Coincidentally, the man leading Houston once envisioned himself doing the same thing on the North Side of Chicago. It's strange how baseball works sometimes.
A.J. Hinch - who interviewed for the Cubs managerial job in 2013 - was disappointed when Theo Epstein and Co. chose Rick Renteria to take the reins of the club instead, especially given his managerial experience. But then again, Hinch recognizes he still could have been pushed out a year later for Joe Maddon the same way Renteria was. So, maybe things did work out best for everyone.
Between that history and Hinch's time with Jed Hoyer in San Diego, it explains why Hinch knows a thing or two about what the Cubs brass is looking for in their next manager and the process they are taking to find the right guy to steer the ship.
That guy might end up being Hinch's current bench coach Joe Espada, who had a second interview with Epstein's front office this week.
"Joe and I were Triple-A roommates back in Oakland," Hinch said. "I tried to hire him in Arizona as a first- or third-base coach when I became manager in Arizona and he immediately got promoted to the Marlins coaching staff. So when he was with the Yankees and we eliminated them in the ALCS in 2017, Cora was just about to be named the manager of Red Sox. I immediately asked for permission to speak to Joe and he was my choice; he was my hand-picked guy [to take over as Astros bench coach] immediately."
And it appears, Espada will soon become someone else's "hand-picked guy" to manage.
Will that be with the Cubs?
"He's a well-rounded baseball man," Hinch said. "He's been in a few places and so he's seen and done virtually everything to prepare himself to manage. From coaching in Miami to being with the Yankees on successful teams, to being a bench coach here. He's been around decision-making, he's been around high end winning and he's intellectually curious."
Besides his coaching resume, Espada is thought to bring other innate characteristics to the table that would appeal to any organization. The Cubs liked what they saw and heard enough to bring him in for a second interview, which was no surprise to Hinch.
"He's organized, diligent, he's very fair to people, he's a good family man." Hinch said. "All attributes that help you build something in the clubhouse that ultimately leads to winning. The only thing untested in him is managing. And any time you talk about someone without managerial experience, I think you're just going to have to learn on the job, period. There's been plenty of examples of guys that have done it and Joe is really good. The potential could be very quick for him. A lot of teams have asked about him."
Naturally, the same could be said for David Ross, a candidate Hinch also spoke highly about.
"I think he'd be really good," the Astros manager said of Ross. "If he's all in, I'll love it because I think he could learn quickly. He's got immediate credibility. I think the player buy-in is there and it would be interesting to build a staff around him."
The intrigue will continue to grow in what now seems to be a two-horse race, but with the World Series getting underway the Cubs will likely wait for an off day or the conclusion of the Fall Classic to make an announcement. And even though their team isn't playing, Cubs fans can still keep an eye on Espada as well as former Cubs bench coach Dave Martinez as the Astros and Nationals take center stage in the baseball world.