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DAVID NUNO: --you have, always smiling with me again. But we just had a preshow meeting with Michael Chandler of the UFC. I already can tell he's going to be our best friend. I already got the vibe going that he's going to jive well with the show.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I know. Absolutely, man. And what a day. It's a great day. We're going to have Michael Chandler to talk about the UFC coming to town next month. It's going to be the first full capacity event and it's going to be at Toyota Center, so we can't wait. And he's fighting for a title. OK. So that little thing as well.

You're going to talk a little bit more about what's happening with the UFC, and Michael's probably going to get annoyed with me because I have so many technical questions for him, just regarding his style, his knockouts. So I'm pumped to chat with him.

Then we're going to have Chris Pezman on to talk about the University of Houston. We got the Final Four, that little thing tomorrow. Which, by the way, they get the four o'clock game? Look, I'm not a big disrespect guy. You know, like, oh, nobody respects the city of Houston. But Baylor-Houston is going to be the best game of that night.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah. It's the best game, but I think a couple of things are at play here. By the way, can anybody tell me where Gonzaga is? I know they know it's Utah, but where? Does anybody know?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, it's in Washington.

DAVID NUNO: Washington, sorry. Washington. Does anybody know where it is?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Same thing as-- honestly, it's the same thing as Utah.

DAVID NUNO: I'm thinking of John Stockton. Does anybody know where though? Like where is is?


DAVID NUNO: It's in Spokane? OK. Yeah, Spokane's not Houston. It's not the metropolis that is Baylor, excuse me. But the fact that Houston and Baylor in Texas, Waco being a small market, I think all that plays a part into it, unfortunately. But, yeah, we're looking forward to that. And they practice tomorrow. We have Chaz Miller from ABC13 there. He's going to be our ace reporter there with the team. He's already there today, catching up with Kelvin's Sampson's daughter, believe it or not. So we'll have that.

And we got to talk Astros opening day-- Carlos Correa, Shorrea, did not get the new deal that we were hoping before the start of the season. And James Click earlier today said that my door's always open. Well, in season I don't know if Carlos is going to be negotiating. Or maybe that's a tactic.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I don't like the fact that both sides are so public about this. Like Carlos Correa is playing it out in the media and so is James Click, as you mentioned. You'll have some of that sound later on in the newscast. But I don't like that. That, to me, doesn't show a sign of goodwill from either side.

I think he's done as a Houston Astros. And it sucks to lose Carlos Correa, but I'm happy for him on a personal level. Like, he's going to get a huge deal, right. Like we saw the Lindor deal come down for the Mets yesterday, and it is wild. Like, those big deals never work out, by the way. They never work out. But we'll see. I think Carlos Correa's going to be in line to get that huge deal once the season's done, not with the Astros, I don't think, but somebody else.

DAVID NUNO: And also he's the-- we've got to talk a little bit about, just quickly, Chris Beard. It looks like he's going to be heading to your alma mater. Hopefully the University of Texas one day can live up to the standard that A&M basketball has been able to establish in their dominant run in these 20 years.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You guys missed the tournament again, by the way. I'm just hoping--

DAVID NUNO: No. We choose to miss it, because of COVID.


DAVID NUNO: Yes. Yeah.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Frankly, again, I'm saying this. We should have canceled the NCAA tournament after Texas lost to Abilene Christian. We should of just cancelled it. Like what's the point, right? I'm excited for Chris Beard, but I'm going to limit my excitement, right. Because I was so excited for Shaka Smart. He did not win a single NCAA tournament game. In the six years, he missed the tournament three times. Until they get to the Sweet 16, I'm not going all in.

There was a running joke all year long between me and one of our good friends, Juan. And I think he let you in on it, where I told him, I was like, this team is for real because they won the Maui Invitational. They had senior guards, and this and that. And I said, they're going to be in the Final Four. This is a legit Texas basketball team, and they get upset the first game of the tournament. So I'm just going to temper my expectations.

DAVID NUNO: I'm going to say this. I've known you for almost 15 years, and you've always thought that Texas was a Final Four team.


DAVID NUNO: And ever since I've met you, you've been wrong about that. But one thing that I do think you know a lot about, Raheel, I will admit-- so back when we started 1560-- what was that, 2007-- I watched the UFC, but I wasn't into it. You really got me into it. Not only were you doing some MMA on the side, but you were just a fan of the sport, and you really brought our listeners and our viewers closer to that UFC experience. You mentioned Mick Maynard earlier, whose a friend of ours that you did a radio show with. So we've gotten to see, really, the sport grow to what right now is-- like, what is Carlos Correa watching every Saturday?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: MMA. He's watching the UFC along with Lance McCullers.

DAVID NUNO: Absolutely. And we've got one of the premier athletes joining the show now, Michael Chandler, who's going to be here in Houston. I'm looking at the notes, man. I felt like it was going to be far away in the summer, but it's right around the corner, May 15th at the Toyota Center. What's going on, Michael?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Man, thank you guys for having me. Yeah, and I just-- I'm so excited that it's around the corner. I'm so excited that it's in Houston in front of a packed Toyota Center, man. We're going to sell it out. Tickets go on sale tomorrow. So it's going to be-- it's going to awesome. And I just can't wait to go out there and get UFC gold.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Man, what a cool journey for you. And we'll dig a little bit deeper, because I want to talk a bit about your fight style and some technical stuff in a little bit. But what a cool journey. You make your debut with the UFC. You get that incredible knockout against Hooker. And you were in Abu Dhabi on Fight Island. What was that experience like as your first fight in the UFC after such a decorated career with Bellator?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: It's great, man. It was really, really great. You know, being outside the UFC for a long time, I didn't quite know if the door was going to open, so to speak. But it really did. I think I took a long look at my life, my career, where I was at. And I thought about the 40-year-old Michael Chandler, the 45-year-old Michael Chandler. Will the pillow that I'm laying my head on feel like a 40-pound cinder block because I didn't test myself against the guys in the UFC?

So I made the commitment and the choice to test free agency. I got a knockout in my last Bellator fight, and UFC came with an offer. I signed on the dotted line, had a couple opportunities. But, man, things are just bigger and the UFC. And now given the opportunity to fight and headline a pay-per-view, about the capture UFC gold is nothing short of amazing. It's been a long road to get here, but all roads have led me to this, and it's just the biggest opportunity of my life. And, yeah, I think we'll have a phenomenal night in Houston, Texas on May 15.

DAVID NUNO: Michael, I've talked to Dana in person several times. And what strikes me about him, the guy you see on TV is the guy you see in person. What attracted you to his style and joining his vision?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Man, I think he's just-- he's a determined individual. You know. And the funny thing is, the sentiment that I gave Dana the first time I ever talked to him-- obviously you've got to remember too, I was a champion in Bellator. I'm the guy who's in a competing organization. So I don't know if Dana didn't necessarily not like me or like me or whatever. We hadn't really spoken. But I thanked him and said, thank you, Dana, because every single dollar that I've made, every single check that I've cashed in the bank didn't have his name on it leading up to me signing with the UFC, but indirectly his name was on every single one of those checks.

Because the UFC, what Dana White, Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta did since 1993, 25, 28 years ago, taking a chance on this crazy sport called mixed martial arts that has now become a worldwide phenomenon, touching every corner of the globe, these guys championed it and they spearheaded it and they gave an opportunity to a guy like me to make a great living outside the UFC for 10, 11, 12 years. And now, me coming over to the UFC, now I want to put my best foot forward for the UFC, for the organization. It's a well oiled machine, and I'm excited to headline a pay per view.

And, man, the sky's the limit with this organization and the fighters within the organization. The opportunities that the UFC affords us as fighters is like nothing I've ever experienced before. And unless you've been outside the UFC, you don't quite know the extent of it, and you can't really kind of-- you really can't realize how valuable it is to be on this UFC roster. And it's going to be even better when I'm the UFC champion on May 15.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Man, and it's going to be a fun match-up. This is a match-up a lot of fans are excited about, you and Charles going at it. And, you know, it's two fighters where you just know that something electric's going to happen. You obviously are masterful at the knockout. And you got Charles on the other side who is just-- he doesn't stop. It's so much fun to watch.

When you're looking at this match-up, what do you see, coming from his camp and from him as a fighter?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: You know, I think it's a scary, tall test, you know. Charles Oliveira's on a tear. I mean, one thing that you can't really coach is confidence, you know. And guys get in slumps and then guys get sky high when they're on a big, long win streak. Charles Oliveira is on a long win streak. He hasn't lost in a very long time. His last out against Tony Ferguson, he was extremely dominant.

So when you got a confident, dangerous fighter like Charles Oliveira is, you've got to be on your P's and Q's. You got to dot every I and cross every T in your preparation. And that's what I'm doing now until the fight for a total of 8, 10 weeks. And he's a salty veteran. He's got a ton of submission wins, I think 14 submission finishes. I think he's got 16 or 18 bonuses.

The guy comes to fight. He comes to compete, and he comes to finish you. So I just got a sneaking suspicion I'm going to be able to go out there and get my hand raised by any means necessary on May 15. But he is a very tough competitor and a champion in his own right, and I can't wait to go out there and compete against him.

DAVID NUNO: Like, what are you expecting? Because I'm thinking about spring break, just two weeks ago, and South Beach had to be closed down because all the crazy fans or crazy spring breakers were like, just going partying way too hard, the first time to be able to do it with corona. The UFC's coming back. What kind of environment you expect there at the Toyota Center?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: I expect 20,000 fans who have been starved of live action competition to come out in full force. You know. I think the UFC, as they have done since they put on the very first fight, I think back in May after the pandemic hit, and they continued operations and brought back live competition in a very safe manner.

I think you're going to see the UFC doing the exact same thing, working hand in hand with the people of Houston, the Houston commission, the Texas Athletic Commission, and the people and the staff at the Toyota Center to make sure protocols are put in place that we can put on a phenomenal show, have an entertaining night at the Toyota Center, but also keep people safe. I think you're going to see people come out in full force, people who haven't been able to cheer in a large, electric environment, let alone a huge UFC pay per view like it's coming to Houston on May 15.

And I'm going to follow the protocols, as I have since day one. I'm sure, just like every flight that happens every single week-- and we do a coronavirus test before we get on the flight, then another one after the flight, then we do a quarantine, then two, three, four, five, six more tests. It's like nine tests in an 11-day period, just to make sure everybody is showing up with negative tests, no positive tests, and go out there as athletes who are non-contagious, and everyone there in the arena is non-contagious. We go out there and have a blast.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: By the way, tickets go on sale, as you've mentioned, for 262, UFC 262 tomorrow. So for those of you that are watching, you can get your tickets. It's going to be a blast. We're going to have a great night of fights, hopefully. So those tickets do go on sale tomorrow.

I want to talk about your career real quickly and your technical abilities. It's one of the wild things, because at your size, we always hear, when you're looking at a fight and you're previewing it, you go, man, you know, he has a lot of power, but when he faces taller guys, like, how's he going to get inside? How's he going to be able to hit that knockout punch? And you always do like. Like Bellator 97, right, Rickels, you just-- it was one of the best knockouts I've seen. Is that something you work on? Is that just an ability that you have, to be able to at your size, still get inside and deliver that punch?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Yeah, I think, you know, you just kind of get used to it. You know, I'm by no means a very short guy. I'm average height, 5'8", I'm almost 5'9". But a lot of guys are closer to that six-foot tall. And it's all about distance management, closing the gap, closing the distance, being able to punch fast and hard and set traps with smoke and mirrors and just study guy's idiosyncrasies and their small habits that you see that you can pull out in the tape that you watch, and then also as the fight progresses.

But as you alluded to, the Dave Rickels fight was very similar. My last fight against Dan Hooker, I knew I had to throw that straight right to the body, switch stance, follow up with the long left hook, which is really an overhand left from a southpaw position. And just-- it's a game of inches, you know. You zig when you should have zagged, and it's just such a crazy sport. But every little quarter of an inch that you can get closer to your opponent, that's what I kind of do. I systematically, methodically, slowly get closer to you.

And as soon as I get in range, you just got to throw that heat seeking missile and hopefully it lands right on the button. But it's kind of the Mike Tyson effect, right? Mike Tyson was a short heavyweight. He had to get inside. He had to throw punches a bunch. He had to be devastatingly powerful, and he had to close that distance. And once I get on somebody and I smell blood in the water, I'm going out there to finish it.

DAVID NUNO: Michael, excuse the meathead question, but I always love asking UFC fighters something along the lines, how often do people try you? You know at a movie, in line for a movie. Like, how often do people look at you like, yeah, he thinks he's a UFC fighter. How often does that happen?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Not often. You know, if it ever does happen, I would imagine they don't think I'm a UFC fighter. I think in this day and age, you got to be pretty silly to-- if you've got ears like me, you know, if you have any inclination that this guy might even train mixed martial arts. I mean, there's videos all over the internet of people messing with people who don't realize that these people have mixed martial arts backgrounds.

Even if they're not pro fighters, they still have some training. And all of a sudden they get twisted up like a pretzel or knocked out. So, you know, I don't really get messed with. I try not to mess with people. I have a career that I want to protect with my life, because it's how I provide for my family.

So I want to try to stay away from that and that stuff as much as possible, and be a great ambassador for the sport. I'm not trying to have, "Michael Chandler beats up guy in a bar," hitting the headlines any time soon. But I do want it to hit the headlines that Michael Chandler becomes UFC champion on May 15. So in order to do that, I got to stay away from confrontations outside the Octagon.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Absolutely. That's the one thing-- when I first started training, I was like, I quickly realized, I go, oh, man. You know, I feel pretty good. I'm a good athlete. I can hold my own in other sports. And then when I'm getting, just mopped up by a 135-pound dude, I was like, OK, you need to reevaluate everything about your life. And you just have this new perspective on life about, yeah, I don't want to mess with anybody. Because you just don't know. Now I feel confident that if somebody messes with me, I'm OK. But I don't want to find out that that 140-pound guy is actually a black belt, and he's just going to pretzel me up like you said.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Trust me, man. When I first started fighting, I started out in Vegas. I was at Xtreme Couture. And my boxing coach's name was Gil Martinez. Phenomenal man because his main focus, he trained a couple high level pro fighters, but he also had this team of young kids. And when I say young, I mean like 11-year-old. And I'm sparring with an 11-year-old, getting pieced up by this 11-year-old in boxing. And I'm just like, all right, I got a lot of work to do.

So you never know, like you said, who's got martial arts training and who doesn't, who's got boxing training, who doesn't. So these days it's just safe to just, let's not get into confrontations.


DAVID NUNO: And Michael, we do this thing at the end of big interviews where Raheel will ask five very difficult questions about you. So we're going to do our five questions with Raheel now.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right, Michael, it's the same five questions. Here we go, number one, what is one song you wish everybody would listen to at least once in their life?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: "Purple Rain," by Prince.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No way. Get out of here. I love it. No, I'm like, that came out of nowhere. I just bought Prince's live in Tokyo vinyl last week. So like, I literally just got it. So, like, I think you and I just became best friends.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: And I was actually listening to Prince right before this. So--


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Nuno, I think you just got replaced in the best friend category.


Love it.

DAVID NUNO: I think of [INAUDIBLE] every time I hear Prince now. So that's now my fault.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What's one thing you always have to have in your fridge?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Some kind of bubbly seltzer type of thing. I try to keep it as clean as possible. Obviously right now in training camp, I want zero sugars, of course. But even outside of training camp, something with a tiny bit of flavor that's not quite water, because I'm just drinking gallons of water every day. So some kind of bubbly seltzer with just a hint of flavor.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: What's your walk-around weight?

DAVID NUNO: Let me ask you real quick.


DAVID NUNO: How often do you have to wake up in the middle of the night to go to the restroom with all that water you're drinking? Because I've been doing the gallon thing, and it's like a disaster to my sleep.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Not often. I think it really is a tolerance thing, where your body just soaks it up. You know, I mean, unless I just go way overboard. But for the most part I can drink two gallons in a day and sleep throughout the night. I think your body just gets-- your bladder just gets trained.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You're getting old, Nuno.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: My brain is telling my bladder, yo, dude, I need sleep. Don't wake me up.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You got bladder issues, man.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Michael, what do you walk around at, by the way?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: I used to say 185. Between this training camps, between these two training camps, I was 188 to 191, which is very heavy for me. And I didn't pack on any extra body fat. I think I just-- you know, since I signed with the UFC, I fought in August, then I made weight in October, then I fought in January. So I made weight three times in like a five month period. So I think my body just soaked everything up, and I was like-- I was not happy when I saw 1-9-0 on the scale. And It's like, [INAUDIBLE] 155. Let's go.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. Number three, what's one place you want to visit that you haven't yet?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: I think it's a two-way tie between Australia and New Zealand. My wife and I have always talked about going to Australia or New Zealand. So that's where I'd like to go.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's very cool. That's a good choice. Number four, who's one person alive you want to meet and have coffee with?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Oh, man. Man, there's so many. Off the top of my head, I would say Grant Cardone. I just think he's a phenomenal businessman, a phenomenal real estate investor. I think one coffee meeting with him could probably change my life.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Nice. Have you met Mike Tyson, by the way? The other Iron Mike.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: I met him years ago at an autograph signing. My best friend and mentor, Chris Patterson, we were walking through a mall in Vegas and we saw a sign that said, Mike Tyson signing autographs. And he made me just wait in line for like 45 minutes. I just won the Bellator title. And he was-- it was a really cool advice. He's like, hey, man, now that you're the champion, everybody's going to be gunning for you. You know. So, I mean, it's something I had heard before, but to have Mike Tyson tell you is pretty cool.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. Last one. What's one app on your phone that you want to delete but you just can't do it?

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Oh, man. That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I'm really only on Instagram and Google Maps and Twitter. But probably Twitter. You know, I will say, one beautiful thing about signing with UFC is you are opened up to a brand new, huge audience.

But the negative of the UFC is, you're opened up to a brand new huge audience of trolls and just people who love to say negative things. That's why I like to keep my social media more to Instagram, because it's just inherently a little bit more uplifting, optimistic kind of environment than Twitter. Twitter just seems like a great place to just throw and hurl insults at people. And I try to stay away from that. So probably Twitter.

DAVID NUNO: Very good advice there. UFC 262, May 15th at the Toyota Center. Tomorrow tickets do go on sale. Michael, man, we appreciate your time. We look forward to seeing you there, here in Houston I should say. And thanks so much for joining us.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: Yeah, sure, man. Thank you guys so much for having me. I'll you guys in Houston.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. Thanks, Michael.

DAVID NUNO: Take care.

MICHAEL CHANDLER: You got it. See ya.

DAVID NUNO: And looking forward to-- look, man, I love when the UFC comes to town, man. And he was exactly what we expected. Michael is exactly the kind of the guest expected. Hunter gave some us some insight to him being a cool dude, and he was every bit of that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, he really is. He's a guy-- again, he fought at Bellator. So that's the other fighting organization that's out there. And he's been there for a while. Like, he's been fighting since 2009. And he's been a champion. He's done it all over there. And to make a move that much later in your career-- and he's not old by any means, but it's later in his career. You got to be a special type of guy. Like, you got to drop your ego, right.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You got to say, everything I've accomplished now doesn't matter because you have to start fresh. Like, even when he first got to the UFC, some of the guys were like, I'm not giving him a title fight after one fight. Like, no, I'm not doing that. But here we are and he's fighting for the title. And I can't wait, man. I'm so happy the UFC's coming back here and we have a title fight to watch.

DAVID NUNO: When he mentioned Grant Cardone being the guy that he wanted to have coffee with, did you know who that was?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No. I just know-- I know the name. I have no idea other than the name.

DAVID NUNO: I saw your eyes thinking about it. He's an author. Of course I googled him, immediately during the interview. Grant Cardone, just in case. No clue who he was.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You can usually tell when I don't have something to follow up, because I'll just go right to the next question.

DAVID NUNO: OK. But then I look. Oh, and if he's got a Wikipedia page, he's got to be legit, Raheel. He's got to be.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. We don't have Wikipedia pages. And somebody needs to create a Wikipedia page for us.

DAVID NUNO: No, don't. See now--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I don't know how to. I would create my own. I am not beyond creating my own Wikipedia page. I tried one time, but it is impossible. Like, I don't know how to do it.

DAVID NUNO: Can I just tell you, you did something to me that bugged me the other day. you posted something to the effect of, the nurse gave you a shot, and oh, look at those muscles.



DAVID NUNO: Come on man. Like, you know?


Like, you don't need to do that.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yes I do need to do that, because it was--

DAVID NUNO: Chauncey and Erik Barajas are going to do like a calendar without your shirts. Like, come on, guys. Like, you don't have to let the world know. This is coming from a guy who does this. Uh, yeah, so.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Who never wears long sleeved shirts on this show.


So for those who don't know, I tweeted-- I got my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine, Pfizer gang. And I was at the Fort Bend County Fairgrounds, awesome. Process is super smooth, easy, really nice people are volunteering there. And the first time I went, I was like, I was kind of offended, OK, because, you know, I've been putting in some work. I'm in shape, right? Like, I was wearing a nice, tight shirt.

I was kind of offended the vaccine administrator didn't give me a compliment for the first dose. The second dose, the lady was really nice. She's like, oh, look at these muscles. And my wife was with me, and she said it three times, by the way. And it got really uncomfortable. Like, it was-- the third time was a little too much.


DAVID NUNO: So let me ask you this. Why did you think that that was worthy of social media? Why wasn't that one of those where you're like, thank you very much and you walk off?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It was just, that's what I put.

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE] the compliment.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I tweeted it because it really was a confidence boost. So, remember, your words have a positive impact on people. That was the lesson I was hoping people would get out of that tweet, and the fact that, like, your boy's been putting in some work. That's it.

DAVID NUNO: You wanted everyone on social media to be like, god, Raheel is getting strong.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Raheel's getting real strong.

DAVID NUNO: I've never seen a person post more fitness pictures and videos than you, unless they work in the fitness industry. You lift up tires. You're hanging out with rugby players. Like, I have a-- I think I do as much fitness as you.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh, you do more, I think. I would say you do more.

DAVID NUNO: But I have a philosophy. I don't post pictures at the gym. Because I feel dumb. But come Ironman day, Juan and I, we'll be doing this picture, you know. And there will be a flex. There's no doubt. Every Iron Man year I do. But, like, you'll do it on a Tuesday at 4:00 PM.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I don't post that much fitness stuff. I also have to because-- here. Do you want me to pull my-- I can pull my Instagram up. That's easy. Let me see.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. Hold on. Let me put it up.

DAVID NUNO: Every day. And by the way, we're going to be joined by Chris Prezman to get into some real topics. But I was like, with anybody but Raheel, I would be saying something about them on the air. And I was like, you know, I got to give Raheel--

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You have to say it. I would hope you would say it. Like, I would be offended if you didn't say something to me.

DAVID NUNO: Maybe Juan, [INAUDIBLE] a picture, because Juan's got some gains. I'm like, bro, no. Like, wait till you get-- like I'm a believer, you don't have dessert until you win the competition. You can't have-- there are some people who believe you can gorge just because you worked out hard. I don't believe in that. And I feel the same way when it comes to pictures.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK, here. I'm sharing it. I hope this works, because I don't know if I'm logged in. So let me just try this real quickly. Let me see if this works. Boom. Can you see it?

DAVID NUNO: There you are. I see it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. Let me close this.

DAVID NUNO: I don't see video. It's not going to work. Oh it is. OK.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. No fitness, no fitness.

DAVID NUNO: Tight shirt.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: A very tight shirt, absolutely.

DAVID NUNO: [INAUDIBLE] that shirt. OK. [INAUDIBLE] fitness, no shirt. OK. That's two.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's not fitness. That's skin-boarding. That's not fitness. That's beach fun.

DAVID NUNO: That's without a shirt.


DAVID NUNO: Who's this? You've set another person without a shirt. That's weird.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's Damian Priest. That's our guy, Damian Priest.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah, at WWE. OK, maybe not as much as I thought. Just scroll down though.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: OK. There's a basketball one.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. Which one was fitness? What's fitness on this row right here?

DAVID NUNO: There's a basketball court on the top one.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, yeah. That one I gave you. Absolutely, that's one.

DAVID NUNO: We got three.


DAVID NUNO: But there's not as much as I thought. It looks like you're wearing some kind of apparatus behind your shirt on that one. OK.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: This one right here, the one where I'm looking out pensively.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah. Like, how does that work? Do you actually tell your wife, hey, take this picture?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yes, absolutely. It's so weird. I have to. I was like, hey, I need this for Instagram. And she knows now. She used to make fun of me but now she's cool about it.

DAVID NUNO: So maybe not as many fitness as I thought, but I feel like you-- maybe combined with Twitter. Another basketball.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Another basketball.

DAVID NUNO: OK. So maybe not-- OK.


DAVID NUNO: Let's get out of there.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. There you go.

DAVID NUNO: So not as much as I thought. How about that?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: See? Apology accepted. Thank you.

DAVID NUNO: But I go to your Twitter and everything is like, oh, the nurse thought I had these great biceps. So, she talked about my abs. Come on, man.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: She literally-- the first time, and my wife was with me. Because we just got in that same pod. So she gives me the shot and she goes, "Ooh, muscles," you know. And I was like, ah, thank you. That's, you know, cool, yeah, that's nice. Confidence boost.

Then afterwards, I'm done. Then my wife sits down. And then, you know, she's about to give my wife the shot and she goes, were you sore after your first one? And my wife was like, no, it wasn't that bad. And then she goes, your husband was. That's because he has the muscles.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I was like, OK, now it's getting-- like, there's no reason to bring it up while my wife is getting the shot.

DAVID NUNO: OK. I'm going to share this information with you. We're really not that [INAUDIBLE]. We're strong in AM radio world.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

DAVID NUNO: Compared to like, you know, I'm not going to say who. But compared to everybody else in AM radio, we're strong. But in the real world, we're not that strong.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, no. But, uh, look. On a Tuesday at 4:00 PM at the Fort Bend County Fairgrounds, I'm pretty strong.

DAVID NUNO: Pretty, pretty strong.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: On a Friday at the Fort Bend County Fairgrounds, probably not. But at Tuesday at 4:00 PM, I'm pretty strong.

DAVID NUNO: There's going to be a calendar, the men of fitness. Right? And it's going to be you, Chauncey, Barajas, who else? All shirtless, you know, posing. That's coming.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Steven Romo? Did you mentioned Romo?

DAVID NUNO: Oh, Romo. That guy will post a picture with a tight t-shirt like daily. He'll get thousands of retweets, thousands. I'm like, I got 22 retweets once on a muscle picture and I was like, I was proud of that. He gets thousands.


RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Man, so, yeah. That was the tweet. OK. Real quickly, April Fool's Day, did you fall for any jokes? It's always fun to bring this up. A lot of brands try different things. Have you fallen for one?

DAVID NUNO: I forgot it was April 1st, like, April Fool's Day until you brought this up. So no, I have not. Has there been any good ones on Twitter? Like, hey, James Harden traded back to the Rockets. Anything dumb like that?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, no trade ones. So Chris Beard, we talked about that at the beginning of the show. Chris Beard from Texas Tech is now going to Texas, where he was an assistant coach, a manager I believe as well under Tom Penders. Oh no, he was an assistant coach. And then he also went to Texas. So he's returning home, as they like to say in college sports.

But when that-- because, like, the story was out there last week from another source. And when it officially came out today that, hey, more than likely this is done, I thought it was an April Fool's joke. Because you just don't know. Right. I don't know people on a personal level. So that's why I was like, ooh, this is kind of weird coming out on April 1st. So it's by far the worst day to announce anything.

DAVID NUNO: You know what's an April Fool's joke? What a terrible segue.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Terrible segue.

DAVID NUNO: Yeah. Let's come up with a new one. Because our next guest, I mean, there's no joking around with our next guest, Chris Pezman, Athletic Director, University of Houston. What's up, Pez?

CHRIS PEZMAN: What do you say, David how you guys doing? Raheel.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Hey, what's up, man?

CHRIS PEZMAN: Thanks for having me on.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, man, what an amazing time for this university. As we're getting ready for the game Saturday, all the stuff I think everybody close to the program knew was coming. Just some thoughts on, as we're getting closer to it, the reality that you saw when you first took over this job.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Well, you know, I got here when we were still playing over at TSU. And we went on an incredible run over there, undefeated, playing off-campus, across the street. And had a chance to come here, and we were opening the Fertitta Center. It was under construction. And, you know, you knew it was going to be a special time, because just the team, the way you could see the chemistry forming with coach and the type of players and the buy-in that he was getting from the program.

But also, you know, I was here when it was a lot leaner. And to see the excitement over in the arena, over at TSU and sold out games, which we were getting over there. And then able to transfer that and open up our own building and have a team that was highly competitive, consistently, and see it kind of continue to grow.

You always hope and you wish, you want to be in a position like this to make it to the last weekend of the year and have a chance to play in the Final Four. But for it to kind of break and go our way at this time, it's just-- it's hard to express. You know. There's so many different emotions that go into it, that it's humbling, it's exciting. You know, you're excited for the kids, for the program, for coach, for his family, staff. I don't even know where to start.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's so cool like on both fronts, right. From the university's perspective, from Coach Sampson's perspective, the timeline has been nothing short of magical, right. As you mentioned, right, playing off-campus and the Fertitta Center opens up. You've got that momentum. The Jordan partnership, which was huge, one of the few programs in basketball that has that.

And now finally culminating to the Final Four, where anything could happen in March Madness. Right. Like, we've seen it happen with good teams, number one teams get knocked out, number two teams get knocked out. So it's not a guarantee, even though this is one of the best teams and we all anticipated that you guys would make the run, it's still hard. It's just magical. And you just go, man, everything has broken almost perfectly.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Yeah. Well they call it March Madness for a reason, right. I mean, you kind of clean up the seeding through the first two games. And then you make it to the next weekend and it gets to be a little bit more, I don't want to say consistent with what expectations are. But, you know, you hope to get to this point, and really you get to the Sweet 16 and Elite Eight and everybody's good. There's no gimmes in there.

And what I like is the way we play. You know, we're going to grind it out and always play defense. And anybody that's a basketball person tells you, defense travels. And so it gives you a chance if you're not hitting shots, that it keeps you close in the game, so you're only a couple of possessions away if you're not clicking offensively.

And that's what really gets me excited for this weekend in a match-up with Baylor. You know, that's a great program, what Coach Drew has done up in Waco. But I like us. I like us a lot.

DAVID NUNO: One of the side stories that a lot of people are talking about is Alvin Brooks taking on his son there with Baylor. And then we saw the note that Lamar is hiring coach? Brooks. Just some thoughts on what he has meant to this university.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Well, so, I've got a longer history with Alvin. I was here as a GA and then an Ops person. And Coach Brooks was the coach. And I remember his old office used to be over and Hofheinz Pavilion back then. You know, Alvin has been there and done that. He's paid his dues. He's been a head coach. He's been an assistant at a really high level. He's been here through the transition, and helping getting our program where we want it to be. There's not a more deserving person out there that's more prepared.

And I can attest, as being an alum and coming back to your school, it's really humbling. And I know I use that word a lot, but it's special. And I will also say this, and I haven't had a chance to talk to Alvin yet today, but there's an extra pressure that comes with it. Because it's your alma mater.

And everybody that you remember growing up with or playing with reaches out and, you know, what's interesting is the filter goes away when it's friends, and they forget that you're the head coach or the athletic director, and they're quick to express their unfiltered opinion. So Alvin's a pretty easygoing, mature guy. So he'll be ready for it. But from a quality of person, from his family, there's not a more deserving person out there.

And then matching up with the son this weekend, how cool is that? You know, I mean. That's what stories are-- you hope that happens in life, and for to actually play out, it's really cool. And unfortunately somebody's got to go home after that first game, but both teams and both people, between Alvin and his son are incredibly deserving.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Speaking of family, that great picture that we saw of the Sampson family afterwards when they finally get to the Final Four, you know, for outsiders looking in, they're just like, oh, that's a cool moment. But for you being around that family, for you knowing the story about that family, what did that one picture mean?

CHRIS PEZMAN: You know, it gives me goose bumps when I think about it. When I got here, you know, coach has been doing this a long time. And when you go to practice and you watch him work, and then you see his interaction with our student athletes, but also the way Kellen, and Lorne, and the other assistants.

But that relationship of being around each other, having been a big time programs, but also the way they carry the program and the expectations and how unified they are. But, you know, being able to share that moment with family members-- there's so much work and there's so much time and there's so much energy and there's so much angst that goes into it.

And when you break through and you have that special moment, being able to wrap your arms around your children, in the middle of a pandemic, and you can't have your spouse down there with you, but, you know, Kellen and Lorne being down there with them. It's just-- it's priceless. There's no words for it.

DAVID NUNO: Chris, every city is like this, but legends are made in the postseason. Right. We've seen it with Dream, when he was able to do, not only at the University of Houston, obviously what he did with the Rockets, Carlos Correa this past offseason, George Springer. I feel like we're seeing a different kind of legend, but a legend in the way Dejon Jarreau has really toughened up and just been the face and the grit that this program's all about.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Yeah, Dejon's a stud. You know, he took an unusual path coming here, coming from UMass, then going to a JC, and then they're coming here. And, you know, he's always had it in him. And the relationship that he and coach and the staff have built, [INAUDIBLE] and Hollis and Kellen, particularly the last two months. And, I mean, he's always been good, but the consistency of play that he's really showing. I mean, the way he shut down guys the last month of the season, his length.

And then, you know, I don't know if you guys have heard this story. So he gets hurt in the first minute of the game against Cleveland State. And, you know, he's over on-- and I've had hip pointer. Those are-- it hurts. I mean, and as a football player it's a little bit easier because you kind of-- you sprint and you get 30 seconds and then you sprint again. But basketball you're moving lateral the whole time. And that kid maybe weighs, you know, a buck 70 soaking wet.

So John Houston calls me at halftime. He's like, hey, we need to get his anti-inflammatories and some other medicine to him. It's 8:30. The CVS that's in Bloomington, Indiana closes at 9:00 and we need it as soon as possible. Can you go? I'm like, yeah. I don't have a-- I mean, whatever it takes.

Fortunately I was outside the bubble, so I could run to the car. And there may or may not be a few red light cameras with me going about 100 down Bloomington to get to the CVS. So I get to the CVS and they're like, yeah, he's not in the system. I'm like, wait a minute. Hang on. I know the doctors called. I know it's in there.

So we get it. We find it. I'm running back and the game started. And when I left we were up by like eight at halftime. And I come back and I don't see the score. And I'm, you know, I'm thinking, we got to get him back in the game. It's a tight game. I'm stressed out. And then they stop me. They won't let me in because they didn't credential athletic directors. So I'm having to talk my way through security. And I'm like, you know, forget it. Send a cop after me. I'm running in the arena.

So I get in the arena. And then there's the bubble between us and the team. So I'm standing there like, you know, outside the bubble at like midcourt, throwing prescriptions all the way down to the bench to try and get him his antibiotics, or his anti-inflammatories. But, you know, it's one of those things that you kind of look back and laugh.

But, man, that kid gritting through that and then turning around two days later and playing the way he played. People want to put up statues. We've got to slow that roll, because we've got to finish the season. But he's deserving of all the accolades and attention. He's played unbelievable.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Absolutely, man. We speak so highly of him, and he's the reason. I told Nuno, I was like, man, look, you guys could probably win without him, but you're probably not getting to the Final Four without him and his defense. And he has just been outstanding. And so happy for him as well, because of the journey, as you mentioned.

For the rest of the team and for the alumni, right-- we had Galen Robinson on last week to talk about this. What does it mean for the alumni?

CHRIS PEZMAN: You know. It's been so unusual the last year because of the pandemic. And, you know, we had a good run two years ago and made to the Sweet 16. And then we're going to the conference tournament last year. And, you know, we're thinking we're going to be on a pretty good run, excited for the conference tournament, excited for postseason. And then that gets shut down.

And then, you know, we're at 25% capacity this last basketball season. And we're sold out the whole year. But because of the pandemic-- our supporters have been great. They've bought their season tickets. They made their donations. But still people showing up has been kind of touch or go. All understood.

But as you got to the conference tournament and got to each layer the NCAA tournament, more and more people are showing up that normally show up. And this last weekend and then this coming weekend, with the vaccines rolling out, people are more comfortable being in public. And to see the turnout of people we haven't seen in a while has been remarkable. It's exciting.

It's really-- you know, Jim Nantz came up to us when we played the first game of the-- the Sweet 16 game. And he was probably violating some of CBS protocol, but, I mean, to see the grin on his face. That's it I mean, it's the wide ranging effect of connection and the people that are buying in and are excited.

I had to run over to the bookstore this morning to check on something. But there was-- there were 100 people in there during a slow period, buying Final Four gear. It just galvanizes everybody and gets everybody excited and proud to wear the red.

DAVID NUNO: Chris, last thing for you. I'm thinking to myself, look at the coaches you have, man. I mean, from Dana, Kelvin, Todd. I mean, just-- I mean, U of H, when you think about, man, you guys have got an all-star cast out there.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Yeah. I tell everybody, y job is, don't screw it up. We got great coaches. I mean, you walk down the hall and you got Leroy Burrell and Carl Lewis. I mean, like, come on. I mean, where else in the world do you have that? But with Dana and Kelvin and Todd and Kristin Vesely and Ron Huey, this is a very special time here. It's not lost on me or the administration and our alums.

You know, getting coach locked up for resetting his contract term back to six years certainly was-- we're very happy to have that done with a lot of the movement that's happening right now. But we've got a great stable of coaches. My job is to continue to give them the resources to have success like we're having right now in basketball, and we're expecting in the rest of our sports. It's a great time to be here and I couldn't be more blessed and more excited with the people we get to work with.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: That's awesome, man.

DAVID NUNO: He's a Longhorn and I'm an Aggie, and we're both rooting hard for you, man. It's been fun to watch.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Well, brother, I appreciate you guys and I appreciate you having me on. This is what it's all about, man. This is it.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: You better. You better pull this off. Because my wife is the Baylor Bear, so I want to talk a little trash to her, just via you guys.

CHRIS PEZMAN: That'll be awesome. We'll get you some red to wear on Saturday. You know, and flash that in the house.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Chris, when you see a Dana tweet, by the way, do you read all his tweets in his voice? Because when I saw that Baylor tweet, I was like, hey, six months later, we're still waiting, like, everything.

CHRIS PEZMAN: So quick story on that. Yeah. And I'll say this now. I don't care. So Mack calls me after the game got postponed. And he's like, hey, your coach is chirping. I'm like, yeah, so? What do you want? He goes, you need to get him to settle down. I'm like, really? You're calling me about that?

And I got home. It was like 2:00 in the morning Monday night. And I saw that Dana tweet. And I was like, I just texted him, well played. That was awesome. I was so excited. But that's college sports. That's what it's all about. Have some fun. Nobody's trying to embarrass anybody. Just have some fun with it. That's the collegiality. That's what's great about being in the state of Texas. There's so many great teams. And we need more of it.


DAVID NUNO: Chris, man, you're great. Thank you so much for being so gracious and good luck to you this weekend. We're rooting for ya.

CHRIS PEZMAN: Thanks, guys. I really appreciate you having me on and looking forward to bringing the city some more excitement and some good news. Go Cougs.

DAVID NUNO: Go Cougs. There you go.


CHRIS PEZMAN: Thanks so much, guys.

DAVID NUNO: Take care. He's great. I'll always love chatting with him, and so accommodating. And that program, man, like, they've done it, man. They've done it the right way. They have. They absolutely have. And just beyond basketball.

I just remember the state of the University of Houston athletically, back when we were doing the Southwest Conference show with [INAUDIBLE], we were doing Cougars tonight. He saw the potential in it, but they're there. They're all over the place, man.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Like, for the basketball program, I still, like, I don't know even think Chris, like, got the weight of my question, right. Where you hire Coach Samson from the Rockets. And it's not a guarantee that it's going to work out, right. And it was kind of rough for the first few years there. You put all that money into the program with the Fertitta Center, the new practice facility, all that stuff, right.

You go, OK, we're putting all this money in, and it's still not guaranteed it's going to work out. And by workout I mean Final Four run. Because that is the-- you want to win a title, absolutely. But in college basketball it's different. Like a Final Four appearance changes a lot for a program. Then you open up the Fertitta Center. You get some good momentum. The Michigan shot happens. Right. And that's where sometimes it doesn't work out. And things could go south after moments like that. They never wavered, man. It all worked out.

And now they're set up for long-term success. It's not just this year, by the way. Because recruits notice. You've got a great coaching staff. You've got-- I don't know, like, in my opinion, I guess Kellen is next in line, right. Like we always hear that term. But it just worked out perfectly for them.

DAVID NUNO: Well, and I'll say this too. This is not an overnight success story. This team has-- the way Kelvin chooses his players, I think speaks a lot to why they're so good. Because he's going to be able to get more of the blue chippers if he wants 'em, right. But he gets a certain type of player who fits his DNA, fits the program's DNA. Right.

And that's why you could have a Rob Gray and Galen Robinson, or Armoni Brooks all move on, and still bring in new talent, and some talent you may have never heard of. I mean, there's all these stories, from Gorham. They all have different backgrounds. He touched on the DeJon Jarreau journey here from UMass and whatnot to get here. It was a different journey, but they play it a certain way. And it's just exciting to cover. And I think Kelvin is a class to deal with. Because he doesn't give you coach speak. He's passionate. He'll bark at you if he needs to.


DAVID NUNO: But he's also very respectful. Like, he's just-- he's got it all. You know. And I think the University of Houston-- look, I was listening to some friends in College Station this week talking about how A&M tried to get Kelvin. Like, Kelvin is that kind of coach that all the schools wanted him. And U of H has got a great one there.

So [INAUDIBLE], our Chaz Miller, we should probably have invited him on the show. Maybe we'll do it Sunday.


DAVID NUNO: Hopefully the Cougs are playing in the championship game. But we'll check in with Chaz about that. And he's super overwhelmed. He's been in like in every show. Poor guy.


DAVID NUNO: But good for him.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I mean, like, good for him. Hey, it's good exposure.

DAVID NUNO: It's just a lot of work.


DAVID NUNO: Hello? Hi.


DAVID NUNO: You get off the plane and you're immediately reporting. But he'll do a great job with that. And I really loved our interview with Michael Chandler. I thought he was fantastic.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Same. I enjoyed it. And we have some good stuff for Sunday as well. So make sure you watch. And yeah we do. We're doing the interview tomorrow, remember?

DAVID NUNO: Oh, yes! Yes.


DAVID NUNO: I almost feel like-- I don't want to say what it is, even though it's a great interview, because it's been shuffled several times.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah, exactly. That's why I don't want to say the name. But we have a good interview scheduled for Friday morning that we will air Sunday.

DAVID NUNO: Hey, that other interview that keeps rescheduling because of electricity, any issues with that? Are they mad at us?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: I didn't even text this time. I was just like, whatever. We have a stacked show today. We don't need another excuse. We're good.

DAVID NUNO: It was an earthquake.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: She does live in LA.

DAVID NUNO: All are legit reasons, right? It's kind of like when my kids whine, right. Like me kids whine a lot. Some of the younger ones do. I have like 100 kids. And sometimes they're legitimate whines. But after, like, the whines that aren't legitimate, it makes me not listen to the legitimate ones. Like, I know you're crying because, you know, accidentally put a pencil through your finger, but earlier you cried because your hair hurt. So, no, we're not going to cry about it. Sorry.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: It's the boy that cried wolf. Right? At some point you're just like, OK, I can't listen to you any more.

DAVID NUNO: All right. Last question before we go.


DAVID NUNO: Can you, without Googling, remember the name of Michael Chandler's, who he wants to have coffee with?

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yeah. Going Anderson.

DAVID NUNO: You have no idea.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Man, what's his name? I don't know. Chandler Goran? I don't know. It's something Goran.

DAVID NUNO: I'm going to-- no. I'm going to give you two letters, GC.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Greg-- Greg Coman.

DAVID NUNO: No. Grant. And the only reason I know is because I would have forgotten, too. [INAUDIBLE] Grant Cardon.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Yes. I was going to say Gina Carano. I don't know who else is a G and C.

DAVID NUNO: She was cancelled though, right? She was done for.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: Oh, yeah. She was canceled big time.

DAVID NUNO: I forgot what she did. I will say this-- maybe I shouldn't.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, you shouldn't. You shouldn't say it.

DAVID NUNO: Do you know what I'm going to say? No, you don't know.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: No, but anytime you say, I shouldn't say it, I'm going to step in and say you shouldn't.

DAVID NUNO: I was just surprised Louis CK is doing stuff again. I saw him on YouTube today. I was like, oh, I didn't know he was like, you know, he was out there. So I was like, oh, Louis CK's-- I watch, as you know, a lot of Joe Rogan. And I think, because of the algorithm, certain comedians pop up and he had a special on YouTube that I saw. So I was like, wow. I didn't know he was back on.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: A new-- I didn't see that. I got to watch that.

DAVID NUNO: I don't know if it's a special like you could watch like on-- it was on YouTube. So.


DAVID NUNO: Well, all right. That's an awkward ending to the show.

RAHEEL RAMZANALI: All right. I will see you on Sunday.