see a whole lot of as we get into tonight and very early tomorrow morning.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Obviously, the roads are going to be horrible. You're going to have a lot of slick conditions out there. Everything is suggesting that, look, Monday-- or starting tonight, as you mentioned, it's going to start. It's going to get cold. The roads are going get bad. Tuesday is going to be a lot colder.

But what happens on Wednesday and Thursday? There's some models showing that we might be in this for a few days potentially, right?

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, and that's one of the wildest things about this entire week is that it's not just this once in a lifetime or once in a decade storm that we're going to see tonight and tomorrow morning. There's more on the heels of that.

So Tuesday morning, it is historic cold. We're going to have low temperatures in the teens, low temperatures in the single digits, pipe-bursting cold, bring your pets in cold, bring your plants in cold, dangerous, dangerous cold that should not be underestimated.

And then, as you mentioned, Wednesday we have another system moving in right on top of that cold air. So we could see another winter storm on Wednesday. How far South the snow line is in that is still a question mark.

And then again early Thursday, we could still see more wintry precipitation. So the bottom line is, where you are tonight, I hope you like that spot. I hope you like those people. Because you might be stranded there for a while, possibly with power outages.

Travel's going to be a nightmare. It is something that we haven't seen in at least a very long time and maybe to a degree that we've never seen here in Houston.

DAVID NUNO: Kevin, I'm going to ask a question, then I'm going to talk for a few seconds after the question, kind of ruin the question.

KEVIN ROTH: OK, sounds fun.

DAVID NUNO: Do you ever get sick of talking weather? And what I mean by that is we talk sports all the time, right? And sometimes when I go to my mom's house for dinner with my parents, and she asks me about JJ Watt, I don't want to talk about it. I'm like, yeah, he's leaving. I'm just like, I've done it all day.

Do you find yourself maybe in a-- because you're actually protecting people, right? I'm providing some analysis in sports. You're actually saving people's lives by telling them to stay home. Do you ever get sick of like, look, man, I'm on "No Layups." I don't want to talk about the freaking weather. I want to talk about JJ. Do you find yourself that way?

KEVIN ROTH: I love talking about whether. I could do it all day long. But if there's one other thing that I really do love, it's sports. I'm a sports guy. So if there's one thing that can trump weather talk, especially when I'm on "No Layups," yeah, I'm down to talk about sports any time.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What's the coldest event that you've covered before this?

KEVIN ROTH: Oof, this might be it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: This is it, right?

KEVIN ROTH: I'm a Florida guy. I worked in Dallas before this. I think in Dallas, we got about this cold when I was working there. But this, we're looking at windchill values of around 0 or potentially below 0. That's probably not just the coldest I've ever covered, but probably the coldest I've ever felt as well.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Now will you go work out in this weather, David?

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was going to-- I didn't want to say it on the show because I felt like I'd become that kind of-- that guy. But I was already thinking to myself, it looks like I probably won't have a sports set at 5:30. And I know they're going to use me for weather coverage. I was thinking to myself, maybe I can get to the gym after the show and be back before the roads freeze. And according to Kevin, I might have an extra hour or so. So I might--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, I wouldn't risk it.



KEVIN ROTH: Though that extra hour is like you absolutely need to do something, like pick up your grandma and take-- not like, I want to go to the gym and get a workout in. At 3 o'clock, all voluntary travel should be cut off for sure. So you can do some--

DAVID NUNO: I would go to the gym before I pick up my grandmother. That's a fact.

KEVIN ROTH: Oh my gosh.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: See, you don't-- yeah, Kevin, this is your first time on this show. Nuno-- he's a maniac with that.

KEVIN ROTH: Feel like you can do some squats right where you are. You do some bicep curls with whatever you got nearby. You don't need a gym sesh today.

DAVID NUNO: All right.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's what I did in the morning. I just did an indoor workout, and then I had to go throw a weighted ball around. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to put a sweatshirt on, put some pants on, go do that real quickly, and it's all good. Wrap the pipes, put some tarp on the flowers, and we're good now.


DAVID NUNO: By the way, speaking of wrap the pipes, I'm not saying you're-- what's his name, Tim Allen from Tool Time. I know that you can't help me fix my house, right? But I believe because you're a meteorologist, you have probably enough expertise here.

A lot of people are covering what they need to cover. I don't know what to cover other than my irrigation system for my-- what do you call it? My sprinkler. I didn't even know the name of it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Backflow. Got to cover the backflow.

DAVID NUNO: I took it off. I drained the little water guy, put a little towel on it, a little trash bag on top of that. Anything else I got to do, or am I good? Because I feel like I'm good.

KEVIN ROTH: I think you might be missing one thing. Hoses.


KEVIN ROTH: Hoses-- you got to disconnect all the hoses, and then cover up any of the little spigot or the faucet where the hose comes out of. Cover that up, insulate that. And then if you have any pool equipment, any pool-- sometimes those pipes are up out of the ground as well. Need to cover that.

And a lot of these older homes in Houston, in the attic, they have exposed piping up above the insulation. And the temperature in your attic is also going to get to just about the outside ambient temperature. So you might want to cover those as well only because of the extent of the cold that we're going to see.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: My neighbor today-- he came over. He saw somebody do this on his-- he's a postal man. So he saw somebody on his route do this. Instead of get-- because right now, all the pipe-- what do you call those things? The little insulation things on the pipe. I'm blanking on the word, but everyone sold out of those.

So what you can do is take a pool noodle-- take a pool noodle, cut that noodle up, and use that as your little insulation there. So that's what we did.

KEVIN ROTH: That's a pro move. Raheel is the pro here.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yo, I'm dropping knowledge on you. Shout-out to my neighbor Chris. He's like, man, you did a horrible job wrapping your pipes. Let me come help you. And I was like, thank you, Chris. You're the best.

KEVIN ROTH: We all need a Chris in our lives, for sure.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, absolutely.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, Kevin, so when you first started at 13, you stopped by the sports office. And you told me a little bit of your sports background. I don't know if Raheel knows much about it and our audience. But tell us how you've dabbled in both sports and weather in your career.

KEVIN ROTH: Sure, yeah. I've always been-- I love weather, but I grew up playing sports. I watch sports. It's what I do. And I kind of fell into or created this opportunity where one of the things that I do on the side, along with just being a normal weather man, is I'm a sports meteorologist.

And the first one that I know of-- I might be the only one in the country. But in general, the idea being fantasy football, fantasy sports is getting so big. And I was looking at all these people using to get their data for these games to figure out if it's going to rain at a baseball game or how windy it's going to be in a football game.

And those forecasts just aren't accurate. You need a real meteorologist if you're going to try to nail down, how much rain are we going to see? When are the winds going to shift? All of these different details that have huge, huge impacts on the outcome of a game-- how many points they score, how many home runs are hit.

So I started really digging into weather and how it impacts sports. And the data there is just fascinating. I could talk about that all day long, but I don't want to really bore you guys.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, that's sounds-- that's a great thing. I mean, from, as you mentioned, fantasy football, the rise of other extracurricular activities with football. I don't want to-- you know what I'm saying. It's legal in a lot of places now.

KEVIN ROTH: Yup, that one.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So you definitely want to know-- if the wind is whipping around in Baltimore, and Lamar Jackson already isn't a good passer, you might want to know that for the under, right? That's great.

KEVIN ROTH: Absolutely. And what I love about it is that a lot of these places are park dependent or stadium dependent. In baseball, for example, in Chicago, Wrigley Field, if you have a southerly wind in Wrigley Field, it creates this huge jet stream. So you see this massive increase in home runs.

On a windy day in Wrigley, with a South wind, you can see an expected increase in home runs over 100%. So more than twice as many home runs than what you would normally hit.

Or conversely, if the winds are out of the North, you're going to see about 50% of the total average number of home runs hit. So that park is extremely sensitive to wind, where other parks, like in San Francisco, that park is designed to block the wind. So the same exact wind in Chicago has a huge impact. That wind over in San Francisco has zero impact.

And you need to study the stadiums. You need to look at the statistics, dig into the data to know where it matters, why does it matter, what wind direction matters where. It's fascinating. I love it.

DAVID NUNO: Kevin, when we started this show, we kind of looked at 2020 and 2021 and all the sports stars leaving. And I can't help but notice, but since you've gotten to town, we've lost all of our athletes, Kevin. I'm just saying.

KEVIN ROTH: It's been so bad. I came here about two years ago, thinking I am moving to the sports capital of the United States right now. We're in such a good spot. The Texans have this great, young quarterback. And the Rockets have an MVP candidate in James Harden. And the Astros are winning the World Series.

It's all falling apart, man. Everything is falling apart. And I don't know what's going on. But thankfully, I still-- I really do love this Rockets team, maybe even more so now than when we had Harden. I love the heart and the hustle. And they just play with a chip on their shoulder.

These are lower drafted guys. These are guys who have been injured and written off. And they're banding together. They're more than the sum of their parts. They're really a fun team to watch. So I've really gotten into the Rockets more now, even though maybe they're not as good as when we had Harden and Russ.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, absolutely. It's been fun to watch this team. And so Nuno and I have been off the James Harden train like since 2016 roughly. I was done. Nuno has been done with him. And it just-- there's a different attitude about this team, which is nice to watch it.

Unfortunately, I think on a lot of nights, they're going to be outmatched talent-wise. We've seen it the past few games where you're like, man, even the Knicks have a lot more talent right now. But they're always going to play hard, and that's a great thing. If they can just get healthy, man, they could make a run, hopefully.

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, they're a super fun team. And it's just-- it's about building the right mentality of a team, to me, where when you have a guy like Harden, who's not playing defense and who's jacking up step-back 3's repeatedly and taking bad shots, just the whole team gets into this lazy offensive mindset. And we're not going to play defense.

But now you're building a team the right way with hustle and effort and energy and defense. And yeah, we don't have the skill or the talent that a lot of other teams do. But eventually, we'll either build that, draft that, trade for that. And hopefully, that'll get us to where we want to be, building it up the right way.

DAVID NUNO: Kevin, let's get to some nerd talk. I love to do fake fight scenarios. If the weather department was in a battle royal, OK, my money's on David Tillman. But I'm curious, who would you take in a battle royal between everybody in the weather department?

KEVIN ROTH: Elita. Elita, man. She's feisty. She's got a low center of gravity. She would be tough. I think if this was a battle royale, she'd be throwing everybody else out of the ring. Elita's the winner here.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Elita's the OG with us. We love Elita. She's the best.

KEVIN ROTH: She's fantastic. I watched her on air before I met her. And I was like, oh, she's so personable. And she comes across as so kind. I wonder what she's really like? So and then I met her, and she is that person. She is so kind. She's like the mom of the stage. She's just so kind and so sweet. She's the best. Love Elita.

DAVID NUNO: And how about the brains of the operation? Well, I mean, we've got several brains there. But Travis Herzog, [? MDT, ?] the whole gang-- Rachel does a great job. Obviously, you do-- Elita. But Travis has really stepped into that chief role and done an amazing job.

KEVIN ROTH: Those guys are so smart. I am just surrounded by people I can learn from every day. Literally, every one of them, I learn something every single day. And to have somebody like Travis, who, by the way, was voted-- I didn't know this. He was voted the best meteorologist in the country. He's the number one meteorologist in the country--


KEVIN ROTH: --voted on by his peers. He's the number one dog. You know, not Cantore or anyone else. It's Travis Herzog who is voted best meteorologist in the country.

And then having a guy like David, who has that incredible forecasting experience. He's been here for 30 years, and he has seen it all. He knows everything. And Rachel is so strong with her graphics. She makes things that I get to go on air and use. And people are like, wow, nice graphic. That was Rachel. That was Rachel who did that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So when you have this-- when there's so many talented people in one weather department, and you have-- let's go back to the hurricane that we had over the summer, right? Or even this weather pattern that we're about to see with the winter storm.

Is it almost like a group text where you go, hey, man, look, there's something on the horizon here? I think the European model is showing this, and Tillman's like, no, actually, I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen. Is there a back and forth, or is there-- you just take the lead from, let's say, Travis?

KEVIN ROTH: No, here is the group text right. Now that is a THETA-E plot from Tillman in our group text. He's talking about, look at the way the THETA-E column decreases from 750 millibars to 550 millibars. This is constant.

This is a team effort in a group text. It's not just like, I do my thing. Next person comes in and does their thing. And it's not like that in most shops, honestly. Like, I've worked around the country. Usually, it's like, I got my job. You do your job. Let's not screw it up.

But here it is just this incredible group effort constantly, constant communication. And it's amazing. I truly believe it's the best weather team in the country. And I'm happy to be a part of it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And that's why I'm asking is because when I interned in Austin, I was at a station-- I don't want to say which station. But there were three weather people on the staff there. And I would work with all three.

And they would be like, yo, she's going to be so wrong on this one. And they would adjust what they-- like, what she had just said literally last hour, and he would come in with a whole new thing. I'm like, this can't be normal. But I guess it kind of is.

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, that is for a lot of teams, a lot of stations around the country-- that's how it goes. But we're always talking about any changes that we could make. If I'm going to change someone's forecast, we're going to talk about it before it happens.

And that's why, not to compare, but if you look at our numbers and you look at other stations' numbers, ours will stay more consistent because we're doing it together. We're not just bouncing up and down and throwing random numbers at the board.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh, we lost David Nuno there. So that's all right.

KEVIN ROTH: That's all right. I mean, we were kind of carrying the show, to be fair.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, absolutely. I could talk weather. I've said this on previous shows. I love looking at models and doing all that stuff. And if there was a different life, I would probably be doing weather and being a meteorologist. So I love it. So I could talk with this all the time. Real quickly, because we always talk about the dew point, explain the dew point for all the people.

KEVIN ROTH: Sure. A dew point is just-- why do you always talk about the dew point, just out of curiosity?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We just love--

DAVID NUNO: Let me say why.


DAVID NUNO: Well, hold on. I've got a reason for it. It's the training mechanism, right? So when you go running, and the dew point is high, it really affects how well you run. And it makes no sense to me. Like, the dew point's at 76. It's unhealthy to run in. Whatever, dude. 74, it's fine. I don't understand it. So I've read it, but bring it.

KEVIN ROTH: OK, the best way to describe dew point is that it is a better way to measure humidity. We always look at relative humidity, which is a percentage. That number is terrible. It compares the amount of moisture in the air to the temperature.

So if it's a really hot and really-- and let's say it is a very cold day, but with a good amount of humidity, the relative humidity could be like 90%, but the high temperature is 50. So it's not humid. If it's 50 degrees out, it's not humid. That's a garbage number.

A dew point is just the measure of moisture in the air. That's it. That is simply what it is. It's technically the point at which dew forms if the temperature were to drop to it. But it's just a better way of measuring humidity.

So if it's hot out, the dew point doesn't bounce up and down between day and night. It stays consistent. If a dew point is over 70, that's pretty muggy. In Houston during the summertime, it is always over 70. But dew point is-- don't sleep on the dew point, guys. Dew point is a wonderful, wonderful tool.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, we're a dew point-friendly show. We love-- we're not being funny or sarcastic. We love a good dew point because we work out a lot outside for our runs, Nuno's bike rides. We love it, OK?

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, hey, a low dew point--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Give me a 64 dew point, I'm good.

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, if you can get those dew points--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: See, you get it.

KEVIN ROTH: --especially in the summertime, like in the 50s or low 60s, oh, glorious stuff.

DAVID NUNO: Never happened in Houston. I've looked at the dew point every-- it could be wintertime, and like, oh, we've got to get in the 60s. 74, what?

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, well, the dew point can't be higher than the temperature. So right now, you have a nice low dew point. Sadly, not going to help us a whole lot with this winter storm coming in.

DAVID NUNO: And Kevin, you heard us talking superheroes. You're into the nerd talk. What does that mean though? Do you watch superhero movies? You're talking more fantasy, like "Lord of the Rings" kind of thing? What are you into?

KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, I read a lot, which is like only a little nerdy. But I basically only read about dragons and magic. So that really ups the nerd level there. Yeah, I love--


KEVIN ROTH: Yeah, I love fantasy. I like books, movies.

DAVID NUNO: "Game of Thrones"?

KEVIN ROTH: Oh, of course. I read the "Game of Thrones" books like 15 years ago.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Of course, you did.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I was going to say, he's probably judging us. He's like, you guys aren't nerds. OK, I've read the books.

DAVID NUNO: "WandaVision"?

KEVIN ROTH: I have not seen "WandaVision." I've heard good things. I definitely want to check it out. I really don't do the superhero thing all that much. You know, if it's on, I'll scope out a movie, but that's not my bag. So you don't have to worry about me stealing your Batman swag over there, Nuno.

DAVID NUNO: That's my look, man. Gotta keep it.

KEVIN ROTH: [LAUGHS] It's my look.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Right, Kevin's going to show up with a Gandalf shirt. The great. All right, man, that's awesome.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, Kevin, so last thoughts as we enter this arctic blast or whatever we're calling it. Just what do you want to make sure that the viewers of this show take home with them? Or they should be home already, but what they absorb from your information today.

KEVIN ROTH: OK, two really important things. One is don't pretend or assume this isn't going to happen, and just hope that it doesn't hit, because it is happening. There's no question marks about whether or not we are going to see record cold temperatures and a historic ice storm. That is happening. It will start tonight.

So if you're like, oh, I don't really want to wrap the pipes, it'll probably be fine, it won't be fine. You need to do those things because this is going to happen. And it's going to have impacts that are going to last for days if not beyond that.

The other thing is just to stay off the roads. And we'll put the cutoff in Houston roughly 3 o'clock. That's when that winter storm warning goes into effect. So that is your safe time. Before 3 o'clock, you're safe. After 3 o'clock, every hour you push it, that temperature starts to fall. You're going to be more likely to run into some of that freezing precipitation.

Stay off the roads once that happens. Don't get back on the roads until you get an all clear. Because we could potentially be seeing difficult travel conditions and dangerous travel conditions until Friday afternoon, which, ugh, it's just awful. It's awful to even say. But you might not be able to travel safely until Friday afternoon.

DAVID NUNO: Well, the best part of that is I'll be doing sports from home in that case, guys. So I'll be doing it from home. Everybody needs to stay safe. Kevin, we've been wanting to do this for a while. So I appreciate you making some time for us. And you're doing great. We're happy to have you here at ABC 13. And let's stay safe, everyone.

KEVIN ROTH: Sounds good. Thank you guys so much for having me. It is a blast to be-- it's an honor to be on the "No Layups" podcast. And yeah, like you said, everybody stay safe. And we'll do this again sometime.

DAVID NUNO: You got it, my friend.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Absolutely, man.

DAVID NUNO: Take care.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Thank you, Kevin. Nice meeting you.

DAVID NUNO: You had to cut him off when he's in the middle of good meeting you. Like, you could have left him on.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I don't know. The timing-- I don't know. I have to time it. You know what? I made an executive decision there, and I cut him off.

DAVID NUNO: So well, hey, I'm a little stressed out about tomorrow morning. We have a pretty big interview that's supposed to happen tomorrow at 9:00 AM.


DAVID NUNO: I'm not going to say who it is, but he's a Latino-- I don't know if he's Grammy award winning, but I'm going to say he is. Why not? And I'm scared that the power is going to go out at 9:00 AM, or your Wi-Fi is going to go out.

And I've been working on this interview for almost a year, Raheel. So I'm going to actually power up my My-Fi. I'm getting my laptop. I'm having backups. Are you going to be ready to go for Nicky Jam tomorrow at 9:00 AM?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's my biggest fear is what's going to happen with the power situation, right? I've been getting notifications from ERCOT all day. Like, go ahead and turn off your lights, and don't do "No Layups." And I was like, sorry, ERCOT, I got to do "No Layups."

But I think the grid is going to get overwhelmed here. And it's a crazy time. So that is my big fear that we might lose power. I don't know if I'll be able to do it if we don't have Wi-Fi tomorrow morning. But hopefully, it's not that bad yet, and that will be OK.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: So we'll kind of make it work. But that is my biggest fear is the loss of power. Because there's no workaround for that, right? If you lose power, there goes your heating. There goes any entertainment you have. So you just kind of have to make it work.

And I think we're going to start seeing-- there might be some brownouts, right? Because the grid might be overwhelmed. This is just what I think is going to happen. It's not official. So nobody-- I might get in trouble for even saying that. But yeah, that's my big fear right now.

I've wrapped all my pipes. I am going to go put a garbage bag over my overflow system, my backflow system on the sprinklers. That's a good idea.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And put some bags over the pipes. But other than that, it's just buckle in, guys. And then when it starts snowing, I'll probably go play outside with my daughter. And that's it.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, it looks like 6:00 AM to 8:00 AM you're going to get a lot of snow as well.

DAVID NUNO: OK, good, good.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, so she'll be awake by 8:00. Yeah.

DAVID NUNO: We should be good to go. Hey, so I did an interview with Justin Reid. I don't know if you-- you don't have to have it ready just yet. But that we used on the news report. We haven't had a lot of sports because of the weather, obviously. We've kind of been condensed, so just parts of the interview that did not run. So we're going to run a portion of that here on "No Layups."

But the reason for me talking to Justin was because of the JJ situation, right? So JJ announces he's leaving the team. So I reached out to a couple folks. And Justin was very kind in responding and coming on and doing a quick interview for me.

And one of the things we talked about-- obviously, we talked about JJ's legacy. We talked about the need for a leader moving forward on the defensive side. I know Whit's there. I know Justin's been a vocal leader. But having to take a bigger step as the team captain. We talked about that.

And also, one of the things that I asked Justin straight up is like-- it's always awkward to ask players about other players in the middle of a dispute with the organization. So I tried to phrase my question to him about the Deshaun situation as nice as I could. I just said, hey, how frustrating or how difficult has it been with all this noise going on in the background?

And the great Justin Reid-- look at that set. We did this-- so we had a cooking segment with Goya the other day. And I had to run to the car and do-- I look like a pro, don't I? Doesn't that look like a pro?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You do. You were hustling. You were doing like five things at once. So I mean, this is it. I think this is-- so I'm going to play it. And I think it goes right into Justin's first answer. So I don't know what the first question was. But it probably was, what do you like better, pineapples or mangoes?

DAVID NUNO: That's what I asked him, actually.

JUSTIN REID: Yeah, it's always tough to say goodbye, especially to a great player. I mean, JJ-- the things he did on the field, the work ethic and passion he showed for the game. He really put out a map for a lot of guys, especially coming into the program after him, to have an image of what it looks like of how do you become great. You know what I mean?

So you got to see it every day. It's not every day you get to play alongside a Hall-of-Famer. So just an incredible player, incredible person overall on the field and off the field. And I wish him the best in whatever the next chapter is for him, whatever team he goes to. He deserves a championship, and we want to win a championship here too. But if he thinks he has a better opportunity at that elsewhere, he's definitely earned the right to go chase it.

DAVID NUNO: I think everybody in Houston would like to see you guys get a championship first, obviously. But how cool would it be for JJ to get that chip for his career?

JUSTIN REID: Yeah, I think that's the last missing piece for him. I mean, three-time Defensive Player of the Year, Walter Payton Man of the Year. I mean, even the things he did in Hurricane Harvey and continues to still be down on the field, I think that's the last little token he needs for him to really solidify his legacy.

DAVID NUNO: Justin, how tough has this offseason been with all the noise that's been going on with the front office to Deshaun, now JJ moving? How tough is it as a player?

JUSTIN REID: Yeah, man, it's tough. There's a lot of moving pieces. There's a lot of energy and drama, a lot of different perspectives on everything that's going around. Honestly, the best thing I feel like I can do as a player is just keep my head down and keep working hard and get ready. You know what I mean? And figure out what I can do better.

All that other stuff, that's handled by the front office and by the coaches. That's their job and responsibility to deal with it. It hasn't been easy. I don't see it becoming easier in the next couple weeks, next couple of months.

But you know what I mean? You just got to keep chopping wood and see what happens. And in the end, everything's going to happen the way it's supposed to happen.

DAVID NUNO: Last thing for you, just this is an opportunity for a lot of the younger leaders like yourself to really become a vocal leader for this team. And I think you guys might need someone like you. Just how much do you embrace this moment to really kind of help move them in the right direction here in the future?

JUSTIN REID: Yeah, I'm not afraid of the challenge. That was always my mentality. I hoped JJ would stay, but that's what I was going to do anyway this season is try and be more of a voice, more of a leader, really get this ship turned into the right direction of the type of team and franchise that we want to be.

So I'm not scared of stepping up to the challenge about that. It can't just be only me. We're going to need a bunch of guys to step up to fill up-- you know what I mean-- the gaps that we have to fill now, replacing JJ, replacing a whole host of characters that we've lost.

So that's just the nature of the business. It's how the NFL works. It's consistently moving pieces. And I'm on board to try and get this right. You know what I mean? I want to do the best of my ability for the city of Houston, for the fans, for my teammates to pour everything I've got into it to try and get us turning to the direction that we want to go.

DAVID NUNO: You're a gentleman. Thank you so much for joining me, man, on short notice. I appreciate you.

There it is, Justin Reid, who he didn't have a great season last year. Well, but who did on the defense, right? And sometimes you wonder if it's the other parts that really kind of made the whole thing look bad. Safeties are always those ones that are easy to-- safeties and defensive backs, you always point at them.

But sometimes it's really not their fault. It's the defensive scheme, or it's somebody else didn't do their job. But one thing you can always say about Justin, he will face criticism. He will lead. Even as a rookie, do remember him as a rookie? The way he kind of just spoke, he commanded the room.

He's just-- and safeties are always picked on. They just are. I remember to the days of Daniel Manning and whatnot and even before that. So I really like what Justin brings to the table. And the Texans really need him to step up his play and his voice. And I think he's looking forward to that challenge.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Let me ask you a question about JJ. I saw this conversation on Twitter, and I thought it was really interesting from a lot of fans. Which player brought more prominence and national attention to the Houston Texans-- Andre Johnson or JJ Watt?



DAVID NUNO: More national prominence? Yeah, JJ.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Right, because Andre was the best receiver at times. He also played in an era where there was a lot of great receivers, putting up some incredible numbers. But he was the first great Texan, right? There's no denying that. He's a Hall-of-Famer in my eyes. He's going to go down as one of the great Texans. He already is. But JJ brought a whole different level of prominence to this franchise.

DAVID NUNO: Well, I'll say this. JJ might be, aside from Deshaun Watson, and maybe not even Deshaun, the one guy that can do "Saturday Night Live," right, and get invited to those kind of events. To be not only a power couple with he and Kealia, to just the red carpet access or status that he had at the ESPYs and every big event he was at. And wasn't he on the show on FX, the fantasy football show?


DAVID NUNO: "The League." he was on there. JJ was bigger-- JJ is the kind of guy that you hear him say he could be an actor in Hollywood and do like The Rock or whatever those-- I'm not saying he's going to be doing that. My point is he's that bigger-than-life personality that I don't think we've ever seen.

Hakeem Olajuwon was the greatest athlete we've ever had in this town, in my opinion. But Hakeem was a different level of superstar, a quieter, lead by his example on the floor. JJ Watt-- not only was he the best player at his position, and I think one year should have been the MVP. He was also bigger than life off the field.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: The one thing I can say about JJ that no NFL player has been able to pull off, especially in the last 10 years, obviously, on field is great, but off the field, he has his own signature shoe from Reebok that does really well. Like, it's in its fourth iteration now. Reebok hasn't had to pull the plug on it, right?

Because sometimes we'll see some athletes get their shoe, and then two years later it disappears because it just didn't do good numbers. But JJ has commanded enough attention and is famous enough and is big enough for people to go buy this shoe in the NFL.

In the NBA, signature shoes are commonplace. That's fine. Nobody does it in Major League Baseball, and it's rare in the NFL. What other NFL player do you remember having a signature shoe that actually lasted? I can't think of one.

DAVID NUNO: I can't either.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, like, it's rare, right? Think of the biggest stars this game has seen. Tom Brady doesn't have one. Peyton Manning didn't have one, right? Deshaun doesn't have one. It's rare. But JJ pulled it off, and he so-- I mean, he's beyond sports famous. He's just famous now.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, no, I think I brought this up on the show before. But there was a funny thing. Do you remember a couple of years back, I think, JJ and Harry Kane, who-- most people in our audience don't know who Harry Kane is. Harry Kane is a forward Tottenham Hotspur in the EPL.

They did an event together. I forget what it was for. I think JJ visited there. And they both tweeted at each other. And if you look at the comments on each side, it was funny how people on the Harry Kane side like, who's this JJ guy? And then people on the JJ side were like, who's this Harry Kane guy, right?

But JJ has now, and really, even at that point, became a global name. He's one of the most recognizable sports athletes in the world. Tom Brady-- I mean, I guess LeBron, Tom Brady. Who's bigger than those two guys? That's it, right?

And then I'm saying JJ is number three, but he's definitely in the conversation for recognizable sports figures from the United States around the world.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: The NFL is always behind, right?

DAVID NUNO: Helmets.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: There's so many various factors-- the helmets. It's really just a popular American sport. It's not a worldwide sport, right? So around the world, I would say Tom Brady is number one. After that, Mahomes would be up there now because he has so many commercials--

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, Mahomes, yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: --that he's doing. But I don't know around the world, right? I don't have the pulse of the world, unfortunately.

DAVID NUNO: You got to put Mahomes ahead of JJ. Yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, Mahomes is more-- yeah.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, yeah. I should have-- but over the last decade, JJ is--



RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And one of the great things about JJ is it all started on the field. The reason he's so famous is because of on-field efforts. Now did the Hurricane Harvey relief fund thing take him to the next level, right? When Ellen DeGeneres and every A-list celebrity is donating and tweeting about it, yes, that took it to the next level.

But he had accomplished so much already on the field before that, and he was already famous before that, right? Like, making appearances on a lot of shows. So I'm always going to remember him for taking this franchise to next level stardom.

The Texans actually mattered. It wasn't just, oh, there's a nice receiver there, but it actually mattered. You know who I compare the Texans to before then? It would be the Chargers. We know the Chargers are there, but does anybody care about them? Truthfully, nobody cares, right? Philip Rivers kind of made them important, but nobody cares about the Chargers.

DAVID NUNO: Did Junior Seau make them important?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yes, Junior Seau did make them important. But did you care about them? But that's the impact like Junior Seau had is you cared about them. That's the same thing with JJ. He made people care about the Texans, talk about them on the national stage as well.

DAVID NUNO: And I think Deshaun, obviously, brings that same kind of swagger as well, even though I was told the other day swagger's not a word that we use anymore.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, yeah, Julia told us not to use it because she got in trouble.

DAVID NUNO: What do we use, mushroom?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Mushroom is not one either. I would say he brings a lot of relevance. How about we go back to the dictionary and we bring relevance back?

DAVID NUNO: Hey, Raheezy, we have a station meeting at 2 o'clock to discuss weather coverage. But we still got a little bit more to go on this show. I know that you have a new topic and a new Sunday staple into the show that you kind of surprised me with the direction we're going to. You didn't give me-- like, you told me we're going to do this topic. And I thought I was going to be able to pick whatever song I wanted.

But now we have like an actual-- so explain the game or not the game. [INAUDIBLE]

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's our Sunday segment called Songs That Shaped Us. You and I both love music a lot. We always talk about music. We're sharing musical selections with each other off air as well. We love it, right? Music, I think, was the first thing that kind of bonded us two as well. Our love for Kanye West, we were like immediate, we became friends.

So every Sunday, we're going to do a thing called Songs That Shaped Us. And most of the times, we won't have a theme. But today, because it is Valentine's Day, it's a day of love. I thought it would be fun to do one with love songs.

So this could be any song. It's just, what shaped your musical experience, shaped you personally? What makes you listen to other songs now? Anything. Like whatever the topic or whatever the criteria is for you personally, that's it. There's no right or wrong here. So the segment is called Songs That Shaped Us. Today it's love songs.

DAVID NUNO: Do you want me to go first, or you want to go first?


DAVID NUNO: So the love song that I picked in this one is a song by Common Sense, now known as Common. It's called "I Used to Love H.E.R." And H-E-R has a period in between. And the song uses a love for a woman as a metaphor for love for hip hop. And H.E.R. stands for hip hop at its essence is real.

I remember hearing this song. I think I was in high school when it came out. This is like maybe before you were born, Raheel. And I remember hearing it and thinking to myself, oh, this song's about this girl he's in love with.

And then as you kind of listen and you get the Easter eggs, if you will, of what he's talking about, he's actually talking about how his love for hip hop has gone through these metamorphosis and changes throughout the years, from the way it was in the beginning days to the Public Enemy days, if you will, to what we saw in hip hop in the early '90s to the late '90s.

[INAUDIBLE] movement, that little bit more melody. You also have the gangsta rap style. So it kind of equates all of that into this song. So I'm going with Common Sense, "I Used to Love H.E.R." Hip hop in its essence is real.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And I'm going to add one more thing to that. That format of talking about one thing, and then the payoff at the end was used by one of our favorite artists, Kanye West, on his album "Graduation," the track "Homecoming" with Chris Martin.

And you listen to his song, and you're like, oh, this is Kanye's love song for his first love. And it turns out it was for his hometown, Chicago. So that format has been duplicated a few times, actually, but I think most famously with Kanye's "Homecoming." So that's a great song. I thought you're going to do Common-- something else my Common. I didn't know it was going to be-- huh?

DAVID NUNO: What did you think?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I thought you were going to do "The Light."

DAVID NUNO: Oh, I could have done that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: "The Light" is a great song.

DAVID NUNO: I was actually not going to go hip hop on you. I was going to go old school R&B. I was going to go Heatwave, "Always and Forever," which, to me, is a jam. And we actually played it at our wedding. But I was like, it didn't shape me. I just like that song.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You just like it. Yeah.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, "I Used to Love H.E.R." actually was, like, really moved me in the mid '90s to my love for hip hop.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's awesome. Mine is-- it's a hip hop, R&B joint venture. So this song was released in '96, I believe, 112's "Only You." And to me, that was the first time I heard a song and was like, wait, what genre is this?

Because you've got the R&B essence of 112. And then you've got Mase coming in and P Diddy in the background as well with the hip hop vibes and the East Coast vibe. And to me, the lyrics are great. It flows so well. That was the first song when I was like, whoa, what is this? This is incredible.

And then, of course, 112 and Bad Boy, they put out some great songs as well. But "Only You," to me, was a song that shaped me into loving R&B a lot more than I was loving it at that point, being-- I think I was in the sixth grade. So like it really entered me into the R&B space.

DAVID NUNO: If any of those bands that we just mentioned-- or rappers, I should say-- performed at a halftime show at a Super Bowl, we would see nothing but hate. But on "No Layups," they get nothing but love.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nothing but love, so that's it. That's Songs That Shaped Us. Every week, we're going to do that. Big thanks to Kevin. He was awesome, man. He has come back on with us. You know who hasn't joined us? Elita. In the-- like, she's just-- she's ignored us.

DAVID NUNO: Well, you know why? We haven't asked her. It's kind of our fault.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's a good point. Yeah.

DAVID NUNO: We gotta ask. It's kind of like, we haven't asked. So you can't expect--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: She's probably thinking right now--

DAVID NUNO: --she shows up [INAUDIBLE].

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, she's probably thinking right now, wow, are Raheel and David mad at me? They haven't even asked me, not that we were friends.

DAVID NUNO: Chances Elita watches the show on her own spare time.


DAVID NUNO: Yeah, I was going to say so.


DAVID NUNO: By the way, wifey give me a good idea. We need to make some kind of contest for people who watch the show and who share it. Because we are only on the ABC 13 app, right? We're not on any-- and so it's kind of like an exclusive family that gets to watch the show.

So we've got to come up with a way how you can interact with the show, share it, and we'll make you feel-- get like a Raheel air hug or something like that. We'll figure something out.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, if you're still watching right now, tweet us the word muffin, right? Was that your word? No, mushroom, mushroom.

DAVID NUNO: Mushroom. If anybody tweets me mushroom, we'll do something special. I don't know what that special is, but--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I'll send back-- if you tweet the word mushroom, tag me and David, @davidnunoabc13, @the_raheel. If you send the word mushroom, I will send back a personalized video, a Cameo, OK, if you want. And you can do one too.

DAVID NUNO: Hold on. Hold on. Here's the deal. It's not just Twitter. Because some people are Instagram users.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, Instagram too.

DAVID NUNO: Some people are Facebook people. Some people are-- what's the job one? I don't have a job one. What's it called? LinkedIn?


DAVID NUNO: OK. If you reach out to us on any of those formats--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Any format. Yeah, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: OK, doesn't matter, and you say, #mushroom--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: We got you. We'll send you back a personalized video, thanking you.

DAVID NUNO: It won't be any good, the personalized video. It may be OK.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, it's going to be quick and probably like, yo, thank you.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, stay safe. Stay warm. But we'll do it. All right, man, we gotta go.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right, man. Thank you. Good luck. Stay safe out there, everyone. And hopefully, it's not too bad, but brace yourselves. It could be really bad in this winter storm.

DAVID NUNO: And by the way, I am going to go to the pool if I can get away. Just for the record, I am.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh, wow. OK, good luck, man. Stay safe.

DAVID NUNO: Indoor pool.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Indoor pool. I know, but the driving.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, well, it'll be before 5:00.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You're fine. All right, see you later.